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xXaRaXx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: xXaRaXx on 22/03/2010 10:07:10 Hi. Im getting pretty tired of other people clearing out the low sec systems that i do complexes in before i get the chance. Lately i have seen a decrease in sites and complexes in my area and it has started to annoy me. So i thought i wanted to try out some wormwhole fun instead.
I have never really solo'ed any sites in unknown space. Therefore i have a few questiens.
First of all What kind of sites should i do? Wich are most profiting and wich should i be able to do solo
How big a class can i expect to be able to do solo
What minmatar ships are good for doing sites in unknown space (I do have an alt in a cov ops, so scanner isnt required)
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:40:00 -
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Get in a Hurricane. Scan down a C1 or a C2 wormhole. Start clearing anomalies and salvage the wrecks. Hope for Nanoribbons. Additionally, you can scan down some radar and magnometric sites too - but beware, they are better guarded.
TIPS: Bookmark a spot near the spawning sleeper battleships, warp out and in again to get in range. Fit a salvager. Fit a codebreaker and analyzer on your covops alt, if you plan to do the radar/mag sites. Radar and Magnometric loot is cheap; most of the money from WHs coming from nanoribbons.
I know its boring, but its good money :(
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xXaRaXx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:08:00 -
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So Mag and radar sites arent as profitable as anomalies?
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Critter Blacklung
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: xXaRaXx So Mag and radar sites arent as profitable as anomalies?
They are mildly profitable... the big thing is...
Melted Nanoribbons... These are a salvage item that drop randomly from sleepers. They sell for about 4.1 million ISK. The faster you can loot these, the more profit you make. In fact, these will be your biggest profit item.
Now there is a danger of running Cosmic Anomalies... these are very easy to find. If I'm in my WH, and I know you are there too, I'll track you down at an Anomaly much faster than say at a safe spot or a harder to find site. Basically, if I see you on my directional scanner and I know there is a cosmic anomaly nearby too, I can say chances are, you are there, making you a much easier target to find.
I'm not saying avoid these sites, just be careful and treat the wormhole as very hostile unless you know it is empty.
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Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Critter Blacklung
Originally by: xXaRaXx So Mag and radar sites arent as profitable as anomalies?
... just be careful and treat the wormhole as very hostile unless you know it is empty.
If you have never done a Wormhole this last comment is very important. There is no local channel in a WH ... you can NEVER be sure that it is empty. You have to always use your onboard scanner and keep watching for ships/drones or probes appearing on scan. It is the only way to detect someone who may have entered a WH and might be a threat.
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Yuki Sanada
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.03.22 16:54:00 -
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Just 'cause you're paranoid, doesn't mean there's noone watching :)
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Anthal
The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2010.03.22 17:23:00 -
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C1's and C2's can be found frequently in HS. If they do not have a POS, feel blessed. These sites are easily solo'd in a BC. C3's are much more difficult, but can still be done solo in a BC.
Melted nanoribbons are the big ticket item, but do not ignore the tags. They are very consistent and predictable cash, plus they are very lightweight. Make sure you sell these to the NPC orders, and not to player orders for the best profit.
The radar/mag site loot isn't too expensive these days. The high end items (intact) mainly come from the higher class systems, and even then there is no market. People producing the T3 ships have plenty of this stuff, and the demand is actually the melted nanoribbons. However, the tags from these sites will be worth more, especially if there are BS involved.
High end gas can still sell pretty well, but it weighs a ton. You won't be able to fit a full site inside of a hauler. High end ores are also VERY common. Even after the market crash, ABC's still net some of the highest isk per hour in revenue.
