Shivarie
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Posted - 2010.03.17 04:50:00 -
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 Originally by: SencneS
The floor would be how much the mod is worth in salvage which has gone though a reduction in price as all the cheaper Meta4 mods have been reprocessed. (A)
The mod price was naturally end up about the price of which reprocessing it into salvage is worth. That could be more then the point in which it's profitable to invent with. High volume could mean high price, it all depends on how much salvage they get for the mod. If they get a stack loads of components the salvage is still cheap but the mods is worth so much more because it has oodles of salvage in it.
(B)
Now that invention margins are razor thin, people stop inventing, (C)
BPO holders are laughing all the way to the bank making 20-25% with zero competition. Down crash the Datacore market. The significant lack of demand for non-ship related datacores sky drives. However no matter how cheap the Datacores get, it's still only a 50% success rate on something which you're competition builds for 20% less then you. No matter how cheap datacores got it would not boost Invention.
(D)
The Mod price itself is limited market, I purchase something like 500-600 meta 4 mods a month for the soul reason of invention. If Invention is lost because of razor thin margins, I and anyone else like me wouldn't buy that many mods. So the next price they would be at is their value in salvage. Which like I've said a couple of times now, it all depends on how much salvage the mode produced.
(E)
(A) It all depends on the amount of salvage a mod returns, i think the market for salvage will bottom out even faster then you think because of it, it isnt only the meta 4 modules that are returning salvage, but all of them. and now being the sole loot items there will be a bigger influx of salvage materials on the market. I dont see meta4 modules giving a bigger return then say, meta 3. I dont believe that they give significantly higher mineral returns now.
(B) if all the mission returns is salvage, and not minerals, even oodles of salvage wont make it worth more, as there are enough competing sources of the same salvage (namely the meta 1-3 modules) High volume would suggest a drop in price rather then an increase.
(C) Margins can be a mile wide and people wont stop inventing and selling at a loss, ten minutes on the forums here will tell you that, Akita T will tell you that, on many items the margin is already thin, but there are still people inventing/selling often at a loss. Also bpo holders cant supply the entire demand for many things. and some locations are just not accessible markets to the holders selling in jita, supply chains for say t2 ammo to deep 0.0 will mean that invention out there and manufacturing out there at a jita loss, will be profitable.
(D) we both know that this is not true. there are levels where datacore prices will mean that even a 25% success rate will be profitable, however they are indeed low and unrealistic.
(E)Indeed it does depend on the amounts of salvage return, but even if the cost of meta 4 mods sky rockets, would you see a slight increase in meta 3 mods too? as inventors use those instead of meta 4? Choosing a cheaper mod will also influence your margins and your invention chances, meta 4 arent the only kind of module, and ignoring them will mean that the people who do use them will not have the same razor thin margins you have.
I dont believe that the module worth in salvage will come even close to the modules worth in minerals, which is currently no where near its worth as a meta 4 module.
Im not sure i see where you get the idea that its salvage worth will be more then its module worth if you are crashing the salvage market even more by making all the other meta modules be salvage returns too.
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