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Daj Mahal
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Posted - 2010.03.07 18:54:00 -
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There should be an option to flag people as scammers. It should make their chat names grey and then red over time based on the number of people flagging them to give fair warning to other players and reduce the effectiveness of scams. I understand the difference between scammers and good business is debatable, but I feel this would be a deterrent for many.
Thoughts?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.03.07 19:00:00 -
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enable your brain before clicking accept.
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Zachary Sikorsky
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Posted - 2010.03.07 23:37:00 -
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Well, that could be missused alot. If you make a lot of money out of scamming you probably would not like to stand out from the crowd by being red. Solution? Flag EVERYONE else as scammers. If you and your corpmates flag random people as scammers then you really can't be singled out anymore. And it would turn into a mechanic that tells you if someone has been in Jita.
And you really can't expect CCP to enforce a "unjust" scammer flag. And even if they did, what really is a scam is probably a personal experience. I mean if someone who haven't been playing for a year pops in and sell their T3 modules to a price they thought were resonable a year ago - they would probably be called a scammer today.
Although I would appeciate a working "Report Scammer", since Jita Local is a *****. I can't see how it is supposed to be done though. Reporting of isk sellers work because it's such a blatant breach of the EULA and that there is a hint that misuse will lead to ban. While begging, lies and deciet might be immoral (by some standards) - it's within the laws of the game.
Read before you click.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.08 02:01:00 -
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The only tool you need to prevent yourself from being scammed is the one between your ears. Scamming is a legitimate part of the game mechanics - there's no need to nerf it.
--Vel
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TechnoViking
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Posted - 2010.03.08 04:08:00 -
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Holy cr*p, I actually agree with Darius, for once!
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343guilty1
Gallente Strategic Insanity
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Posted - 2010.03.08 04:43:00 -
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Ya it's legit part of game unfortunately, which sucks for the real players (I ran lottos and was called a scammer before they figured anything out -.-) there would be no validity behind these reports
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 07:37:00 -
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Let me get this straight.. you want to come up with tools for anti-scamming because you feel everyone that plays eve is stupid and gullible?
Wow... mass global insult... good job. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 09:58:00 -
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Scams are legitimate and supported gameplay, and don't merit a "deterrant".
There is absolutely no need for anyone to be scammed ever. There are already all the tools in game that you need to avoid being scammed.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: FunzzeR on 08/03/2010 17:11:20 Best way to combat scamming is to follow the golden rules:
1. Do your due diligence 2. If its too good to be true it probably is 3. Trust no one
Not getting scammed is the player's own responsibility, not other players nor CCP...
Not supported PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.03.08 22:37:00 -
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i have never been scammed, that said I dont like scammers, yes its part of the game, but it is really annoying to sift through dozens of contracts and people talking in local when 90% of the contracts are scams.
honestly i hope the rules stay the same, but somthing is done to make it less profitable and likely to scam someone.. for the sake of local.
that said, i dont support the idea, as CCP would have to regulate it like the report isk seller button
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari Starbridge Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Abyss Wyrm on 09/03/2010 02:02:18 It won't work, and actualy it will do worse then now, as ppl will flag every person they dont like as a scammer, and scammers themself will simply flagg evryone they see to confuse everyone else.
Besides that, IMHO scamming itself isnt a problem, the amount of scamming in EVE now, and scammers spamming is the problem. Its about 1 year since i prefere to buy and self stuff in amarr, not an jita. All becuse there is almost none scammer spammers in amarr local, while jita local now is real trash.
Three solution. First, make links in chat unable to modify, so if you link raven contract, it will show raven contract, not an CNR contract. Or allow them to modify while typing, but nethertheless posted unmodified. For example, i create contract for raven, set the price to 400m ISK, link that contract to local channel, and then tried to modify it so it would say Raven Navy Issue instead of raven. But then i press 'enter' to post it, and will actualy post unmodified link of raven. Second solution is about same link in local, but about those who spamm the local about zydrin or mecacyte contracts. First of all same make contracts unable to modify, secon make links say amount in words, not in numbers, or at least mixed. For example again. I've create contract with 40k zydrin, and trying to sell it as 400k of zydrine. I linking that contract to local chanel, and suprusigly find that its said 'Forty thousand of zydrin' or '40 thousand of zydrin'. And if i'll try to modify it, at will post exact amout of the good i with to sell anyway.
Last thing is about direct trading. there is also contantly spamming in local about selling something via direct trade, because of DT's little defect, wich is used alot to get ISK from ppl. Its about changing amount of changing amout of offered ISK in last moment. DT now prevent to removing offered items from DT window, but it doent prevent to change the price. And fix is also very simple. Make the summ of ISK for DT 'locked' after first typing of it. So you if yo are actualy make a misstake in typing summ of ISK, you need to close current DT window, open new one, and then try again. Ist raher small irritation for those who using DT not for scamming, but it will almost kill DT-scamming iitself, as it is it will finaly make spamming in jita local about such scamming worthless.
