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Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:30:00 - [1] All the Learning skills (except Learning itself) has a companion skill. (i.e. Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory) [Proposal] Add companion learning skill to the Learning Skill. Call it "Advanced learning" or "University Learning" (It doesnt matter the name, just the result.) Make this skill on par with other advanced companion learning skills. 3x Learning time multiplier. 2% faster learning per level.
Di Mulle	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:35:00 - [2] Learning skills are widely, including CCP itself, recognized as a wrong step which unfortunately is too late to take back. But why on earth you want to make that mistake even bigger...
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:40:00 - [3] While I don't necessarily think that learning skills are, in and of themselves, a waste of time, adding another learning skill is defiantely not the way to get faster training. We have enough learning skills. If you want faster training, I'd rather see them open up an Advanced Cybernetics skill that allows for better attribute implants (perhaps all the way up to +10). --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:00:00 - [4] Not supported. Eve would be better without learning skills at all, not having more of them to train.
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Bagehi Not supported. Eve would be better without learning skills at all, not having more of them to train. You already have your learning skill at 4 or 5 dont you, so how is this any skin off your nose?
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:25:00 - [6] you want faster training? get a set of +5s. not supported. (and yes i got all existing learning skills at 5. helps when you get podded now and then.)
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:55:00 - [7] Originally by: De'Veldrin While I don't necessarily think that learning skills are, in and of themselves, a waste of time, adding another learning skill is defiantely not the way to get faster training. We have enough learning skills. If you want faster training, I'd rather see them open up an Advanced Cybernetics skill that allows for better attribute implants (perhaps all the way up to +10). This. And thank you (OP) sooo much for opening up a can of worms topic... here comes the Learning Skills suxxorz crowd. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Vespoi Filar	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan All the Learning skills (except Learning itself) has a companion skill. (i.e. Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory) [Proposal] Add companion learning skill to the Learning Skill. Call it "Advanced learning" or "University Learning" (It doesnt matter the name, just the result.) Make this skill on par with other advanced companion learning skills. 3x Learning time multiplier. 2% faster learning per level. I finished my learning skills 2 years ago. If you make me train a new one I will fly over to you and POD you back to the Character Generation screen!
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:00:00 - [9] I have a better learning skill for you: How 'bout a skill which you train that would make it so you didn't have to train learning skills? That'd be awesome. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Vespoi Filar Originally by: Delenne Sheridan All the Learning skills (except Learning itself) has a companion skill. (i.e. Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory) [Proposal] Add companion learning skill to the Learning Skill. Call it "Advanced learning" or "University Learning" (It doesnt matter the name, just the result.) Make this skill on par with other advanced companion learning skills. 3x Learning time multiplier. 2% faster learning per level. I finished my learning skills 2 years ago. If you make me train a new one I will fly over to you and POD you back to the Character Generation screen! IOW, you have yours, screw everyone else....
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:19:00 - [11] Put the +6 and +7 implants into the game. They are already in the database.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.03.26 20:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan IOW, you have yours, screw everyone else.... How on earth is adding more learning skills going to help you lower the amount of learning skills you have to train? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.26 21:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Originally by: Bagehi Not supported. Eve would be better without learning skills at all, not having more of them to train. You already have your learning skill at 4 or 5 dont you, so how is this any skin off your nose? I would rather lose the million plus SP I have in learning skills, if it meant the removal of all learning skills, than have another learning skill added. Skin off my nose? I don't want to have to waste time training another skill that has no other purpose in-game than to create another hurdle for new characters to work on. It provides no benefit to new players (who will have to spend more time training skills to train skills) and no benefit to existing players (who have spent time training skills without it).
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Bagehi I would rather lose the million plus SP I have in learning skills, if it meant the removal of all learning skills, than have another learning skill added. Skin off my nose? I don't want to have to waste time training another skill that has no other purpose in-game than to create another hurdle for new characters to work on. It provides no benefit to new players (who will have to spend more time training skills to train skills) and no benefit to existing players (who have spent time training skills without it). [/quote 1)make training time 10% faster for new players and 2)since it wouldnt effect you at all, what exactly is your complaint about it again?
