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Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:18:00 -
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mxzf wrote: Second, not knowing that flagships weren't allowed in prelims isn't that surprising. IIRC they haven't broadcast prelims yet, so it's not surprising that the commentators don't have every rule minimized. Seeing a Bhal on field and guessing that it might be the flagship isn't a bad guess, especially when about 4/5 of the flagships seem to be Bhals. However, once he was notified that he was wrong, he corrected himself. Commentators aren't perfect, everyone makes mistakes at times.
You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
1864
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:26:00 -
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Ben Booley wrote:You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules.
Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be. |
Krukk Vuld
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:45:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.
I'd have gotten a clearer version of commentary if MB3 wasn't constantly adding something when the other commentator starts talking. |
Ben Booley
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:53:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Ben Booley wrote:You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules. Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.
Knowing what ships can be fielded when is a pretty general idea of the rules. |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
229
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:59:00 -
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I would encourage any player who would like to give commentating a shot to do so. There are several groups running alternative commentary, and several people doing their own commentary of matches that are up on youtube. There are many excellent tools to do a simultaneous broadcast, either thru own3d.tv or thru a shoutcast style radio stream. The more the community is involved the better the overall tournament will be for all involved. If people are interested in the details for setting it up, feel free to eve-mail me and I can help you get everything you need working.
As for my performance on Sunday, I was similarly displeased with my cast, although I might not have used some of the harsher terms that some have used in this thread. The cast from home was significantly more difficult than I had predicted, I had several technical difficulties, and all of my practice for the tournament and experience from other games involved me casting with my co-casters next to me and someone else operating the camera. For a more detailed description, I would point people to my post on the AT forum, which I will shamelessly C&P here for your convenience:
Quote:The viewer has the advantage of being able to see all the wonderful new effects and team sorting on the stream interface thanks to the great work from the guys at the EVETV production team, CCP Veritas, and The AT team.
The commentators have the client and delayed version of the stream that is about 5 seconds behind. I also found that for some reason my stream was even further behind than this, like 20 seconds or something, likely due to my computer being made of wood. With only the client available, I was pretty flustered as I had practiced to cast from the overlay and during last years commentary I had never used the caster client computer. Other than that I had a match where I lost all my locks save for 2, and that wasn't fun at all.
I've gone over the videos of my cast for today and I have a list of things that I need to work on. I recognize that today wasn't exactly an all-star performance, but I hope that people will be a little patient with us. Aside from kil2, none of us have ever cast from home or cast these 6 man teams, so we are still getting comfortable.
In the past, if a caster has proved to be consistently less skilled than expected, they are benched from commentary during at least the finals weekend and only utilized in the "couch" segments. I hope that this does not happen to myself or any of the other commentators, but we all want to see the tournament be the best possible production it can be.
We are still getting the hang of this home casting setup and the feel of the 6-man matches. Also, we are using the qualifiers as a good opportunity to test out the proper ratio of color vs commentary, and how polarized each of the commentators should be in their specialties. I hope that we can provide the viewers with the best show possible as we all get back into tournament mode, but if you have ~constructive~ criticism for us I am fairly certain that all of us would appreciate it. |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:06:00 -
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Snake O'Connor wrote:So it is ok to talk out of your ass as long as it's well articulated?
Sweet. Next year we should have celebrity guest commentators like Barak Obama and Mitt Romney, since the only thing that matter is how well you can speak, not what you actually say. Honestly though, I think that comment is unfair to the politicians, because at least they do some minimal amount of research before they speak which is a lot more than I can say for MB3.
Obama commentary for ATXi, would probably be a good thing. I am not saying bolton is a commentator I pay attention to, but the aforementioned gal did make the other commentators seem alot better. For the comment of giving commentary a shot, I fully intend to. I applied and got interviewed this year, but a brain short I had threw me off in begining, I think cost me alot. Next year I will re-apply, and be even better!
Constructive commentary for bolton, Just try to inject more energy into your commentary! The only real complaint I ever have and hear most often on the forums is that when the match gets going, You fall into a sort of single tone sometimes.
ENERGY MAN, GET PSYCHED ABOUT THE FIGHT!