Finaly, i dont belive scamming will be beating in EVE ever. But, it can be reduced to the point there only ppl who realy dedicated for scamming, who belived thats exactly thier playstyle, who is using thier own brain to make the scamming possible will continue to... ehm, doing what they do:) And that for good. My standing service is available now again, check this link. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Wyrm Edited by: Abyss Wyrm on 09/03/2010 02:02:18 It won't work, and actualy it will do worse then now, as ppl will flag every person they dont like as a scammer, and scammers themself will simply flagg evryone they see to confuse everyone else.
Besides that, IMHO scamming itself isnt a problem, the amount of scamming in EVE now, and scammers spamming is the problem. Its about 1 year since i prefere to buy and self stuff in amarr, not an jita. All becuse there is almost none scammer spammers in amarr local, while jita local now is real trash.
Three solution. First, make links in chat unable to modify, so if you link raven contract, it will show raven contract, not an CNR contract. Or allow them to modify while typing, but nethertheless posted unmodified. For example, i create contract for raven, set the price to 400m ISK, link that contract to local channel, and then tried to modify it so it would say Raven Navy Issue instead of raven. But then i press 'enter' to post it, and will actualy post unmodified link of raven. Second solution is about same link in local, but about those who spamm the local about zydrin or mecacyte contracts. First of all same make contracts unable to modify, secon make links say amount in words, not in numbers, or at least mixed. For example again. I've create contract with 40k zydrin, and trying to sell it as 400k of zydrine. I linking that contract to local chanel, and suprusigly find that its said 'Forty thousand of zydrin' or '40 thousand of zydrin'. And if i'll try to modify it, at will post exact amout of the good i with to sell anyway.
Last thing is about direct trading. there is also contantly spamming in local about selling something via direct trade, because of DT's little defect, wich is used alot to get ISK from ppl. Its about changing amount of changing amout of offered ISK in last moment. DT now prevent to removing offered items from DT window, but it doent prevent to change the price. And fix is also very simple. Make the summ of ISK for DT 'locked' after first typing of it. So you if yo are actualy make a misstake in typing summ of ISK, you need to close current DT window, open new one, and then try again. Ist raher small irritation for those who using DT not for scamming, but it will almost kill DT-scamming iitself, as it is it will finaly make spamming in jita local about such scamming worthless.
Finaly, i dont belive scamming will be beating in EVE ever. But, it can be reduced to the point there only ppl who realy dedicated for scamming, who belived thats exactly thier playstyle, who is using thier own brain to make the scamming possible will continue to... ehm, doing what they do:) And that for good.
The point is none of that is necessary if you:
A) Don't use direct trades except with people you know (and trust). If the seller can't take the time to post a contract, I really don't need what you're selling. B) Read everything twice - it's a wise move in real world contract dealings and it's doubly wise in Eve where there are no legal penalties for (in game) fraud and scamming.
If you're paying attention, and careful, you're not going to get scammed. --Vel
Forum Mom: Spanking the snot out of little brats. |
Zachary Sikorsky
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Posted - 2010.05.20 10:46:00 -
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One way of looking at is is that scamming is trade piracy, and we all like piracy as a part of the game - right?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Daj Mahal There should be an option to flag people as scammers. It should make their chat names grey and then red over time based on the number of people flagging them to give fair warning to other players and reduce the effectiveness of scams. I understand the difference between scammers and good business is debatable, but I feel this would be a deterrent for many.
Thoughts?
You're a scammer. There: now everyone knows, you scammer.
Daj Mahal is a SCAMMER! Daj Mahal is a SCAMMER! Daj Mahal is a SCAMMER!
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:44:00 -
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As long as there is no limit to the "ignored contract issuer" list, this isn't needed. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Lykouleon
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Posted - 2010.05.21 02:31:00 -
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Someone just bought a Stabber that he thought was a Stabber Fleet Issue?
Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:55:00 -
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I don't care about the scamming, but the spamming is as annoying as ****.
CCP where is your hard anti-macro stance when it comes to people in Jita repeating the same sentence every <x> seconds.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 21/05/2010 15:56:14 I wish people wouldn't necro old threads. It's embarrassing when I don't read the whole thing, reply to it, and then realize I already replied multiple times. --Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Musical Fist
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Daj Mahal There should be an option to flag people as scammers. It should make their chat names grey and then red over time based on the number of people flagging them to give fair warning to other players and reduce the effectiveness of scams. I understand the difference between scammers and good business is debatable, but I feel this would be a deterrent for many.
Thoughts?
/supported, I too would like scammers to turn into GMs
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