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.03.26 22:11:00 - [15] Make training time 10% faster for new players? Are you dumb or something? They already receive a 100% skill training speed bonus until they hit 1.6mil SP. STOP ****ING POSTING. ___
Delenne Sheridan	Posted - 2010.03.26 23:16:00 - [16] Edited by: Delenne Sheridan on 26/03/2010 23:16:12 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Make training time 10% faster for new players? Are you dumb or something? They already receive a 100% skill training speed bonus until they hit 1.6mil SP. STOP ****ING POSTING. That would hurt you how? You would get the bonus as well, if you wanted it. Its zero sum at worst.
Komi Toran	Posted - 2010.03.27 08:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Edited by: Delenne Sheridan on 26/03/2010 23:16:12 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Make training time 10% faster for new players? Are you dumb or something? They already receive a 100% skill training speed bonus until they hit 1.6mil SP. STOP ****ING POSTING. That would hurt you how? You would get the bonus as well, if you wanted it. Its zero sum at worst. 1) It wouldn't help new players at all, because they would have to TRAIN IT first. 2) It would annoy old players by having them spend a week and half training something that doesn't actually let them play the game any better. 3) Poker is a zero sum game, and there are definitely winners and losers. So, in conclusion, it's a bad idea and you don't know what you're talking about.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.27 12:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Delenne Sheridan Originally by: Vespoi Filar Originally by: Delenne Sheridan All the Learning skills (except Learning itself) has a companion skill. (i.e. Instant Recall has Eidetic Memory) [Proposal] Add companion learning skill to the Learning Skill. Call it "Advanced learning" or "University Learning" (It doesnt matter the name, just the result.) Make this skill on par with other advanced companion learning skills. 3x Learning time multiplier. 2% faster learning per level. I finished my learning skills 2 years ago. If you make me train a new one I will fly over to you and POD you back to the Character Generation screen! IOW, you have yours, screw everyone else.... Huh how did you get that idea? Me personally (and many others) would be in favour of just removing all learning skills and changing the attributes so they are on lvl 5 for everyone (or 5 basic 4 advanced, or only remove the advanced ones). This would effectively only hurt the people who already trained those skills, so myself. Just because it wouldnt help me in any way doesnt mean i cant see that we would be better off without them.
Capt LucaS	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:25:00 - [19] Edited by: Capt LucaS on 27/03/2010 15:31:21 The learning skill tree is just fine, in my humble opinion. Back in the day..you started out with nothing. I agree no more addions to learning area of the tree, directly. Of course as new tech is introduced, yes training to related skills. may be required. THE learning Skill tree is necessary. Its what makes this game different an superior to all other games. It the big difference. Remove the learning curve, would destroy the debth this game has. EVE set the mark high upon the tree of Knowledge, So far, no other game has come close to what EVE is. If you want a Lotor type game, with no real skill training required, then go play STO an LOTR. but leave EVE alone. If you are not up to the task, get out of the sand box. ALL EVE needs is full surface worlds access, like in SWG, to walk around on, with catinas to go into, to watch naked dancers to heal our sic minds. If u can't woop a guy in space, then kill him on the ground or in a bar. More women would play eve, if they could strut about in attractive gear. Expand skill tree to meet the new tech requirements, as it developes. Don't speed it up, but allow training 3 skills at same time, at same speed as 1 skills, with maybe a isk penalty.
