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Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.11.29 01:54:00 - [1] 2 days ago, i can remember watching (and participating) in lvl 4 kill missions that needed several people in battleship and support, working togetherm and barely being able to do them. now today i watched a friend from that gang doing many lvl4 kill missions solo, without so much as a problem? did you nerf this misisons because some ubercarebears cried to loud they were not able to do them alone? i mean, the whole point about lvl 4 agent has been the circumstance they require TEAMwork.... if my friends spawn have been the normal mission output (and considering the number of missions he did, it seemed that way) lvl 4 missions are way to easy now.. with them being this easy, it would only be logical to nerf their loot to basic stuff only and remove bounty from the targets.. allthough id prefer to make them harder again! there, you done it... now im crying nerf to the nerf omg ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.11.29 01:54:00 - [2] 2 days ago, i can remember watching (and participating) in lvl 4 kill missions that needed several people in battleship and support, working togetherm and barely being able to do them. now today i watched a friend from that gang doing many lvl4 kill missions solo, without so much as a problem? did you nerf this misisons because some ubercarebears cried to loud they were not able to do them alone? i mean, the whole point about lvl 4 agent has been the circumstance they require TEAMwork.... if my friends spawn have been the normal mission output (and considering the number of missions he did, it seemed that way) lvl 4 missions are way to easy now.. with them being this easy, it would only be logical to nerf their loot to basic stuff only and remove bounty from the targets.. allthough id prefer to make them harder again! there, you done it... now im crying nerf to the nerf omg ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
ockackies	Posted - 2004.11.29 09:14:00 - [3] I dont think that the difficulty has been nerfed, what has happend is ppl have lernt how todo the missions, there is a set of new tricks needed to complete them, and certain ships are better suited then others.
ockackies	Posted - 2004.11.29 09:14:00 - [4] I dont think that the difficulty has been nerfed, what has happend is ppl have lernt how todo the missions, there is a set of new tricks needed to complete them, and certain ships are better suited then others.
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.11.29 09:51:00 - [5] Quote: did you nerf this misisons because some ubercarebears cried to loud they were not able to do them alone? i mean, the whole point about lvl 4 agent has been the circumstance they require TEAMwork.... I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if they were meant to be done in a team, that decision was wrong... at the moment there's a way too steep step up from level 3 difficulty missions. As posted numerous times on this forum, it racks up like lvl 1: frig lvl 2: frig /cruiser lvl 3: cruiser / battlecruiser lvl 4: multiple battleships I, and many others, are missing the lvl 3.5 difficulty, which should be doable solo. Not easy (requiring a bs and good skills as well as, uhm, tactics) but not so hard as lvl 4 missions currently are. In the light of this I wouldn't be very surprised to see CCP lowering the level 4 mission difficulty. Cheers, von Steinroehder IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.11.29 09:51:00 - [6] Quote: did you nerf this misisons because some ubercarebears cried to loud they were not able to do them alone? i mean, the whole point about lvl 4 agent has been the circumstance they require TEAMwork.... I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if they were meant to be done in a team, that decision was wrong... at the moment there's a way too steep step up from level 3 difficulty missions. As posted numerous times on this forum, it racks up like lvl 1: frig lvl 2: frig /cruiser lvl 3: cruiser / battlecruiser lvl 4: multiple battleships I, and many others, are missing the lvl 3.5 difficulty, which should be doable solo. Not easy (requiring a bs and good skills as well as, uhm, tactics) but not so hard as lvl 4 missions currently are. In the light of this I wouldn't be very surprised to see CCP lowering the level 4 mission difficulty. Cheers, von Steinroehder IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
MajorGeneral Ponsonby	Posted - 2004.11.29 10:52:00 - [7] What do you mean 'nerf the loot'? How could it possibly be worse? Those 1m bs drop only 20% of the time a can and whats in there? One cargo scanner, and maybe a worthless dogtag. It sucks! Its not fun.
