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Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:26:00 -
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<Info> I recently filed a bug report on the in-game item "Pillaging 101" and I'd like to get some feedback; really pick the brains of the Greater EVE Online Community.
The issue I had was that it no longer referred to "****(censored, heh, ****ing hell, uhh the word is "to be forced into a sexual act without consent")and pillaging", but instead to "loot and plunder"
The issue the bug hunters thought I had was that "loot" and "plunder" appear in each others definitions in Merriam Webster's Dictionary. </info>
<Flame On> "**** and pillage" is much more entertaining and accurate to the lifestyle of the EVE Online Pirate. The game is rated "T" for Teen and **** and pillaging is nothing new to any teen who has taken a world history class (think of the vikings, iirc they were a big part of Icelandic history), and especially not new to the caliber of people who play EVE(insult or not? you decide). The people who have been described before as "to nerds what nerds are to normal people" a sentiment that much of the player-base I've encountered wears as a badge of their intelligence and maturity.
I don't understand why a company such as CCP, who themselves made the "HTFU Music Video", would be against "**** and pillage" when referring comically to something pirates are known to do. It also bothers me considerably that much of the more adult content hidden in descriptions, item information and back story has been and continues to be nerfed constantly. EVE isn't the kind of game for 6 year olds without a clue in the world, it's played by adults and teens who are old enough to handle some off color humor, if we wanted Hello Kitty Online we'd be playing Hello Kitty Online.
So if CCP could please pull their collective metaphorical heads out of their lawyers' collective metaphorical behinds and return to/ continue with the long and proud tradition of the surly, violent, harsh, and humorous world we pay for, it would be a refreshing change from the politically correct world devoid of self expression and bound by the iron red tape of censorship that I am forced to live in in real life.
</Flame on> <Flame off>
So what do you think? Am I off base? Has anyone else noticed the pattern of removal of content that could be considered offensive?
I am aware that they probably don't want to offend people so they will continue to play/pay, but if something as small as these things would upset someone enough to quit, they wouldn't last the 14 day trial out anyway.
TL;DR
Filed Bug Report, item description nerfed into lameness, continues a pattern of softening edges and rounding off corners (not on ship models mind you, some of those shadows could put an eye out, but that is beyond this post) the world is becoming baby-proofed, game is not for babies, Politically Correct?, Lawyers?, <rage,rage,rage> if I wanted Hello Kitty Online I'd play Hello Kitty Online, What do you think? Am I wrong? How wrong am I? Soft shelled people wouldn't last 14 day trial anyway, no lost money there, why didn't you read the the big post?, it really is more entertaining.
</Flame off>
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 22/03/2010 00:31:28
also the word "rape" should not be censored by the forums
It is not considered one of the cuss words. EVE forums censor too much for a game that tries to be hardcore. Right now the forums might as well be part of Hello Kitty world for pre-teens.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:34:00 -
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gosh i hope so lol \o/
x
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:35:00 -
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I actually agree with you, and i suggest we rate it M for mature instead of T for teen.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:50:00 -
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TBQFH, the mix up joke isn't anywhere near as funny since they got rid of the word '****'.
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Falkus Windowmaker
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:52:00 -
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political correctness FTL
censoring life for YOUR OWN GOOD.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:58:00 -
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who gives a ****?
Seriously, just play the damn game.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane who gives a ****?
Seriously, just play the damn game.
If you think like that then eventually you will become someone's property. Because there are people who think on how to control you, and they will keep pushing the boundaries until people start to push back hard.
Stand up for your rights
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:11:00 -
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I quote Boondock Saints:
Rocco: ****ing... What the ****. Who the **** ****ed this ****ing... How did you two ****ing ****s... ****! Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
Ya, it kind of looses it's humor with that asterik orgy hot dropped over half my words. But we have children playing this game and if we made this an adult game we'd loose half our pirates/mission panhandelers/suicide gankers/scammers.
You must think of the children!
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Sader Rykane who gives a ****?
Seriously, just play the damn game.
If you think like that then eventually you will become someone's property. Because there are people who think on how to control you, and they will keep pushing the boundaries until people start to push back hard.
Stand up for your rights
GAME
You want to stand up for peoples rights? Head to the Middle East and fight for woman's rights there.
This is a game, what happens here hardly matter. CCP can do whatever they **** they want, however the **** they want and if it bothers you then STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:24:00 -
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I agree. If they don't add more stuff like that into the game, so be it. But don't ruin what's already there. And if they do, they could at least do it right.
I mean, apparently it didn't occur to anybody that the current baby-proofed description doesn't make sense and sounds completely ******ed? They might as well delete the item reference from the database to save face because they went from looking "hardcore" to looking "stupid".
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:25:00 -
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I actually agree, and I'm glad that you articulated your point clearly.
The entire reason I choose to play Eve, and in all truth the reason I started playing in the first place, is because of its sharp edges. I don't want a game experience that babies me and coddles me. I find games like that condescending and patronizing, which is a major turnoff for me.
The game isn't intended for children. It has a "T" rating for a reason. Personally I feel that censoring breaks the feel of the game; how can I believe it's a harsh, unforgiving world supposed to bring me to tears every time I undock when all the "bad words" are cleaned up? I'll go so far as to lolrp and say it breaks the immersion.
