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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:03:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:I am toying with the idea of joining the Gallente side of FW. From the posts so far, I deduce they are somewhat in need of fresh meat, is that correct?
Generally, are the factions currently unbalanced or not?
Gals are not as outnumbered as you might think despite what Militia numbers might show. Caldari has always had a large inflated number base that has loads of guys that never do anything related to the PVP side of FW.
You might look at fights like the battle report of the recent fight in Enaluri and think Caldari have overwhelming numbers advantage. What that battle report didn't show, was the fact there were easily another 40+/- Gals with-in 1 to 2 jumps of that fight that didn't get invited by the cool kids til they knew they were losing.
There also seems to be a lot of little clicks in Gal Militia where various groups don't really work so well with one another. With Caldari for the most part we have done a lot of work to get everyone supporting one another and at least somewhat on the same page with one another.
2nd thing is a lot of the Gal corps have swapped to Minmatar Militia to leech their cheap LP store so they don't have to put in any effort defending space, but they still stay up in Gal space with the Gal militia supporting them with numbers. |

Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:56:00 -
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Mutnin wrote: Gals are not as outnumbered as you might think despite what Militia numbers might show. Caldari has always had a large inflated number base that has loads of guys that never do anything related to the PVP side of FW.
You might look at fights like the battle report of the recent fight in Enaluri and think Caldari have overwhelming numbers advantage. What that battle report didn't show, was the fact there were easily another 40+/- Gals with-in 1 to 2 jumps of that fight that didn't get invited by the cool kids til they knew they were losing.
No, it is and was still a situation where squids outnumbered frogs. I was watching in a cloaky. Really don't know how frogs got the upperhand just before the changes. But then go back farther and the caldari advantages led them to a period of "winning" the theatre.
Mutnin wrote: There also seems to be a lot of little clicks in Gal Militia where various groups don't really work so well with one another. With Caldari for the most part we have done a lot of work to get everyone supporting one another and at least somewhat on the same page with one another. That may be. If so sad for the frogs that care about the role play. But then they seem to be sorta resigned to losing space due to the easier npc mechanics for the squids. And it they have an "elite" old guard that wants to keep getting blobbed by squids and losing expensive ships because they can't be bothered gathering their noobie scrubs together to help, well ok for them I suppose.
Mutnin wrote: 2nd thing is a lot of the Gal corps have swapped to Minmatar Militia to leech their cheap LP store so they don't have to put in any effort defending space, but they still stay up in Gal space with the Gal militia supporting them with numbers. Yeah, that is sad. But the tide is turning in the south and they might reevaluate. |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
9
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:22:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! 
Then join Amarr or Caldari. Gallente seem to be vocal about "being blobbed" now when Caldari can sometimes match their numbers and in general dont behave entirely in scrubby fashion but in reality Caldari are still outnumbered and outgunned most of the time. |

Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
16
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:54:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory!  Caldari are still outnumbered Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters. (Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.) Hey! You're no zombie! |

Lili Lu
303
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:15:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory!  Then join Amarr or Caldari. Gallente seem to be vocal about "being blobbed" now when Caldari can sometimes match their numbers and in general dont behave entirely in scrubby fashion but in reality Caldari are still outnumbered and outgunned most of the time. This message brought to you by the ministry of information lol |

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
252
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:16:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory!  Caldari are still outnumbered Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters. (Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.)
Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners.. 
Anyway to the OP.. it's really what you are looking for that matters as to which side you fight for. If you want a lot of small gangs with option of big blobs and also want to be able to join large gang and also make ISK, then join Caldari..
If you want to camp gates with 50 Thrashers in a war zone the size of a postage stamp and still make ISK, join Minmatar.
If you want to claim you are out numbered while having 40 guys docked in station AFK and have no way to make ISK.. join Gallente. |

Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
16
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:22:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory!  Caldari are still outnumbered Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters. (Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.) Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners..  Haha. That's a negative, Ghost Rider. Open your eyes and read along. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Nave Drallig
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
7
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:51:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Mutnin wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory!  Caldari are still outnumbered Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters. (Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.) Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners..  Haha. That's a negative, Ghost Rider. Open your eyes and read along.
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own" |

Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:50:00 -
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Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^
I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P Hey! You're no zombie! |

Garan Nardieu
Moira. Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:33:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P
Not really wanting to repeat what's been pointed out in other parts of forums, but in their smugness squids might at least have the decency to admit the fact that two day old chars being able to capture basically any size of gal plexes vs caldari plexes requireing decently skilled chars did add to squid sucess just a tiny little bit. Oh, and don't get me wrong, kudos to you guys for getting coordinated like you did. |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
9
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:50:00 -
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Garan Nardieu wrote:but in their smugness squids might at least have the decency to admit the fact that two day old chars being able to capture basically any size of gal plexes vs caldari plexes requireing decently skilled chars did add to squid sucess just a tiny little bit.
Perhaps you should drop this line and just admit that your week old farming alts can also capture any caldari plex too, unless you dont know how to fit you boat or what skills to train.
And don't give me the usual bullcrap line about "You have to do it in pve fit". You and I both know that farming character will not stick around to fight anyway and even if you are in pvp fit, 9/10 players wont engage bigger boat in plex if they are also dealing with npcs shooting at them. |

Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:54:00 -
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Garan Nardieu wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P Not really wanting to repeat what's been pointed out in other parts of forums, but in their smugness squids might at least have the decency to admit the fact that two day old chars being able to capture basically any size of gal plexes vs caldari plexes requireing decently skilled chars did add to squid sucess just a tiny little bit. Oh, and don't get me wrong, kudos to you guys for getting coordinated like you did. They've got their own "defense" against that line of discussion (though frankly I think it's got holes in it) and refuse to debate on the topic, thus I tried to avoid it as much as I could as it would accomplish nothing. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Garan Nardieu
Moira. Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:03:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote: Perhaps you should drop this line and just admit that your week old farming alts can also capture any caldari plex too, unless you dont know how to fit you boat or what skills to train. ... You and I both know that farming character will not stick around to fight anyway and even if you are in pvp fit, 9/10 players wont engage bigger boat in plex if they are also dealing with npcs shooting at them.
Not trying to argue, just pointing an obvious problem with game balance that works in your favour. I know for a fact that my 7 months old alt capable of fully t2 fitting incursus still can't do all caldari plexes. And yes, I'm talking PvE fit (and t1 frigs). For testing purposes I trained another alt for 2 days, got him the minimum of skills required to fit a cap stable dualrep frig, signed it up to state protectorate and - wow and behold, that one can do gal majors. Swithced it to minnies, barely can stand some cal mediums. Would it be able to tank caldari majors in a week, dunno but doubt it. |

