Okay let me make a more serious post now.

One thought for a bearing cap would be an ORE carrier, that gives up ore compression for the ability to deploy cargo drones. Cargo drones could be assigned to fleet mates like fighters can except they are mined into and when full they fly back to the ORE carrier and unload.

Okay even that might be overpowered and pointless, would make more sense to just make a "Cargo Fighter" for existing carriers. of course this would require a Rorq to park next to the carrier to compress the ore but that is how things go.

Also, as someone suggested, a totally new PvE oriented cap ship is a good idea.

What would you even use it for? It's not like you can take it into missions, or can light a cyno to move it to another system. Fighterbombers can't go into deadspace pockets, and are basically only effective against battleships or other caps. If it retains any of the logistics bonuses, it really would only be beneficial for high sec wars since nothing in high-sec really would do enough damage to require capital RR.

Honestly, it's about as useful as the dreads that are stuck in high sec which are used as a LOL mining barge. Same with a titan, although I suppose you can use it as a hot-dropping platform based out of high-sec.

Super Caps are almost always Corp/Alliance property, not personal...

I focus on pve and i use Thanatos among other ships for that. However, it seems all those 0.0 carebears(the don't nerf titans, don't nerf caps, don't nerf blob, don't nerf jb, don't nerf jf just nerf highsec!!!) are crying at the thought of carebears getting more tools.

So your entire justification for this idea boils down to "Because I want it"?

Wow.

not really, it's always been hisec miner scum who bleat about nullsec being "too easy" even though they don't actually live there because, well, it's not "too easy"

1. What counters are there for local? This "ultimate intelligence feature" makes it almost impossible to kill vast majority of 0.0 carebear ships. Near zero risk for anyone who has been in 0.0 for longer than 1 month.

2. How often do you have 50 man freighter gangs needing 50 jumps in 0.0 space? Oh, wait, you use capitals/JF/Jumpbridge for logistics.

3. How many supercaps do you lose? 1-2/month? How many do you have have? 200? 300? Wow, big risk all over again.

4. Why do you have tech-naps in North? I know, because you can't attack them and they can't attack you, because of ridiculously defensive nature of EVE sov/pos/station mechanics.

5. Once you engage some fail alliance(like Nulli, from what read from CAOD) and you totally "win", how much of their assets will they lose? Maybe 2% of the total value thanks to point 2. and 4.?


For all the cold harsh pvp 0.0 space rhetoric, EVE sure does have a lot of mechanics to defend you from all the risks.

thanks for your opinions on nullsec, noted npc corp member

.... I don't understand what it's like to live in null sec...

endgame

1. What counters are there for local? This "ultimate intelligence feature" makes it almost impossible to kill vast majority of 0.0 carebear ships. Near zero risk for anyone who has been in 0.0 for longer than 1 month.

2. How often do you have 50 man freighter gangs needing 50 jumps in 0.0 space? Oh, wait, you use capitals/JF/Jumpbridge for logistics.

3. How many supercaps do you lose? 1-2/month? How many do you have have? 200? 300? Wow, big risk all over again.

4. Why do you have tech-naps in North? I know, because you can't attack them and they can't attack you, because of ridiculously defensive nature of EVE sov/pos/station mechanics.

5. Once you engage some fail alliance(like Nulli, from what read from CAOD) and you totally "win", how much of their assets will they lose? Maybe 2% of the total value thanks to point 2. and 4.?


For all the cold harsh pvp 0.0 space rhetoric, EVE sure does have a lot of mechanics to defend you from all the risks.

There. Fixed that for you. Nullsec isn't as easy as living in high sec. Try it before you make judgements like that. It's a LOT more dangerous. Just because a corp doesn't lose 100% of it's assets when kicked in the teeth doesn't mean it's "easy". You should try getting out from under CONCORD's skirts some time, then you might actually understand what you're talking about.

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Really, be honest here, what part of it is dangerous?

I never said running a 0.0 alliance isn't easy, but you have to remember... tedious != hard.

Having more content for PvErs is obviously a good thing, regardless of what the 0.0 carebears say.

The part where a roaming fleet comes through your system and decides to camp all the gates in it for laughs.

The part where you make one little mistake when talking to one of your neighbours which escalates into a full blown war which you cannot surrender from.

The part where cov ops fleets hot drop onto your mining op and waste everything in less time than it takes your combat ships to get there.

I live in high, null and WHs. Null is by far the hardest place to live.

Tedious is not hard. Mining in a hulk in highsec is more dangerous than 0.0. Highend Maradeurs/Faction BS are just as safe in 0.0 as they are in highsec.

Having more content for PvErs is obviously a good thing, regardless of what the 0.0 carebears say.

Null sec is safe because players make it safe.

High sec miners could make it safe if they bothered to pay attention to the game while mining.

Tell me, how players make 0.0 safe? Don't game mechanics do that... and by that I mean local.

There is no counter to local.

Having more content for PvErs is obviously a good thing, regardless of what the 0.0 carebears say.

I don't know if you've noticed, but theres a new tear thread about afk cloaking that pops up every few days.

This is because carebears are babies and dock up at the first sign of a neut/red.

More to the point, players make null safe via intel channels, defense fleets and otherwise being active. If your argument is null sec is safe because it has local, then you're essentially arguing that null sec is safe because null sec miners are active, whereas high sec miners are not. If high sec miners were actually actively playing the game, they'd be ready to leave at the first sign of trouble.

Did I say high sec players need to use local?

No. I said they need to be active. You know. See that gang of thrashers warp in. Have a tank fit. Be aligned, ready to leave.

But the vast majority don't do this. Thus the "risk."

Thats not really risk. Thats just stupid.

We already went over that. AFK cloaking. Its surprisingly effective. Note the amount of threads that pop up crying about it.

As for, neutral cloakers in high sec....thats a lot of :effort: and I'm willing to bet that its rarely used. The fact is most people who mine in high sec do so afk which is...not being active. If they were more active, the risk would be reduced. Do you contest this?

Of course a cloak recon disrupts a 0.0 system, but alliances have more than 1 system and afking at them causes income losses, not asset losses.

I can see why you think a pve supercarrier is a good idea now.

Your brain works in interesting ways.