Yeah, I just went there.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:26:00 -
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It's ironic that they censor it, considering the stories for many of the missions involve such things as recapturing slaves or killing people outright to cover up a secret. My guess is that it is something they have to do to get past ratings boards in certain countries or in general. The restrictions can be absurd.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 22/03/2010 02:04:27 Yes it seems someone at CCP was hired and decided that sillyness had no place in this game and to start censoring everything. Pretty lame. This game should be M or A, Most players are anyway and it would keep out the wow kiddies. Then we can have real quafe girls in pleasure hubs come incarna *drool*
oh and ps the word Nazzeee is also censored. Even lamer?? Is this communist China online now?
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Evans on 22/03/2010 02:11:56 Edited by: Colonel Evans on 22/03/2010 02:11:16 Im beginning to think that people nit-pick and complain about anything just to have a reason to complain about CCP at all.
I seriously doubt CCP even cares that people use **** on the forums, it's far more likely been implemented as a prophylactic measure to prevent any law-suits from people who need money or have been the victim of the word we're arguing about (the real-life definition, not the in-game 'lol i pwnt your @$$' definition). 
How about you show some respect to CCP for spending the time and effort in developing this game instead of complaining like a tard about some forum censors.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Evans Edited by: Colonel Evans on 22/03/2010 02:11:56 Edited by: Colonel Evans on 22/03/2010 02:11:16 Im beginning to think that people nit-pick and complain about anything just to have a reason to complain about CCP at all.
I seriously doubt CCP even cares that people use **** on the forums, it's far more likely been implemented as a prophylactic measure to prevent any law-suits from people who need money or have been the victim of the word we're arguing about (the real-life definition, not the in-game 'lol i pwnt your @$$' definition). 
How about you show some respect to CCP for spending the time and effort in developing this game instead of complaining like a tard about some forum censors.
What you forget is CCP is not based in the US and that kind of garbage would probably get a swift **** off from any judge in iceland
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Evans How about you show some respect to CCP for spending the time and effort in developing this game instead of complaining like a tard about some forum censors.
When they fix the sound engine that's been broken since Apocrypha they'll get my respect back. "Time and effort" . Apparently, not a whole lot.
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:33:00 -
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I was unaware that being the developer of a video game was something that earned one respect lol. CCP is a company. As a company, they are making Eve for a profit. As the end users of said game, you are allowed to voice your opinion, good or bad, about the product or the direction of said product. That has nothing to do about "showing respect".
That being said, I completely understand why CCP have the changes they have made.
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Metalcali
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:46:00 -
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Teach them a lesson and let them know you won't be pushed around. Cancel your subscription, they'll beg to have your money back and make the changes you desire.  ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked.
OP does not contain an idea.
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Char'sul Omar
Minmatar Forgien Fetid Foods
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shawshanke I quote Boondock Saints:
Rocco: ****ing... What the ****. Who the **** ****ed this ****ing... How did you two ****ing ****s... ****! Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
I lol'd.
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Krist Valentine
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.22 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Krist Valentine on 22/03/2010 03:07:24
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails gosh i hope so lol \o/
x
i think im in a silent majority here but your posts always make me laugh haha
EDIT: and just to keep on topic, yea its a bit silly but im not gunna lose any sleep over it
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.03.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Metalcali Teach them a lesson and let them know you won't be pushed around. Cancel your subscription, they'll beg to have your money back and make the changes you desire. 
And they should care about someone who is not a customer because? Someone who cancels may never return, what they want for the game is completely meaningless.
Those of us who continue support the game should be heard, if anybody.
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.03.22 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails gosh i hope so lol \o/
x
I saw your corpse on a contract.
Prudence with regards to verbiage does not make this game substantially resemble another less competitive game.
gosh i hope not lol cancelled you out lol
xy (chromosomes that is).
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Gerrei
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
GAME
You want to stand up for peoples rights? Head to the Middle East and fight for woman's rights there.
This is a game, what happens here hardly matter. CCP can do whatever they **** they want, however the **** they want and if it bothers you then STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY.
This. Let this thread die.
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uinuja
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Posted - 2010.03.22 09:41:00 -
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http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0705/clip_image001.jpg
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:20:00 -
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Hmmm I don't mind a swear word if it's used properly like it would be in the op. and I really do detest when people try to overcensor something and it looses it's meaning.
However, I don't want my government to ban eve and put it into the firewall of doom because it contained a nautie word on the internet..... god knows what these crazies will do next FML. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker |

Winters Chill
Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Winters Chill on 22/03/2010 10:46:07
Originally by: Sader Rykane
GAME
You want to stand up for peoples rights? Head to the Middle East and fight for woman's rights there.
This is a game, what happens here hardly matter. CCP can do whatever they **** they want, however the **** they want and if it bothers you then STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY.
This tbfh and /thread
@OP : its their game, they can enforce whatever rules the see fit. Sorry if that means you can't find an outlet for language mommy won't let you use in the house.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.22 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 22/03/2010 11:49:12
Really who cares? It's a game. Anyway while there a people around who think shooting guns at people is fine but freak out at the sight of a nipple the world will always be nuts.
Anyway as soon as someone has to swear to get a point across they have lost the argument and I read no further. So CCP are doing people a favour.
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tiviirulez
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane You want to stand up for peoples rights? Head to the Middle East and fight for woman's rights there.
Women's rights to draw Muhammad caricatures, ya. And You wont even have to head to the Orient for that.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:59:00 -
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if eve is about to evolve into hko, does that mean if hko worsens it will turn into eve? 
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