Once you decide to run sites in a wormhole, make sure you follow these handy tips: -Spam directional. I can scan down a BC in under 30 seconds. You'll have 6 to 10 HACs/Recons/HICs/CS on top of you not long after, and we will not let your pod escape. This is not uncommon, WH space is even more lawless than 0.0. -Keep your scanner in system. Even if the wormhole has plenty of time, people may collapse the wormhole via mass intentionally. If you have any leadership skills, you also need at least 1 other person in system. -Make sure you check the wormhole for mass and time before going through. If it's reaching the end, or had it's stability critically reduced, don't bother. -Don't **** off the locals. -Keep at least 1 probe out to watch for new sigs. See my first point. This can also mean more money if something new pops. -You will lose your ships, and possible pods at some point. This is eve, it happens. Shrug it off, and don't get too vocal. WH space can be insane money, that insured BC is covered in minutes. The last thing you want is for some random people to trap you, should you get away before you get killed. People hold grudges, it's better to keep your mouth shut than it is to tell your attackers what you did with their mother last night. -Do not **** off the locals. -Make sure you read up on the site you're about to run. This includes triggers, what webs and scrams, and anything else you need to know. [eve-survival.org]
I cannot stress those points enough. Just know that when you get popped, and you will get popped, that it usually isn't personal.
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Bank Cashier
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:34:00 -
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The poster above me hit it on the nails with all points. I really can't stress those enough either, 2 nights ago is a prime example. The locals of WH noticed myself and my 2 alts in the system and setup a Hictor bubble at the WH Exit to high sec where I chill, I was getting ready to leave only to find myself warp scramed by the bubble, so I cloak my primary ship (I warp 1 at a time). And slowly but surely make my way out of the bubble and warp to the SS and cloak and hide, after 15 minutes of sitting there grinding my nails and seeing a total of 9 ships on scanner.
I thought I was done for until 1 slightly taunted into local asking what my plan was and I was honest and told them it was my 2nd of exploring (it really was) and I didn't mean to intrude. Due to being polite and good following conversation they let the hictory bubble despawn and let me go home. So always remain mature and polite to the locals or your ass will get handed to you (They had a carrier and 2 BS's and plenty of tacklers, good to say I had no chance).
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Critter Blacklung
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:39:00 -
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Couple of more thoughts...
C1 openings are limited to Battle Cruisers or smaller. This is not to say there won't be battleships in the wormhole, they can be manufactured in system, but the wormhole will not let you take anything bigger in than a battle cruiser.
Be aware of the effect the wormhole star has on your ship. For example, a pulsar is a passive shield tanks best friend, but for an armor tanker, is not. Evewiki has a page that lists the effects of the star based on the class of the wormhole.
Do not go AFK in a wormhole unless safely behind a POS shield. I've ran to the bathroom while finishing up salvaging a site to return to a battleship tearing my poor drake apart. ON the other hand, I've also stumbled upon frigates that have no business being in a WH, sitting AFK. I managed to kill one and the pod using a BC, while this person was right next to the wormhole exit. That should never happen.
Hacking sites will have spawns. I've seen a few in Hi and Low sec where either the rats take a while to spawn, or don't spawn at all. This is never the case in a WH.
Sleeper drones can and will switch targets at will. This means you cannot warp into a location, hold agro and let your buddy in a frigate come help. The drones can and will switch to your buddy. However, if you find you need the briefest moment of respite from their damage, pop your drones, then recall them once the locks on you break.
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Induc
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Anthal C3's are much more difficult, but can still be done solo in a drake.
Fixed... And I'm not sure it's worth it, since with that tank on a drake you'll have very low dps.
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Bank Cashier
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Induc
Originally by: Anthal C3's are much more difficult, but can still be done solo in a drake.
Fixed... And I'm not sure it's worth it, since with that tank on a drake you'll have very low dps.
I do em with 2 drakes, but both are pure combat fitted, well 1 has a probe launcher+cloak while the other has just a cloak. Because I have a 3rd alt that runs in after they are done and salvages. I really can't see anybody getting a decent profit/hr solo in a drake, with 2 drakes I manage but I even have to warp 1 out sometimes during the mega burst 600-700dps waves.
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Anthal
The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Induc
Originally by: Anthal C3's are much more difficult, but can still be done solo in a drake.
Fixed... And I'm not sure it's worth it, since with that tank on a drake you'll have very low dps.
