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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:27:00 -
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Been pondering if a scorpion would do. Lots of hardners and some tech 2 pdu in the lows. Siege and maybe some guns or nosf + drones.
But is the damage output enough? Anyone tried. -------------------------
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:27:00 -
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Been pondering if a scorpion would do. Lots of hardners and some tech 2 pdu in the lows. Siege and maybe some guns or nosf + drones.
But is the damage output enough? Anyone tried. -------------------------
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Drachir
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:56:00 -
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I tried a serpentis deadspace mission on sisi a couple of weeks ago with 4 siege and cruise but it took far too long. Damage output simply wasn't high enough. And this is with cruise missiles 5.
Although, you might have more luck with torps, but I haven't tried them.
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Drachir
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:56:00 -
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I tried a serpentis deadspace mission on sisi a couple of weeks ago with 4 siege and cruise but it took far too long. Damage output simply wasn't high enough. And this is with cruise missiles 5.
Although, you might have more luck with torps, but I haven't tried them.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Drachir I tried a serpentis deadspace mission on sisi a couple of weeks ago with 4 siege and cruise but it took far too long. Damage output simply wasn't high enough. And this is with cruise missiles 5.
Although, you might have more luck with torps, but I haven't tried them.
That is what I was thinking would be the problem. The damage it can dish out would be too small. Torpedos might work better tough. Cruise for frigates/cruisers and torpedos for the battleships.
As a tank the scorpion should be awesome. -------------------------
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Drachir I tried a serpentis deadspace mission on sisi a couple of weeks ago with 4 siege and cruise but it took far too long. Damage output simply wasn't high enough. And this is with cruise missiles 5.
Although, you might have more luck with torps, but I haven't tried them.
That is what I was thinking would be the problem. The damage it can dish out would be too small. Torpedos might work better tough. Cruise for frigates/cruisers and torpedos for the battleships.
As a tank the scorpion should be awesome. -------------------------
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Arbitos
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Posted - 2004.11.28 19:51:00 -
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You may be able to survive them, but if you get the 1 mill Scorpion BS, maybe not finish them, they have unreal hardners on their Shelds!! I have Torp lvl 4 and a Dread Guristas Ballistic Control and firing from 6 seiges(Raven) takes ages and ages to get thru sheilds. (Think its about 160dmg done!!per Torp) once his sheild has gone his Armour and Structure are gone in a few seconds. You would never ever get thru that sheild with 4 seiges with cruises, I suspect maybe not 4 torps with his recharge as well.
Regards
Arbs
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Arbitos
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Posted - 2004.11.28 19:51:00 -
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You may be able to survive them, but if you get the 1 mill Scorpion BS, maybe not finish them, they have unreal hardners on their Shelds!! I have Torp lvl 4 and a Dread Guristas Ballistic Control and firing from 6 seiges(Raven) takes ages and ages to get thru sheilds. (Think its about 160dmg done!!per Torp) once his sheild has gone his Armour and Structure are gone in a few seconds. You would never ever get thru that sheild with 4 seiges with cruises, I suspect maybe not 4 torps with his recharge as well.
Regards
Arbs
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2004.11.28 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 28/11/2004 20:44:13 A couple of my friends are doing level 4 missions alone in scorpions and are doing fine (or so they tell me).
EDIT: That's Caldari missions btw. ---------------- What's a rumor on page one is a fact on page two |
Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2004.11.28 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 28/11/2004 20:44:13 A couple of my friends are doing level 4 missions alone in scorpions and are doing fine (or so they tell me).
EDIT: That's Caldari missions btw. ---------------- What's a rumor on page one is a fact on page two |
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 28/11/2004 20:44:13 A couple of my friends are doing level 4 missions alone in scorpions and are doing fine (or so they tell me).
EDIT: That's Caldari missions btw.
I went out and bought a Raven. On my first mission I had to kill a Core Commodore. Too bad I only had Wraths with me. He took damn ages. I think you can do this in a Scorpoion but you need high skills and switching between torpedos and cruiser depending on the target.
If my Raven blows up I'll reinvest in a Scorpion and give that a go. -------------------------
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.28 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 28/11/2004 20:44:13 A couple of my friends are doing level 4 missions alone in scorpions and are doing fine (or so they tell me).
EDIT: That's Caldari missions btw.
I went out and bought a Raven. On my first mission I had to kill a Core Commodore. Too bad I only had Wraths with me. He took damn ages. I think you can do this in a Scorpoion but you need high skills and switching between torpedos and cruiser depending on the target.
If my Raven blows up I'll reinvest in a Scorpion and give that a go. -------------------------
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IIIQIII
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:31:00 -
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i got 4 apocs at lvl4 missions.. so maybe you get lucky... but i wouldt try with a scorp :)
or use WCS to get out :D
---------------------------------------------- I... watch over humanity as it's ignorance and stupidity amuse me...
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IIIQIII
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Posted - 2004.11.29 00:31:00 -
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i got 4 apocs at lvl4 missions.. so maybe you get lucky... but i wouldt try with a scorp :)
or use WCS to get out :D
---------------------------------------------- I... watch over humanity as it's ignorance and stupidity amuse me...