Clear any preconceived notions about who wins and always be on preparation for that unusual turn of events or imagine it. Even if it doesn't happen, having that adrenalin prepped up expecting some interesting fight will show to the audience. |
Shirazz
Kingpins
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:45:00 -
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supporting |
Davey Dent
Task Force Zener
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Posted - 2012.07.02 23:18:00 -
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Got to agree.
I know commentators can make mistakes and we can forgive that, but this guy does not have a clue, get rid of him! |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.07.03 00:05:00 -
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Supported if MB3's performance next weekend is as bad as the first. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:06:00 -
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yo next weekend is going to own. The commentary team worked out the kinks on this first weekend, and now we're IN THE ZONE. If the tournament is a pretty lady we're going to be running a train on her this weekend |
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
13
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:18:00 -
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Just posting to say that Gorion Wassenar should have totally been picked instead.
Entertaining color commentary combined with in-depth knowledge of the game and a willingness to make bold and informed predictions? Yes please.
I don't mean to begrudge MB3 or any other commentators, but you're getting an opportunity a lot of us would kill for - don't halfass it or try to be cute. Be professional, be knowledgable, and -occaisionally- lighten the mood, IMO. |
Amantus
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
40
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:01:00 -
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ry ry wrote:MBOLT 3:
I know you're reading this.
Collectively fearless(dot) have found themselves in a pickle. We've spent our entire AT fund already and can't afford spaceships for the second weekend. For 10 billion isk i can guarantee Fearless(dot)'s unflinching support of your quirky commentary, including the editing of posts in this thread which may previously have contained negative sentiment, to appropriately reflect the amount of goodwill such a gift would inspire.
A meagre sum to help secure your holiday to Iceland.
Think about it meight. isk to 'ry ry'
please send my 50% to "amantus" |
ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:00:00 -
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Find your own gay magician to extort, scab.
Mbolton 3rd --- Whilst i enjoyed the hubris of your response ("if you think you can do better, why don't you **** off and do your own commentary, nerds?") you have not outlined which areas of your commentary you felt were lacking and were working on.
If you could briefly list what you felt were your major failings then we can point out any you've missed.
xxx |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:32:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote::words:
never not (no) MB3s CAUTION
SNIGGS |
Anna Katarr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:44:00 -
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i like mb3, i dont care if he doesnt know ****, i like his humor... same goes for zastrow...
i enjoy that they both mix things up...
as much as i appreciate raivi and his knowledge, a constant 'straight face fact casting' would get boring within 2 matches...
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ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:56:00 -
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Anna Katarr wrote:i like mb3, i dont care if he doesnt know ****, i like his humor... same goes for zastrow...
i enjoy that they both mix things up...
as much as i appreciate raivi and his knowledge, a constant 'straight face fact casting' would get boring within 2 matches...
Shut it, Bolton. |
Anna Katarr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:05:00 -
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hi, i am now mb3's alt!
send me a grand total of 50billion isk and i will resign from my current position as atx caster, true story! also i want delve... and... puppys... puppys are lovely! |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:29:00 -
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Anna Katarr wrote:also i want delve... and... puppys... puppys are lovely! what a delightful thought you dear sweet fragile little thing The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:30:00 -
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Anna Katarr wrote:hi, i am now mb3's alt!
send me a grand total of 50billion isk and i will resign from my current position as atx caster, true story! also i want delve... and... puppys... puppys are lovely! Reported. Impersonating a member of the commentary team.
Chin up m8, I've also reported michel boltonIII for the same thing. |
Anna Katarr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:40:00 -
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ry ry wrote:Anna Katarr wrote:hi, i am now mb3's alt!
send me a grand total of 50billion isk and i will resign from my current position as atx caster, true story! also i want delve... and... puppys... puppys are lovely! Reported. Impersonating a member of the commentary team. Chin up m8, I've also reported michel boltonIII for the same thing.
butbutbut.... i was just trying to satisfy you :( so... no puppys for me then hu? |
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
181
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:01:00 -
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let me tell you about satisfying ry ry
it ain't got much to do with puppies m8 The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
60
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:10:00 -
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ry ry wrote:Anna Katarr wrote:hi, i am now mb3's alt!
send me a grand total of 50billion isk and i will resign from my current position as atx caster, true story! also i want delve... and... puppys... puppys are lovely! Reported. Impersonating a member of the commentary team. Chin up m8, I've also reported michel boltonIII for the same thing.