There are other BC ships that can solo C3's. The drake just the lowest barrier for entry. And just because it can be done doesn't mean it's worthwhile, but some people are interested in more than the money ;)
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weebil
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:09:00 -
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Your phoon should be good for class 3s....and you usually fit a cloak anyways and seem to be good with the d-scan, so keep doing what you are doing in low sec. Drones get eaten up pretty quick, so take more attention than normal. Personally I only set them on frigs that get close to me so i can get them back almost immediately. Anomolies are profitable...depending if the salvage god smiles on you but has been said can be easy to scan.
Cheers for leaving the last room of crimson hand for me last week. Was worth well over 400m isk
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:32:00 -
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Quote:
-Spam directional. I can scan down a BC in under 30 seconds. You'll have 6 to 10 HACs/Recons/HICs/CS on top of you not long after, and we will not let your pod escape.
Reason #1 why I stopped missioning in low sec and left WHs: spamming 1 button is so annoying I CBA to do it.
One day maybe at CCP they'll notice how since 1980 the videogames implemented "blips" on radar and similar non ret4rded features to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome. I even got familiar affinity for catching that disease.
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xXaRaXx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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-Spam directional. I can scan down a BC in under 30 seconds. You'll have 6 to 10 HACs/Recons/HICs/CS on top of you not long after, and we will not let your pod escape.
Reason #1 why I stopped missioning in low sec and left WHs: spamming 1 button is so annoying I CBA to do it.
One day maybe at CCP they'll notice how since 1980 the videogames implemented "blips" on radar and similar non ret4rded features to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome. I even got familiar affinity for catching that disease.
Hmm you got a point. Kinda wierd that spaceships dont use Radar ! :S
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:08:00 -
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You can also use the WH to move to a new low sec region. I've had some decent luck with that. Heck, I pulled a worm BPC out of a random highsec system that I had a link WH to.
It takes patience. I remember getting frustrated when I couldn't find anything in sinq highsec, well duh, it's busy getting scanned by everyone else. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE:
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Bartolomeo Colleoni
Caldari Lone Star Exploration
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Posted - 2010.03.24 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: xXaRaXx
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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-Spam directional. I can scan down a BC in under 30 seconds. You'll have 6 to 10 HACs/Recons/HICs/CS on top of you not long after, and we will not let your pod escape.
Reason #1 why I stopped missioning in low sec and left WHs: spamming 1 button is so annoying I CBA to do it.
One day maybe at CCP they'll notice how since 1980 the videogames implemented "blips" on radar and similar non ret4rded features to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome. I even got familiar affinity for catching that disease.
Hmm you got a point. Kinda wierd that spaceships dont use Radar ! :S
Takes quite a bit longer than a couple of seconds for a Radar signal to travel 14AU's and back.
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Kara scott
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:38:00 -
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how tough are the rats in WH anomalies compared to missions?
Am i gonna be in for a shock if Im used to doing level 3's in 0.5 systems?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.24 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/03/2010 10:54:22
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Takes quite a bit longer than a couple of seconds for a Radar signal to travel 14AU's and back.
Well, if we stuck on realism... what is the directional scanner using? Considering the technologies expressly mentioned in EvE (Ladar, Radar etc) don't look *that* futuristic and most of all, none of them seem to be able to bypass the "c" constant, speed wise.
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how tough are the rats in WH anomalies compared to missions?
Am i gonna be in for a shock if Im used to doing level 3's in 0.5 systems?
If you try C1 WHs (the entry levels) you could find them harder but still comparable. Everything else steamrolls both L3 and L4 in risk, and often also in difficulty. If you fly Gallente, it's worse as the WH NPC AI happily switches to killing the drones with ease. - Auditing & consulting
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Ulwithy Arillious
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Posted - 2010.03.24 21:52:00 -
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Another point of note: if you're in a cosmic anomoly (the 100% sites), people wont need probes to find you and lay an ambush. Directional and the ship's scanner are enough, or even probes launched and scanning from out of range.
Most people will salvage with an alt while they run the next site, and even if I don't think I can take their ships, I can still kill and grab the goods from their loot-dessie.
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