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Otto TheRed
Gallente
Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.03.16 17:11:00 -
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I am a 2-month old player based adjacent to low-sec space. I have warped into the closest low-sec system a few times just to have a look around, docked at a station, and then warped back out. It seemed pretty quiet. Is there any reason I can't take an Incursus or Rifter, fit it with a MWD, and do a little belt ratting? My thinking would be, keep an eagle eye on local and the overview, and if anyone comes into my belt, or looks at all suspicious, immediately warp. The worst that can happen is I die, right? I have enough ISK that I can afford to lose a few basic frigates
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Xenia Karaxis
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Posted - 2010.03.16 17:22:00 -
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That's pretty much the right idea. I'd personally go with an afterburner since it lets you evade the larger rats more easily. Try going a couple jumps deep into lowsec, there is less activity and lower sec rating systems have better rats. You might not have the DPS to take down battleship rats in a tech 1 frigate but you can kill battlecruisers pretty quick for some good cash.
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Abram Thrust
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.16 17:44:00 -
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AB is good, MWD has this nasty habit of blowing your sig radius up to the point where that BC rat can tag you.. and of god it hurts.
word of advise from someone who used to lowsec rat:
lead the rats out far away from the "warp to zero" point of the belt, and fight them there. this should buy you a few extra seconds to GTFO if some one unfriendly (everyone in lowsec) shows up.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.16 18:57:00 -
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You also align faster with an AB than a MWD. Good for those gtfo moments.
Also look at AFs as you gain SPs and isk. Pretty efficient little low-sec ratting ships.
Whatever you choose to fly, try and go PvP fit.
Who knows, you might just have some fun while ratting.
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Tsear Shadowstalker
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Posted - 2010.03.16 19:25:00 -
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This is what I did when I started, though it quickly changed into pirating other ratters 
One tool you haven't mentioned is the directional scanner. If you see someone on scan, you can align and get ready to warp. The extra couple of seconds can save you.
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Critter Blacklung
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Posted - 2010.03.16 19:42:00 -
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Also, before venturing into a low-sec system, check the Star map statistics for that system.
Check the number of pilots who are docked and active. If there's one or two, no worries probably. If there's say 50... you may want to wait.
Also, check the average number of pilots and jumps over the last various time periods you can select.
Check the number of ships killed and pods killed in the system over those various time periods too.
These stats won't keep you safe 100% of the time, but they can help give you an indication of what happened recently in that system. I mean if you saw in the last 1/2 hour that 20 pods had been killed, well... you may want to rethink your profit to loss ratio or at least check to make sure your clone is up to date.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.17 10:19:00 -
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Check my vid on low sec survival, might be handy. Also check out the other stuff, things like undocking BM's, safespots and session timer vids.
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Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.03.17 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bucky O''Hair on 17/03/2010 10:56:01
Use your scanner! If you wait until they are on your overview, chances are your going to die. Using the scanner you can get a lead time on approaching targets.
Also, do not stay near the warp in point when your ratting, as it will be the warp in point of anyone who comes after you.
Other than that, bring plenty of ammo for your rifter.
Bucky O'Hair
"If it flys it dies!"
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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.17 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: The AEther on 17/03/2010 12:25:43
 Originally by: Otto TheRed
... The worst that can happen is I die, right? ...
Pretty much. And the best thing that might happen is that you might take down whatever it was that attacked you. Chances of this are quite small, but there are always people out there just starting out on their career in piracy and underestimating what basic frigates can do.
Besides watching local, you can also open your directional scanner, set it to closer distance like 2-3 AU (300-450 mil km) and when you see new guy appear in local keep doing 360 degree scans, see if you can pick up any new ships closing in onto you. Most pirates will come into system and then warp to a planet near which they think you are likely to be at. Belts are all positioned around planets at close proximity to them, so warping to planet makes it easier to scan individual belts and pinpoint target's ship down (you can try doing this yourself). Because you are running scans at short range, you will pick their ship as they will be in process of doing this. Then you'll know that it is perhaps good time to gtfo.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.17 13:09:00 -
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Good day:
With the directional scanner, do you keep use overview settings checked or unchecked?
Angel set to 360?