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
125
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:11:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P
Yet you talk about how Caldari " Never have" been outnumbered, as if you have even the vaguest of clues.....(not)
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:26:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P Yet you talk about how Caldari " Never have" been outnumbered, as if you have even the vaguest of clues.....(not) They haven't. "Oh but they're not all active." Yes, we've heard that before several times... as if they're the only one's with inactives. (Is there even 1500 active members in any one militia?)
For instance: I look and see that in 2009 Caldari captured every FW system available to them. Would they have been able to do that without a numbers advantage? I highly doubt it. Up until the patch the Gallente had the numbers advantage as far as active FIGHTERS, but combine the Caldari missioners and fighters against the Gallente missioners and fighters and voila. Then the patch hit and they got a nice, swift kick in the pants with recruitment and new incentives and now the advantage is showing itself. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
125
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:32:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P Yet you talk about how Caldari " Never have" been outnumbered, as if you have even the vaguest of clues.....(not) They haven't. "Oh but they're not all active." Yes, we've heard that before several times... as if they're the only one's with inactives. (Is there even 1500 active members in any one militia?) A 4 year old war you have been involved in for e few months. You dont have a clue....
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:34:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Shadow Adanza wrote:Nave Drallig wrote:
(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Oh? You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^ I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P Yet you talk about how Caldari " Never have" been outnumbered, as if you have even the vaguest of clues.....(not) They haven't. "Oh but they're not all active." Yes, we've heard that before several times... as if they're the only one's with inactives. (Is there even 1500 active members in any one militia?) A 4 year old war you have been involved in for a few months. You dont have a clue.... You'd be surprised. ^_^ Read my addition to the above post. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
10
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:18:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:For instance: I look and see that in 2009 Caldari captured every FW system available to them. Would they have been able to do that without a numbers advantage?
Perhaps Caldari had more numbers back then than gallente but I doubt it. Main difference was that most of the gallente militia sat in Tama, camping nourvukaiken gate and laughed "Lol, plexing, it does not matter, we wont help you" to their fellow militia members who got constantly curbstomped by likes of PERVS, 22nd, CAIN and others everywhere else outside Tama.
Another difference back then was that it actually took you days, weeks, even months to flip a heavily contested system. I'd actually say numbers played less part than will to persist in plexing.
Gallentes can say "downtime plexing favoured Caldari" and for a while I believed it but such was proven to be a excuse much later when Gallentes were willing to use atron alts by their dozens to shift plexes around from uncontested systems to contested systems (thus undoing our work) when we were attacking Viriette before new plexing changes appeared.
Once again, it comes down to will to persist in your chosen goal. (and ability to fund more alt accounts than your enemy as was the case what gallentes did during Viriette offensive). |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
479
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:15:00 -
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I like how everyone attacks the op for not being spacerich and concerned about isk. How dare he wonder what sort of isk you can make in faction war!
He has valid questions and the same sort of questions I had when I was joining faction war. Why would we expect people to join the faction that pays less isk?? RP reasons?
Anyway to answer your question minmatar have it the easiest and they have always had it the easiest. However now that the ccp is actually starting to balance the npcs minmatar are starting to wilt. Thanks to outside organizations like Goons and the gross npc imbalance they were originally able to hit tier 5 lp store prices regularly.
However ccp started to address the npc imbalance and definitely addressed goons. Since then Minmatar have not hit tier 5 once and now they don't even have enough systems to hit tier five.
So bringing some balance has already caused the minmatar to start to collapse. But even with those changes the npcs are still unbalanced in favor of minmatar. We anticipate ccp will address this even more. When that happens minmatar will likely continue to fail cascade and not make it back to tier 5 for a long time.
Caldari is the faction that traditionally gets the most players. Not only do they have the race most players pick at the start, which beocmes the default militia for many, they also have opponents that will tend to be cut off from jita. Which is often a hardship newer players would prefer not to suffer. So long term I anticipate Caldari has the edge.
However, CCP did do something smart when they designed faction war. They decided not to give lp for defensive plexing. Because they did this I anticipate all the factions will hit tier 5 if they fight with a strategy that takes advantage of this fact. (for example don't flip systems until you have enough to hit tier 5) Its just a matter of who will get their first. So yes amarr lp are not valuable right now. And I don't think they will be that valuable in the next few months.
However, as long as ccp doesn't cave to minmatars crying to have lp for defensive plexing amarr will hit tier 5 eventually - assuming we stop flipping systems as soon as we can thereby allowing minmatar plexers to get lp.
What items should you get in the lp stores? That is and always has been a fairly guarded secret. People tend not to share that information and you will need to do the math yourself. I will say pay attention to how fast stuff moves so you don't see that amarr 400 mm armor plates are on contracts for 40 million isk only to find out no one ever actually buys them for that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shadow Adanza
