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Jin Trang Gallente Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:07:00 - [1] A former corps mate told me that Advanced Spaceship Command improves the agility of an Orca. Is this true? (before I spend 40 mil).
Sandeep	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:16:00 - [2] ASC is not a pre-requisite for Orca, therefore ASC does not help the agility of Orca. What is this time flux thing?
Jin Trang Gallente Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:18:00 - [3] Yeah, I know it isn't listed, but he swears he is 90% certain it does. There are other documentation mistakes in the game, so I thought it was worth asking.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:41:00 - [4] Advanced Spaceship Command for the Orca would be more of a burden than a blessing. Because there is an additional inertia modifier for capital ships, you would actually lose 75% agility - or somewhere thereabouts - if the Orca required ASC. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.03.16 23:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Jin Trang Yeah, I know it isn't listed, but he swears he is 90% certain it does. And now you know why you still see Q-Ray bracelets and chiropractors on TV.
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.16 23:44:00 - [6] Alternatively you can spend 200k on a 100mn MWD and a reactor control and cut your align time down to 10 seconds. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis
Zirse Incarnate	Posted - 2010.03.17 00:09:00 - [7] This is the fit I use for my ORCA racing league. Handles corners like no other. [Orca, SPEEDRACERKILLERDEATH] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Setele's Modified 100MN MicroWarpdrive Amarr Navy Cap Recharger Amarr Navy Cap Recharger Amarr Navy Cap Recharger 'Pike' Small EMP Smartbomb I 'Pike' Small EMP Smartbomb I 'Pike' Small EMP Smartbomb I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5
Jin Trang Gallente Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2010.03.17 00:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Alternatively you can spend 200k on a 100mn MWD and a reactor control and cut your align time down to 10 seconds. Thanks, I'll do that.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.17 06:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 17/03/2010 06:30:29 Originally by: Jin Trang Yeah, I know it isn't listed, but he swears he is 90% certain it does. There are other documentation mistakes in the game, so I thought it was worth asking. You do realize that agility is easy to verify, right? Look at the inertial modifier on a market Orca (no skills), now look at your own on the fitting screen (with skills). adjusted inertial modifier = inertial modifier without skills * (1 - Spaceship Command * 0.02) * (1 - Evasive Maneuvering * 0.05) If the calculated value is correct, then ASC doesn't apply.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.03.17 06:39:00 - [10] EFT can easily settle this question. Load up an orca with all level V and then change ASC to level 0 and see if there is any change in align time. Otherwise the 100mn mwd trick works just dandy. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! CCP Shadow's Troll List.
Jien Tarrar	Posted - 2010.03.17 13:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler "Alternatively you can spend 200k on a 100mn MWD and a reactor control and cut your align time down to 10 seconds." Eh? Going faster makes align times worse. Much better to train Evasive Manoevres to V, stick a Istab Rig and use an Istab II in the low, its super quick. I use an AB as well so when I am turning the complete other direction to warp, I hit the AB on and off a cycle so that by the time I align im ready to warp. The alignment time hit from an AB is much less than a MWD.
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2010.03.17 13:59:00 - [12] It's not about going faster, it's about aligning in 10 seconds. 10 seconds is also MWDs cycle time. Coincidence?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.17 14:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Jien Tarrar Eh? Going faster makes align times worse. Much better to train Evasive Manoevres to V, stick a Istab Rig and use an Istab II in the low, its super quick. I use an AB as well so when I am turning the complete other direction to warp, I hit the AB on and off a cycle so that by the time I align im ready to warp. The alignment time hit from an AB is much less than a MWD. Yes, and the exact same trick works for MWDs, except that their cycle time is smaller, so you're off sooner. The problem is squeezing one in there… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.17 14:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Mona X Coincidence? I think not! - Emperor
Jien Tarrar	Posted - 2010.03.17 15:06:00 - [15] Except to fit a MWD on an ORCA you have to gimp its fitting, having an Istab II in the low improves align time and you can have a AB that fits fine with a shield tank to compliment the DC'd hull tank. I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.17 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Jien Tarrar I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, The same way an AB does it. You seem to understand how and why it works for the AB – the MWD does the same, only faster, but at the cost of being a "#&% to fit. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Dacryphile	Posted - 2010.03.17 15:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Jien Tarrar I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive. Because it takes forever to get up to warp speed, but if you cycle the MWD once then after it shuts down you are at warp speed. EFT =/= in game mkay? Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Jien Tarrar	Posted - 2010.03.17 15:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Dacryphile Originally by: Jien Tarrar I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive. Because it takes forever to get up to warp speed, but if you cycle the MWD once then after it shuts down you are at warp speed. EFT =/= in game mkay? The question is not speed to warp, but agility. I use the AB or MWD if i wanted to, to WARP faster, not TURN faster, which speed modules hinder. Learn to read.
Colonel Evans	Posted - 2010.03.17 18:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Jien Tarrar Originally by: Dacryphile Originally by: Jien Tarrar I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive. Because it takes forever to get up to warp speed, but if you cycle the MWD once then after it shuts down you are at warp speed. EFT =/= in game mkay? The question is not speed to warp, but agility. I use the AB or MWD if i wanted to, to WARP faster, not TURN faster, which speed modules hinder. Learn to read. Most stubborn and mildly stupid person I've seen today. It takes a very long time to get up to that 75% of max speed required to warp. With an MWD you're already at that speed when you are aligned. Okay? Now play nice kids.