MajorGeneral Ponsonby	Posted - 2004.11.29 10:52:00 - [8] What do you mean 'nerf the loot'? How could it possibly be worse? Those 1m bs drop only 20% of the time a can and whats in there? One cargo scanner, and maybe a worthless dogtag. It sucks! Its not fun.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.11.29 10:54:00 - [9] Originally by: von Steinroehder I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if they were meant to be done in a team, that decision was wrong... at the moment there's a way too steep step up from level 3 difficulty missions. As posted numerous times on this forum, it racks up like lvl 1: frig lvl 2: frig /cruiser lvl 3: cruiser / battlecruiser lvl 4: multiple battleships I, and many others, are missing the lvl 3.5 difficulty, which should be doable solo. Not easy (requiring a bs and good skills as well as, uhm, tactics) but not so hard as lvl 4 missions currently are. In the light of this I wouldn't be very surprised to see CCP lowering the level 4 mission difficulty. Cheers, von Steinroehder IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ Lowering Lvl 4's is the worst idea in the world ever, they offer excitement that i have been missing in eve. If anything they should increase level 3 difficulty slightly to accomodate people who feel the transition between 3 and 4 is too high! The only thing wrong with them imho is the rewards from agents and its vertually impossible to get the bonus reward, had a mordus mission last night and the bonust time was 45 minutes, took me and a mate a good couple of hours to crank through them and two of the bses didnt leave containers, was most annoyed with that. Got some nice named loot from the commander but still wasnt anything special, 5mil bounty tho Check it out Linkage Death to the Galante
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.11.29 10:54:00 - [10] Originally by: von Steinroehder I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if they were meant to be done in a team, that decision was wrong... at the moment there's a way too steep step up from level 3 difficulty missions. As posted numerous times on this forum, it racks up like lvl 1: frig lvl 2: frig /cruiser lvl 3: cruiser / battlecruiser lvl 4: multiple battleships I, and many others, are missing the lvl 3.5 difficulty, which should be doable solo. Not easy (requiring a bs and good skills as well as, uhm, tactics) but not so hard as lvl 4 missions currently are. In the light of this I wouldn't be very surprised to see CCP lowering the level 4 mission difficulty. Cheers, von Steinroehder IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ Lowering Lvl 4's is the worst idea in the world ever, they offer excitement that i have been missing in eve. If anything they should increase level 3 difficulty slightly to accomodate people who feel the transition between 3 and 4 is too high! The only thing wrong with them imho is the rewards from agents and its vertually impossible to get the bonus reward, had a mordus mission last night and the bonust time was 45 minutes, took me and a mate a good couple of hours to crank through them and two of the bses didnt leave containers, was most annoyed with that. Got some nice named loot from the commander but still wasnt anything special, 5mil bounty tho Check it out Linkage Death to the Galante
Tar om	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:05:00 - [11] Did a level 4 mission last night that had three waves and the last one included 4 Caldari Navy scorpions. We had two ravens and my Tempest on the job, and in the last two waves a raven had to warp out with its shield in tatters. The mission ships totally ignored my Tempest, so its getting more realistic too! Glad we didn't solo that one... -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Tar om	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:05:00 - [12] Did a level 4 mission last night that had three waves and the last one included 4 Caldari Navy scorpions. We had two ravens and my Tempest on the job, and in the last two waves a raven had to warp out with its shield in tatters. The mission ships totally ignored my Tempest, so its getting more realistic too! Glad we didn't solo that one... -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Tar om Did a level 4 mission last night that had three waves and the last one included 4 Caldari Navy scorpions. We had two ravens and my Tempest on the job, and in the last two waves a raven had to warp out with its shield in tatters. The mission ships totally ignored my Tempest, so its getting more realistic too! Glad we didn't solo that one... lol _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Tar om Did a level 4 mission last night that had three waves and the last one included 4 Caldari Navy scorpions. We had two ravens and my Tempest on the job, and in the last two waves a raven had to warp out with its shield in tatters. The mission ships totally ignored my Tempest, so its getting more realistic too! Glad we didn't solo that one... lol _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Amin	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:20:00 - [15] Not sure if they have been nerfed but it may have something to do with the lack of deadspace missions now. They seemed to be more difficult then the non-deadspace ones. Having said that, as expected people are adapting to lvl4 missions now, after the initial "OMG THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE" presumptuous reactions. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amin	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:20:00 - [16] Not sure if they have been nerfed but it may have something to do with the lack of deadspace missions now. They seemed to be more difficult then the non-deadspace ones. Having said that, as expected people are adapting to lvl4 missions now, after the initial "OMG THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE" presumptuous reactions. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:20:00 - [17] I wasn't for lowering level 4 difficulty, but for raising level 3... or implementing level 5 and lowering level 4.
von Steinroehder	Posted - 2004.11.29 11:20:00 - [18] I wasn't for lowering level 4 difficulty, but for raising level 3... or implementing level 5 and lowering level 4.
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.11.29 12:01:00 - [19] is no neeed to nerf the level 4 missions just fix them. they are buggier than beta was. it is pretty messed up when ur mate is in there and u warp to him only to land in the middle of the rats but yet the guy u warped to is 200km away.
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.11.29 12:01:00 - [20] is no neeed to nerf the level 4 missions just fix them. they are buggier than beta was. it is pretty messed up when ur mate is in there and u warp to him only to land in the middle of the rats but yet the guy u warped to is 200km away.
mOULf	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:03:00 - [21] Originally by: ockackies I dont think that the difficulty has been nerfed, what has happend is ppl have lernt how todo the missions, there is a set of new tricks needed to complete them, and certain ships are better suited then others. agreed. There are tricks
mOULf	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:03:00 - [22] Originally by: ockackies I dont think that the difficulty has been nerfed, what has happend is ppl have lernt how todo the missions, there is a set of new tricks needed to complete them, and certain ships are better suited then others. agreed. There are tricks
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:08:00 - [23] i have no problem with the crap loot of agent missions as imo it is unfair towards 0.0 npc hunters allready! still i'm pretty sure they allready nerfed lvl4 difficulty as 1. i didn't get any deadspace mission in 2 days now! 2. 8 out of 10 are soloable now (more or less easily) 3. mordus mission only has 3 waves now it's nice but tbh i enjoyed the teamwork and danger in running missions!
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2004.11.29 16:08:00 - [24] i have no problem with the crap loot of agent missions as imo it is unfair towards 0.0 npc hunters allready! still i'm pretty sure they allready nerfed lvl4 difficulty as 1. i didn't get any deadspace mission in 2 days now! 2. 8 out of 10 are soloable now (more or less easily) 3. mordus mission only has 3 waves now it's nice but tbh i enjoyed the teamwork and danger in running missions!

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