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:09:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:
Perhaps Caldari had more numbers back then than gallente but I doubt it. Main difference was that most of the gallente militia sat in Tama, camping nourvukaiken gate and laughed "Lol, plexing, it does not matter, we wont help you" to their fellow militia members who got constantly curbstomped by likes of PERVS, 22nd, CAIN and others everywhere else outside Tama.
Another difference back then was that it actually took you days, weeks, even months to flip a heavily contested system. I'd actually say numbers played less part than will to persist in plexing.
Gallentes can say "downtime plexing favoured Caldari" and for a while I believed it but such was proven to be a excuse much later when Gallentes were willing to use atron alts by their dozens to shift plexes around from uncontested systems to contested systems (thus undoing our work) when we were attacking Viriette before new plexing changes appeared.
Once again, it comes down to will to persist in your chosen goal. (and ability to fund more alt accounts than your enemy as was the case what gallentes did during Viriette offensive).
Seems like that's been the common Gallente agenda.
Having seen some videos and talking to members who were around back then it seems that they were out numbered then. (At that point would probably be when the Caldari got a large number of those now inactives.) But again, I wasn't around back then and can't fully say "yes" or "no". All I have are stories, thus I can only speculate. ^_^
I do appreciate the little story time, though. The past of Faction War is somewhat fascinating to me. Hey! You're no zombie! |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2619
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:49:00 -
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We can talk all day long about the best places to farm, but you should know a couple of things:
1.) Minmatar doesn't need anyone showing up just to farm isk. If you're not contributing to PvP you're just watering down the market, so we don't want you Than again, we can't stop you either, and it's not like watering down the markets is going to leave us penniless. You may not receive a warm welcome in the minnie side, but the Caldari seem to be a lot nicer about teaching people how to farm the system for profit, they'd probably do more than we would to help you get set up with the right strategy.
2.) The day-old alt farming game has gone on far too long, and its at the top of my hit list. You can get all excited to farm all you like, but know that the days of blitzing plexes in 10mn warp stabbed frigs are limited. This activity has plagued Faction Warfare for ages and measures will be taken to kill it in the next expansion. I'd rather be upfront with everyone on where I stand right now, rather than have everyone continue in a "race to the bottom" and get too invested in a farming playstyle that essentially has a death warrant on it.
The ways to accomplish this are being discussed in the official thread on the subject, accesible here:
FW: rebalancing NPCs and you Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
252
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:11:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:We can talk all day long about the best places to farm, but you should know a couple of things: 1.) Minmatar doesn't need anyone showing up just to farm isk. If you're not contributing to PvP you're just watering down the market, so we don't want you  Than again, we can't stop you either, and it's not like watering down the markets is going to leave us penniless. You may not receive a warm welcome in the minnie side, but the Caldari seem to be a lot nicer about teaching people how to farm the system for profit, they'd probably do more than we would to help you get set up with the right strategy. 2.) The day-old alt farming game has gone on far too long, and its at the top of my hit list. You can get all excited to farm all you like, but know that the days of blitzing plexes in 10mn warp stabbed frigs are limited. This activity has plagued Faction Warfare for ages and measures will be taken to kill it in the next expansion. I'd rather be upfront with everyone on where I stand right now, rather than have everyone continue in a "race to the bottom" and get too invested in a farming playstyle that essentially has a death warrant on it. The ways to accomplish this are being discussed in the official thread on the subject, accesible here: FW: rebalancing NPCs and you
Confirming if you are a Caldari plex farmer that you can also fly down to MInmatar space and farm their plexes receiving Caldari LP's. As Caldari space gets too crowed with farmers we will make sure to send them down to your space just like I see you guys doing in your Militia chat with your farmers, by telling them to come to Caldari space.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
146
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:27:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Confirming if you are a Caldari plex farmer that you can also fly down to MInmatar space and farm their plexes receiving Caldari LP's. As Caldari space gets too crowed with farmers we will make sure to send them down to your space just like I see you guys doing in your Militia chat with your farmers, by telling them to come to Caldari space.
Except you might have to actually put a tank on your frigate and train something other than afterburner I and hull upgrades I since the rats will *gasp* do damage to you. |

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
252
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:46:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Mutnin wrote:Confirming if you are a Caldari plex farmer that you can also fly down to MInmatar space and farm their plexes receiving Caldari LP's. As Caldari space gets too crowed with farmers we will make sure to send them down to your space just like I see you guys doing in your Militia chat with your farmers, by telling them to come to Caldari space.
Except you might have to actually put a tank on your frigate and train something other than afterburner I and hull upgrades I since the rats will *gasp* do damage to you.
Considering there are no more webs or tp's I'm sure it's easily doable with 2 week old alts, just Like I see with Minmatar & Gal alts farming Caldari majors. |
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