Jien Tarrar	Posted - 2010.03.17 21:36:00 - [20] Edited by: Jien Tarrar on 17/03/2010 21:45:43 Originally by: Colonel Evans Originally by: Jien Tarrar Originally by: Dacryphile Originally by: Jien Tarrar I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive. Because it takes forever to get up to warp speed, but if you cycle the MWD once then after it shuts down you are at warp speed. EFT =/= in game mkay? The question is not speed to warp, but agility. I use the AB or MWD if i wanted to, to WARP faster, not TURN faster, which speed modules hinder. Learn to read. Most stubborn and mildly stupid person I've seen today. It takes a very long time to get up to that 75% of max speed required to warp. With an MWD you're already at that speed when you are aligned. Okay? Now play nice kids. Hmm was going to write a long reposnse to make you look stupid with figures but cant be bothered so here it is in a couple of sentences so its nice and clear.... This is an Orca AGILITY thead, not a "how do I build up speed to warp faster" thread. The mention of MWD or AB to to engage warp is not relevant at all, only align speed. I only mentioned that you can have an AB on an Orca to assist with that all important build up of speed to warp once you have aligned because it fits without wasting a precious low slot on a fitting module. Enough said.
Dacryphile	Posted - 2010.03.17 22:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Dacryphile on 17/03/2010 22:16:51 Originally by: Jien Tarrar This is an Orca AGILITY thead, not a "how do I build up speed to warp faster" thread. The mention of MWD or AB to to engage warp is not relevant at all, only align speed. I only mentioned that you can have an AB on an Orca to assist with that all important build up of speed to warp once you have aligned because it fits without wasting a precious low slot on a fitting module. Enough said. Who said this was a thread simply about orca agility? The OP seems more interested in getting to warp faster. So lets ask the question, "Who gets to warp first? The inertia stab + AB, or the reactor control + MWD." EFT won't answer this question, only in game experience. The conflict here is that while everyone else in the thread are talking about practical application, you are simply focusing on EFT align time numbers. Yes a MWD hurts agility by adding a ** load of mass and requiring an RC, but if it gets you into warp faster then that is better than using an AB +2x inertia stabs. Originally by:** Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2010.03.18 01:17:00 - [22] The only time the I-stabs help is if the Orca is already moving in a different direction than where it wants to go. In that instance it has to shed velocity in the wrong direction and gain velocity in the direction of the destination. If the ship is at a dead stop, it has zero velocity, thus all it has to do is gain 75% max speed in the direction of the target. I-stabs will help, but they won't turn a ZTW (zero to warp) time of 46 seconds into a ZTW time of 10 seconds, which the MWD will. Of course, the Orca doesn't have the grid for that, but a reactor control or ancillary current router (I prefer the rig) lets it fit. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Jien Tarrar	Posted - 2010.03.18 10:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Jien Tarrar on 18/03/2010 11:04:21 Originally by: Dacryphile Edited by: Dacryphile on 17/03/2010 22:16:51 Originally by: Jien Tarrar This is an Orca AGILITY thead, not a "how do I build up speed to warp faster" thread. The mention of MWD or AB to to engage warp is not relevant at all, only align speed. I only mentioned that you can have an AB on an Orca to assist with that all important build up of speed to warp once you have aligned because it fits without wasting a precious low slot on a fitting module. Enough said. Who said this was a thread simply about orca agility? The OP seems more interested in getting to warp faster. So lets ask the question, "Who gets to warp first? The inertia stab + AB, or the reactor control + MWD." EFT won't answer this question, only in game experience. The conflict here is that while everyone else in the thread are talking about practical application, you are simply focusing on EFT align time numbers. Yes a MWD hurts agility by adding a **** load of mass and requiring an RC, but if it gets you into warp faster then that is better than using an AB +2x inertia stabs. Okay last post from me because this thread dosen't need anymore. In my defence, the thread is titled "Orca Agility" isn't it? I am not using pure EFT figures to base my comments, I use the fact I AM an Orca pilot and can see the difference to back up EFT. I totally agree that MWD's are the best way to get a ship to warp, but only if your more or less facing the right direction when you activate the module and deactivate it. In anything larger than a battleship, if your not facing the right way and have to turn the large ship a lot before you are facing the right way, better agility comes to play. I 'prefer' using one Instab II with my DC II in the low slots because sometimes after a gate or after mission looting, I need to turn a lot before my ship is ready to begin warp. As for the comment about Instabs II dont help if your not moving, I would say that you are moving as soon as you engage that Micro warp drive to get the momentum to move up to the 75% speed required to warp, so it does come into effect. At the end of the day, you take what you read in forums with a pinch of salt and need to try stuff out yourself. Happy piloting folks. EDIT: Fixed some grammer
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.18 11:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Jien Tarrar Except to fit a MWD on an ORCA you have to gimp its fitting, having an Istab II in the low improves align time and you can have a AB that fits fine with a shield tank to compliment the DC'd hull tank. I dont understand how a MWD improves align time, it makes it worse. Do it in EFT and you can see align time goes up with a MWD or AB fitted and on. The point of the 1 cycle MWD or AB is to get that slow ship up to 75% speed faster than without to engage the warp drive. Check this vid, it'll explain it. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Larkonis Trassler Genos Occidere Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.19 15:34:00 - [25] Protip: After jumping through a gate your alignment doesn't matter. Your 'velocity vector' is 0 meaning it will take you just as long to align and warp to something directly in front of you as it would directly behind you. For at the keyboard med-large volume empire hauling on easy mode you can't beat an Orca with a MWD. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist No. Larkonis

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