ROFL, at the last part +1
Yup, I support the OP's proposal. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
274
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:32:00 -
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Being a few seconds behind what is happening, and misspeaking sometimes would be one thing. How ever MBIII, it is painfully obvious that you have no clue how the game works at this scale. Your lack of experience and insight is what makes the terrible personality and mistakes that much more obvious. |
StevieTopSiders
Evolution The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:43:00 -
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Supporting Obama. |
Chuxup
Born-2-Kill
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Posted - 2012.07.03 19:38:00 -
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I didn't know who this guy was until I started watching the tournament this year. I love EVE online and think the tournament is one of the coolest events in any game I've ever played but I have to say this. MichealboltonIII is making the whole thing unwatchable for me.
As a reporter or commentator one of the first rules is to not insert yourself into the story you are covrering. The story is not about you. Know one cares about who you are or what you think about unrelated topics. You have the opportunity of a lifetime to commentate in this event and make it enjoyable for everyone. You are completely throwing it away and making a total ass out of yourself.
Here are some very very basic things you could have done to prepare that you obviously overlooked because you are more concerned about your stupid image than being good at the job you were given:
Research the teams. See what setups they had in previous tourneys. Are the same players back?
Know how to identify modules, weapons, drones, tanks visually on ships before they take damage. We know something is armor tanked when it shields get one shot. Try giving more insight that the viewer doesn't already have.
Stop cheering for people. Stop making a big deal when a ship pops. You act like a little fanboy who is watching his first kill in eve. Act like you've seen it before.
Pay attention to the stream. You spend too much time talking about yourself and unrelated crap and let details slip through the cracks that are obvious to the viewer. If I know more about what's going on in the fight than the commentator there is something wrong.
You seem very concerned with what people think of you and your stupid image. If you want people to respect you try doing your homework and come to the next round of matches with some insight. Your performance thus far has been pathetic and I feel bad for everyone at CCP and all the alliances making this happen when you come in and make a mockery of the whole event.
-Chuxup
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Duckslayer
Idol Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 21:30:00 -
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bolton is terrible. he gives me the ear cancer |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
65
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Posted - 2012.07.04 04:05:00 -
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Supported. I agree with everything chuxup said. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1440
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:33:00 -
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Not a single monocle in this thread. All opinions irrelevant.
MB3, king of my heart.
**** that, unrequited love. DOWN WITH MB3. Him and his silky smooth commentary can **** right off. You don't know.|||You REALLY don't know.|||See you drivin round town |
Orar Ironfist
Veto. Veto Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:21:00 -
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Chuxup wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until I started watching the tournament this year. I love EVE online and think the tournament is one of the coolest events in any game I've ever played but I have to say this. MichealboltonIII is making the whole thing unwatchable for me.
As a reporter or commentator one of the first rules is to not insert yourself into the story you are covrering. The story is not about you. Know one cares about who you are or what you think about unrelated topics. You have the opportunity of a lifetime to commentate in this event and make it enjoyable for everyone. You are completely throwing it away and making a total ass out of yourself.
Here are some very very basic things you could have done to prepare that you obviously overlooked because you are more concerned about your stupid image than being good at the job you were given:
Research the teams. See what setups they had in previous tourneys. Are the same players back?
Know how to identify modules, weapons, drones, tanks visually on ships before they take damage. We know something is armor tanked when it shields get one shot. Try giving more insight that the viewer doesn't already have.
Stop cheering for people. Stop making a big deal when a ship pops. You act like a little fanboy who is watching his first kill in eve. Act like you've seen it before.
Pay attention to the stream. You spend too much time talking about yourself and unrelated crap and let details slip through the cracks that are obvious to the viewer. If I know more about what's going on in the fight than the commentator there is something wrong.
You seem very concerned with what people think of you and your stupid image. If you want people to respect you try doing your homework and come to the next round of matches with some insight. Your performance thus far has been pathetic and I feel bad for everyone at CCP and all the alliances making this happen when you come in and make a mockery of the whole event.
-Chuxup
This. 1000 times this. Especially the bolded parts. |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal Ushra'Khan
24
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:41:00 -
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MB3 has been forgiven by me...for now. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
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