Thank you.
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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.17 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: The AEther on 17/03/2010 13:20:44
Originally by: Mara Abraham
With the directional scanner, do you keep use overview settings checked or unchecked?
Angel set to 360?
Yep, angle at 360. If you are using default overview settings they should have all player ships enabled so your directional scanner would also be able to pick them up if you enable overview settings on it without a problem.
I would also recommend removing cans, wrecks, and even belts from overview and just orienting by brackets in space. If you have been ratting in lowsec for a while wrecks can build up and so will start cluttering your scans. Belts and cans can provide some clutter as well.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.17 13:22:00 -
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Mara,
Check out this guide: http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=ScanningGuide
When PvPing you generally want to use the scanner with overview settings checked and your overview being just what you absolutely want to see to narrow down a target. Having to wade through a bunch of things you could care less about slows you down.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.17 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 17/03/2010 13:35:02
Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day:
With the directional scanner, do you keep use overview settings checked or unchecked?
Angel set to 360?
Thank you.
The conventional wisdom is to leave it unchecked - but it depends on what you are using it for. I've read posts and seen videos describing how to use the over view settings to look for specific things. What you do there - is to create an Over View tab that has the specific settings you want - then shift to that tab - before running your directional scan.
Quick Scans are 360 degrees. You can narrow the scan if using the directional scanner itself to try to find something.
Note - that when the people above are talking about using the directional scanner to warn of bad guys - they mean using it every 5 seconds - literally - every 5 seconds.
There are two types of scanning. Offensive - to find someone to attack. Defensive - to warn you of a possible attack.
Defensive scanning is what the earlier posters above are talking about.
Offensive scanning consists of one of two types:
1) Using the Directional Scanner alone. This, by itself, will give the target no warning your are scanning for them. It is here that you narrow the angle of the scan to indicate which direction something is in.
2) Using Scan Probes. The mere presence of probes in a system indicates that someone is trying to scan someone down and can thus give you away. This is more effective in more circumstances than just using the directional scanner.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.17 14:15:00 -
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Greetings:
Thank you for the replies.
Marko Riva, nice video. What do you recommend for a vexor ratting fit? I could tell some from your video, but not all. What would a caracal ratting fit look like?
Thank you.
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Otto TheRed
Gallente
Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.03.17 15:36:00 -
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First, thanks to everyone who responded for the excellent information you provided. I did in fact go ratting in low-sec last night and it was successful. A few observations:
1) low-sec rats are much tougher than their high-sec counterparts (duh).
2) My vanilla fitted Incursus had to warp out a few times for repairs. My fit was 3x T1 blasters in the high slots, AB + cap recharger + webber in the mids, and warp stabilizer + armor repper in the lows. The webber seemed to help slow my target down and keep me within 1000 meters, but possibly I should have had something else in that mid slot. I wanted the warp stabilizer as insurance in case I needed to flee, but did not end up using it. With just the small repper my tank was OK but not great.
3) local chat was very quiet, only 2-3 other pilots in the system and they didn't seem to be doing anything. But I will be practicing with the direction scanner tonight.
Fly safe.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.17 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 17/03/2010 16:19:15
Glad it went well Otto.
Ditch the stab for a Damage Control.
Use your directional scanner and an eye on local to avoid getting caught.
It will hone your situational awareness skills faster than trying to depend on a stab that won't do you a bit of good anyway if someone slaps a warp scram instead of a disruptor on you.
A stab is, for the most part, a crutch. No one gets stronger and internalizes good game play and habits leaning on a crutch.
The DC will also help you not need to rep so much.
As far as your mids? I don't like flying anything but logistics and ecm boats without a scram or disruptor. Up to you of course.
Edit: Frankly, you may be ready to just take the plunge. Move to that low-sec system or one nearby. I moved down to low-sec permanently within my first few days of playing EVE and I have never regretted it.
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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:38:00 -
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This might be an obvious statement but don't rat in the highsec-lowsec border systems. Venturing just two or three more jumps into lowsec can easily land you in a deserted system with lots of rats. When I was newer I had a stationless lowsec system that almost NEVER had a single person in it, so I could rat to my heart's content with no risk.
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