Capt LucaS	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:43:00 - [20] Leave it to a LIBERAL minded Galente player, to want everything with out earning it. lol Removing the skill tree would ruin the game. EVE is not a mindless shooter. The skill tree is a important part of the over all game of EVE. If you are a lazy player, don't want to earn your bones, then EVE is not for you. Just beam out, and leave the sand box alone. Anybody that talks about doing to EVE what was done to Star WArs galaxy, should be set to red right away, and a Plex card bounty placed on their head... Im joking of course. EVE is not broken. IN EVE u get nothing for nothing. Like real life, U learn, then Earn.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.27 15:47:00 - [21] I'm gonna make a new proposal, 'CCP should remove all learning skills from game at next downtime'.. CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D
OwlManAtt Gallente Dreddit	Posted - 2010.03.27 19:00:00 - [22] Edited by: OwlManAtt on 27/03/2010 19:00:02 Originally by: Capt LucaS Edited by: Capt LucaS on 27/03/2010 15:31:21 The learning skill tree is just fine Fanfest 2009 NPE talk, position 38:35. CCP acknowledges that learning skills are a terrifyingly bad idea and they require removal/severe training time nerf/some other nerf. Also, not supported. The last thing we need are more learning skills. Three months of training is already way too long. --- Owl
Kalamator Minmatar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2010.03.28 02:59:00 - [23] I like this idea. I don't understand why people are so against training learning skills - it's not like you are forced to 'waste your time' training these skills - just don't train them if you don't like them It seems to me that a lot of players want the siege tanks and other end-game apps w/out putting in the time pooling your resources, to borrow from Starcraft. I support a skill that speeds up my training even more. I'm in this game for the long-haul
Komi Toran	Posted - 2010.03.28 06:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Kalamator I don't understand why people are so against training learning skills - it's not like you are forced to 'waste your time' training these skills - just don't train them if you don't like them Nope, it just forces you to choose between being smart and bored, or being stupid and having fun. As people don't like being stupid or bored, you lose no matter which option you pick.
Nico Terces Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.28 11:36:00 - [25] Not supported.
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2010.03.28 22:09:00 - [26] this is a pretty selfishly obvious let me translate the op "I dont care if my idea wastes all your previous training time so long as it benifits me right now"
Ryunosuke Kusanagi	Posted - 2010.03.28 23:46:00 - [27] how about a counter-proposal: take all the learning skills out, give all characters max stats off the bat, and have a pool to redistribute the skill points? face it, for the first 3-6 months of the game is little more than flying around your racial frigate while you are learning said skills. this means that maxed characters, those with all 7 mil learning skill points (you know who you are) keep the base stats they have, most other characters that have 4 points in each skill gets a 1 point boost to said stats. 1-2 points in each stat shouldn't be unbalancing. Put the skill points into a pool to be redistributed, this way, those 3-6 months are not gone to waste.
lookatzebirdie	Posted - 2010.04.01 19:17:00 - [28] scrap learning skills altogether, the single most annoying/frustrating barrier to fun gameplay this game has for the new player and totally unnecessary. considering the already steep learning curve in this game, forcing players to train skills that give no benefit other than faster training later on is a real kick in the teeth vis a vis the "new player experience". what's more is it seems to punish those players who will be more likely to commit to LONG SUBSCRIPTIONS more severely as they will be more likely to commit to training the full skills right off the bat if they intend their character to have a long and fruitful life....why do CCP wish to punish these players ? get rid of the skills, set everyone to max level and redistribute the spare SPs to those that trained them, I fail to see how anyone could disagree with this. New players do not go thru weeks of boredom, old players get to insta train BS V or cap ship skills or smth it's win win
Kiri Serrensun	Posted - 2010.04.01 19:30:00 - [29] Originally by: OwlManAtt Edited by: OwlManAtt on 27/03/2010 19:00:02 Originally by: Capt LucaS Edited by: Capt LucaS on 27/03/2010 15:31:21 The learning skill tree is just fine Fanfest 2009 NPE talk, position 38:35. CCP acknowledges that learning skills are a terrifyingly bad idea and they require removal/severe training time nerf/some other nerf. As a player who wasted time training them, Originally by: Kalamator I like this idea. I don't understand why people are so against training learning skills - it's not like you are forced to 'waste your time' training these skills - just don't train them if you don't like them For a long-term character, they're trivial compared to points in any other category. The problem is that for best results, you need to train them first thing--that is, when you're getting into the game. So if you train skills that let you do fun stuff right now, you hamper yourself in the long run. So you end up with new players being advised to be bored at the stage where boredom is most likely to lose CCP an account that helps pay for your fun. Skills that serve no purpose except a speedbump are bad design, and putting them at the start is terrible design. In other areas, timesink skills (Battleship 5, Advanced Spaceship Command 5, Anchoring 5, etc) only come at a later stage, as a prelude to specialising in something optional. Yes, blah blah EVE is XTREEEEME gb2wow blah blah, please get your e-wang out of my face.
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.04.01 20:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Sokratesz I'm gonna make a new proposal, 'CCP should remove all learning skills from game at next downtime'.. /support.

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