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Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.03.08 21:09:00 - [31] Originally by: XXcXX I give you ôA BLOB OF COWARDSö a fair description I think. Call them whatever you like, just remember they still have your stuff
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.03.08 21:44:00 - [32] Originally by: XXcXX If these players are not seen as genuine profit seeking pirates or are not seen as genuine pvp players defending sov space or seeking to expend their sov space, then what sort of label could we apply to them to quickly identify them. You don't need to hold sovereignty to be a pvper. Pvpers pvp for experience, fun, killmails as opposed to trying to profit from it. Random groups that fly through 0.0 looking for engagements for no other reasons than the above three are classed as pvpers. In fact the sov holding pvpers are somewhere in between true pirates and true pvpers because one of main goals of their pvp are political and financial gains albeit on group level (for their corp/ally) not individual level like for true pirates. Agony Unleashed - no blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:32:00 - [33] Pirates are roleplayers. They tend to wear dark eyeshadow, dress in all black, and wear black nail polish. Their clothing consist on black baggy pant with a chain hangin out their pocket, a black fishnet stockin shirt, and fake vampite teeth. They get beat up in school alot so they go home and wright dark poetry about misery and suffering. They drink v8 and pretend it's blood because they think they're vampires. If u see one on the street the most important thing to do is make fun of them and give them a wedgy. Now ppl who wardec carebear corps and camp station are hardcore. Nuff said.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:37:00 - [34] Originally by: The AEther pirate is somebody who engages in ship-on-ship violence with the ultimate goal of personal profit - thus you can pirate in highsec, lowsec, or 0.0, as long as you do it for money or some kind of personal gain Wrong, thats a mercenary. Pirates are in it for the violence and emoness, mercenaries do it for the cash. Don't mix us up with u emo pirates plz. Don't be mad, I'm richer then u anyway
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.08 22:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Real pirates didn't ransom people, but these teenagers who row out to a cruise ship or freighter with AK47's nowadays aren't arguing, because they don't understand english. You're right--they didn't really ransom. They usually boarded a ship, killed the crew, and took it over, abandoned it, or sunk it after they took everything out of it. You can't really board and take over a ship in EVE, so I guess that's why EVE pirates ransom instead. I guess if you kill ships specifically to loot them (ie: you know or expect that they have decent loot), then you'd be a pirate also--this would include suicide-gankers, since they do it for the money. People who kill ships "just because" or "just for the lulz" aren't pirates and to me are the lowest form of "PvPers". I have more respect for actual pirates doing bad things as a job than for psychopaths (I mean they effectively play psychopaths, not that they are IRL) who murder just for fun, in other words.
Owen Drakkar Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.03.09 00:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Someone who illegally copied EvE. Duh, stupid question.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.09 01:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Kyra Felann People who kill ships "just because" or "just for the lulz" aren't pirates and to me are the lowest form of "PvPers". I have more respect for actual pirates doing bad things as a job than for psychopaths (I mean they effectively play psychopaths, not that they are IRL) who murder just for fun, in other words. Couldn't agree more. It's like seeing a giant pirate galleon chasing a tiny fishing boat. Real pirates wouldn't have wasted their time with that silliness. Well, maybe if they were hungry. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
The Mute Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.03.09 03:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Kyra Felann People who kill ships "just because" or "just for the lulz" aren't pirates and to me are the lowest form of "PvPers". I have more respect for actual pirates doing bad things as a job than for psychopaths (I mean they effectively play psychopaths, not that they are IRL) who murder just for fun, in other words. Couldn't agree more. It's like seeing a giant pirate galleon chasing a tiny fishing boat. Real pirates wouldn't have wasted their time with that silliness. Well, maybe if they were hungry. Or if that fishing boat had an officer shield booster fitted. -------------------------------------------------- [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you wo