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:19:00 -
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In actual fact, even torps hit the interceptors fairly fast. If doing these missions alone, i strongly suggest takin down all those frigs asap, then start on the cruisers. if it is a tough spawn u may need a warp out, which is a damn lot easier when you dont have 12 inties flyin around webbin/scrambling you. Just tank, and get a minimum of 70% resist on the npc damage type. Also cap booster 800's have saved my life a few times now doin these lev4's, especially when faced with 3 1mil bounty domi's, 12 cruisers, and 13 inties, need to run the cap booster on auto-repeat with nossies, to run a XL c5l shield booster non-stop
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2004.11.29 02:19:00 -
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In actual fact, even torps hit the interceptors fairly fast. If doing these missions alone, i strongly suggest takin down all those frigs asap, then start on the cruisers. if it is a tough spawn u may need a warp out, which is a damn lot easier when you dont have 12 inties flyin around webbin/scrambling you. Just tank, and get a minimum of 70% resist on the npc damage type. Also cap booster 800's have saved my life a few times now doin these lev4's, especially when faced with 3 1mil bounty domi's, 12 cruisers, and 13 inties, need to run the cap booster on auto-repeat with nossies, to run a XL c5l shield booster non-stop
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:01:00 -
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id say you could handle most missions so long as you know when to run and take a mixed ammo setup, ideally you need some guy in a raven just for the extra damage, you tank damage and spam torps the raven just pounds and repairs when it need too!. That tatic worked for us on the mordus mission, really expected that 5mil commander to be a bit harder tho screenie
Death to the Galante |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:01:00 -
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id say you could handle most missions so long as you know when to run and take a mixed ammo setup, ideally you need some guy in a raven just for the extra damage, you tank damage and spam torps the raven just pounds and repairs when it need too!. That tatic worked for us on the mordus mission, really expected that 5mil commander to be a bit harder tho screenie
Death to the Galante |
Amin
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:34:00 -
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A well tanked Scorp could to most lvl4 missions solo except for maybe the ones have have battleship sized rats of 1.25mil bounty or higher. With only 4 launchers it may take awhile to get through the npc's shield/armour boosting.
Btw Jim Steele did the 5mil Mordu drop anything good? :)
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:34:00 -
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A well tanked Scorp could to most lvl4 missions solo except for maybe the ones have have battleship sized rats of 1.25mil bounty or higher. With only 4 launchers it may take awhile to get through the npc's shield/armour boosting.
Btw Jim Steele did the 5mil Mordu drop anything good? :)
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:36:00 -
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arbitos use kinetic torpedos/missles this ship have crapy resistance to kinetic on shields
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:36:00 -
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arbitos use kinetic torpedos/missles this ship have crapy resistance to kinetic on shields
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:43:00 -
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A Scorp could easily withstand a massive amount of damage if tanked right, but yes, there is a Damage output problem.
When trying to kill 20 cruisers, 10-15 frigates and 1+ battleships, 4 launchers just takes way too long.
I've killed a 5 mill BS in a Scorp, but needed drones to help get past his tank.
I think that a Scorpion would be a good ship for the Agent runner to be in, warp in first and have buddies warp in after.
You might not be able to do as much damage, but you can be the "meat shield" that the NPC's shoot at while your buddies go to work.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.29 11:43:00 -
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A Scorp could easily withstand a massive amount of damage if tanked right, but yes, there is a Damage output problem.
When trying to kill 20 cruisers, 10-15 frigates and 1+ battleships, 4 launchers just takes way too long.
I've killed a 5 mill BS in a Scorp, but needed drones to help get past his tank.
I think that a Scorpion would be a good ship for the Agent runner to be in, warp in first and have buddies warp in after.
You might not be able to do as much damage, but you can be the "meat shield" that the NPC's shoot at while your buddies go to work.
www.hadean.org
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amin Btw Jim Steele did the 5mil Mordu drop anything good?
droped a large 'vehemence' smartbomb and a named armour hardener (50% kinetic or thermal) as well as the usual 10mn mwd
I think there was other stuff like a L hybrid turret and a L shield booster but the SB and armour hardner were the only half decent things.
Death to the Galante |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amin Btw Jim Steele did the 5mil Mordu drop anything good?
droped a large 'vehemence' smartbomb and a named armour hardener (50% kinetic or thermal) as well as the usual 10mn mwd
I think there was other stuff like a L hybrid turret and a L shield booster but the SB and armour hardner were the only half decent things.
Death to the Galante |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:41:00 -
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"I think that a Scorpion would be a good ship for the Agent runner to be in, warp in first and have buddies warp in after.
You might not be able to do as much damage, but you can be the "meat shield" that the NPC's shoot at while your buddies go to work."
Was thinking the same thing... taken to extreme, you could have stacked 4 primary, 3 secondary shield hardeners with whatever fits best in the final slot, and have the other ships use shield transfer arrays on you, to keep the tank up. (well as long as the bumping all over the place gets fixed, anyway)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:41:00 -
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"I think that a Scorpion would be a good ship for the Agent runner to be in, warp in first and have buddies warp in after.
You might not be able to do as much damage, but you can be the "meat shield" that the NPC's shoot at while your buddies go to work."
Was thinking the same thing... taken to extreme, you could have stacked 4 primary, 3 secondary shield hardeners with whatever fits best in the final slot, and have the other ships use shield transfer arrays on you, to keep the tank up. (well as long as the bumping all over the place gets fixed, anyway)
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:03:00 -
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No hardners Jim?
I bet 4x Cap Recharger 2 + PDU 2 in low allow you to tank for quite a bit, but with low reistance does it not hurt badly? -------------------------
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:03:00 -
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No hardners Jim?
I bet 4x Cap Recharger 2 + PDU 2 in low allow you to tank for quite a bit, but with low reistance does it not hurt badly? -------------------------
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