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.09 09:28:00 - [39] Originally by: The Mute Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Kyra Felann People who kill ships "just because" or "just for the lulz" aren't pirates and to me are the lowest form of "PvPers". I have more respect for actual pirates doing bad things as a job than for psychopaths (I mean they effectively play psychopaths, not that they are IRL) who murder just for fun, in other words. Couldn't agree more. It's like seeing a giant pirate galleon chasing a tiny fishing boat. Real pirates wouldn't have wasted their time with that silliness. Well, maybe if they were hungry. Or if that fishing boat had an officer shield booster fitted. Or a tech 2 blueprint in the cargohold. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
XXcXX	Posted - 2010.03.09 13:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Kroma BaSyl Originally by: XXcXX In asking the question above I was seeking to put a label onto the many blobs of 1,2,3 year old players some times 10 û 15 players in strength, who blew up my ship. Fixed it for you. Ha Ha you fail as i was one of them its the method they use to do there so called pvp I disagreed with so i left them. Fixed your fix troll lmao

Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.09 13:28:00 - [41] Originally by: XXcXX Originally by: Kroma BaSyl Originally by: XXcXX In asking the question above I was seeking to put a label onto the many blobs of 1,2,3 year old players some times 10 – 15 players in strength, who blew up my ship. Fixed it for you. Ha Ha you fail as i was one of them its the method they use to do there so called pvp I disagreed with so i left them. Fixed your fix troll lmao I think the label you're looking for is "having more fun than you." ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.09 13:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: The Mute Or if that fishing boat had an officer shield booster fitted. Or a tech 2 blueprint in the cargohold. Yes, i'm familiar with the fantasies of week old characters in shuttles potentially having cargoholds chock full of valuable skillbooks or BPOs, and the guy in a Rifter maybe fitting mods that are worth hundreds of millions of isk, but no one really believes that crap. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Salen Kane Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.09 16:16:00 - [43] A pirate is someone who is involved in piracy. There are some groupings of PvP in EVE, for various reasons. These are the ones I can think of on the top of my head: Piracy- to attack random targets with the goal to make a profit from the kill. Griefing- to attack random targets with the goal of reducing the attacked players fun. Mercenary- fighting targets dictated by a third party, in exchange for compensation from the third party. Territorial- attacking targets in order to remove them from a certain area (usually a system), or preventing them from removing you. Practice- attacking a target with the goal of improving your PvP skills. Thrills- attacking a target for fun. Random targets, here, means that the loyalty or nature of the target is not important, or less important, than the fact that they're availible. Ofcourse, its all the same to the victim, unless they're offered a randsom. Most PvPers engage in more than one type of PvP- pirates who randsom big ships might still pop shuttles, just about all PvP (except some territorial stuff, like POSbashing) has an element of thrill, griefing is a important element of territorial fights (denying the enemy the use of their territory and breaking their moral), and ofcourse mercenaries can find themselves doing several different kinds of PvP. And hell, everyone WANTS to make a profit from their kills, its just that some make less of an effort. In the end, I guess the point Im making is that my boss cant tell the difference of me writing reports noone will ever read, or posting on the EVE forums. Cry YARR and let loose the tears of noobs! Im just some nobody who trolls the forums during work. EVE- I love everything about it except actually playing it!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.09 17:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: The Mute Or if that fishing boat had an officer shield booster fitted. Or a tech 2 blueprint in the cargohold. Yes, i'm familiar with the fantasies of week old characters in shuttles potentially having cargoholds chock full of valuable skillbooks or BPOs, and the guy in a Rifter maybe fitting mods that are worth hundreds of millions of isk, but no one really believes that crap. Anywhere outside of 0.0, something like a shuttle or newbie ship is one of the safest ways to move small, high value cargo. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.09 18:51:00 - [45] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: The Mute Or if that fishing boat had an officer shield booster fitted. Or a tech 2 blueprint in the cargohold. Yes, i'm familiar with the fantasies of week old characters in shuttles potentially having cargoholds chock full of valuable skillbooks or BPOs, and the guy in a Rifter maybe fitting mods that are worth hundreds of millions of isk, but no one really believes that crap. Anywhere outside of 0.0, something like a shuttle or newbie ship is one of the safest ways to move small, high value cargo. Well that's because it's pretty much the safest way to travel in 0.0 period, and everyone does it with or without small high value cargo, making the simple fact they're in a shuttle indicate nothing. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.03.09 20:21:00 - [46] My "Pirate CODE": - Pirates are -10 or AT least an outlaw. Pirates are traditionally outlaws. I laugh at the idiots who think thier pirates and have positive sec status. - Prefer to keep thier gangs small - While not every situation can allow this, smaller gangs means a bigger cut overall. - Piracy is about profit! Always think about a ransom. Most of the time i just blow people away because its easier and you dont have to worry about back up arriving or getting disturbed. T2 ships are very worthwhile ransoming, and if the oppurtinity arises you should definatly try to ransom those. - Pirates are only loyal to people inside thier corp/alliance. Anything else is fair game. - Must have some degree of honour. Honour your ransoms and 1v1s. Your word is all you rly have as a pirate. Once its lost, its gone forever. IN MY OPINION: If you dont do anyone of those bulletins, then your not a pirate.
ATARI BABY Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.09 20:50:00 - [47] Edited by: ATARI BABY on 09/03/2010 20:50:12 sometimes im sending money who im killed because of their poor bio or poor employment history or their poor vision. but cant stop myself to blowing them up. generaly in eve i just need to blow someone. **ck ransom. never accepted from whining victims. so WHAT AM I???
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.09 20:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Trader20 Pirates are roleplayers. They tend to wear dark eyeshadow, dress in all black, and wear black nail polish. Their clothing consist on black baggy pant with a chain hangin out their pocket, a black fishnet stockin shirt, and fake vampite teeth. They get beat up in school alot so they go home and wright dark poetry about misery and suffering. They drink v8 and pretend it's blood because they think they're vampires. If u see one on the street the most important thing to do is make fun of them and give them a wedgy. Now ppl who wardec carebear corps and camp station are hardcore. Nuff said. You seem to have described Twilight fanatics quite well actually. Personal experience I presume? PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.09 21:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Well that's because it's pretty much the safest way to travel in 0.0 period, and everyone does it with or without small high value cargo, making the simple fact they're in a shuttle indicate nothing. You mean outside of 0.0. It's not a safe way to travel in 0.0 (thanks to bubbles). Anyway yeah, the vast majority of times a shuttle/rookie ship/tech 1 frigate traveling (anywhere) will not have anything of value on it. But ammo is one of the cheapest things in the game, right? ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.09 22:15:00 - [50] Im more of an EVE viking, which is why I only wear a horned helmet complete with fake blond pigtails when im playing. The only thing I havent figured out is how to keep by bare viking ass from sticking to the vinyl seat.

Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.09 22:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Reem Fairchild You mean outside of 0.0. It's not a safe way to travel in 0.0 (thanks to bubbles). Yeah, was still waking up when i wrote that. Originally by: Reem Fairchild the vast majority of times a shuttle/rookie ship/tech 1 frigate traveling (anywhere) will not have anything of value on it. But ammo is one of the cheapest things in the game, right? This is really the problem. Pirate targets aren't distinct, like you'd have with actual seafaring pirates, and there's no good reason for them not to blow up everything they can just to check. As long as people are honestly only looking to make isk it's fine by me, but i have met very few pirate profiteers in this game, and a slew of gank happy kids who just want to anger people. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Mutnin Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.03.09 23:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Kaaii "A pirate is someone who is not smart enough to be a carebear..." Does farming Russians in the Bleaklands count as carebearing? I only do it cause I care.
XXcXX	Posted - 2010.03.10 10:05:00 - [53] Edited by: XXcXX on 10/03/2010 10:16:43 Edited by: XXcXX on 10/03/2010 10:08:14 So after reading the posts in this thread it seems to me we have a new catagory in eve. PVP = player v player or pirate v player or player v pirate. PVE = Player v Enviroment or player v eve ( mission running plexing ect) The new catagory would be CVP Cowards v Players (consisting of none sov holding corps or alliances who rome around 0.0 ganking easy kills with blobs of 5 or more ships usualy tanking cruisers and may be 1 bait ship and a cover ops to check the way ahead for possible danger) CVP is not pirating or mercs just a bunch of players bending the games mechanics to anoy sov holding corps/alliances all in the name of fun or as some would call it grief for the sake of it. I can not condem such players after all it is 0.0 we are talking about here but what troubles me is how all of this is turning eve into little more than a shoot em up type game why don't we all just band togeather and go CVPing our selves why bother with all the messing about of putting up POS claiming sov and all of that when we can just as easy get our jollies CVPing. None of this is new I know this is why gate camps exisit but as i said this type of game play is now becomming more and more common where will it all end. has eve become a shoot em up?
TraininVain	Posted - 2010.03.10 11:10:00 - [54] To my mind what distinguishes piracy is that you're out to make ISK rather than pew pew. It can be difficult to assess intent but generally that's the distinction in my mind. A pirate will probably ransom you as opposed to popping you where given the choice.
Isilwen Nightfall Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.10 11:39:00 - [55] Edited by: Isilwen Nightfall on 10/03/2010 11:45:57 "Piracy" involves breaking official laws. You CANNOT break laws in nullsec, for there is none. Thus, you can only be a "pirate" in empire. Moreover, PvP activities are the norm, in null-sec. In an environment where killing people (for whatever reason there might be or even for no reason at all) is the norm, the term "piracy" loses its meaning and value. You can only be a "pirate" in an environment where the majority of people are involved in other activities that does not imply a NBSI policy. Otherwise, you're simply a standard PvPer.
Babel Ma'asei Merkabah Naraka.	Posted - 2010.03.10 11:56:00 - [56] Pirate = what you call someone who has p*ed you off if you're a Carebear [see below] Carebear = what you call someone who has p*ed you off if you're a Pirate [see above] . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.10 16:40:00 - [57] Originally by: TraininVain A pirate will probably ransom you as opposed to popping you where given the choice. I've been waiting patiently for someone to try and ransom me to myself, just so i can laugh, and laugh, and laugh. It's basically an elaborate begging method, to me anyway. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.03.10 18:54:00 - [58] Granted the definition of piracy includes "acts of violence towards others" I believe alot of the eve players that so preciously refer to themselves as pirates are infact pvp griefers. Simply popping ships does give with no doubt isk but a true pirate has but one aim. The consistent ship and pod ransoming with the occasional, although rare, ship confiscation due to ejection. The other true and this is important factor that determines a TRUE pirate is that they are independent I.e. Not involved with any group. I would go so far to say that the pirates in corps and alliances probably resemble more or less privateers. Those given rights to engage in piracy yet affiliated loosely with another group.
Demolishar G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.03.11 04:45:00 - [59] After killing you, a PvPer says "GF". After killing you, a Pirate says "HAHAHA U NOOB U SUCK GO BACK TO WOW"
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.03.11 05:23:00 - [60] Edited by: Stuart Price on 11/03/2010 05:24:22 There are two types of people in Eve. People I can shoot in lowsec without getting GCC. People I can't shoot in lowsec without getting GCC. Those are the only things that matter. Everything else is just semantics and e-peen. Call me what you want, I'm going to be trying to kill you regardless (unless it's an obvious TARP, you have tons of backup or are in a clearly superior position - at which point I will wonder if the criminal s****I share a corp chat with are going to be enough to make a difference). The only difference will be whether I have to spend 15 minutes (or more, often more) being shot by sentry guns or not. You can justify methods and actions all you want, you're still getting shot. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'



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