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Shrike Arghast
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:27:00 -
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While I'm not technically -new- to EVE (I first started playing over 4 years ago, and have been an off-and-on members since then), I certainly joined the fray long after launch.
One thing that has always perplexed me is Jita. Why is Jita the 'center' of the EVE universe? Is there something special about it? Or was there once something special about it? It seems relatively unremarkable to me... 0.9 empire space... a lot of stations... but nothing really beyond that.
While I'm aware than honest queries tend to generate a lot of sarcastic response on this forum, I hope that at least a few people could enlighten me about Jita.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:35:00 -
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Good question actually, i've often wondered it myself tbh.
I started playing in 2004 and i don't really remember there being such a definitive trade hub then but with only a little isk i wasn't buy that often anyway. What i do remember thinking though was the Yulai had a lot of activity, if not on the markets, then certainly just in pilot count.
I have also heard that on the Chinese server, Serenity, that the trade hub became Jita simply because they knew it was Jita on Tranquility, so there was no genuine reason aside from that.
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Ruziel
Minmatar Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:43:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jita
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Shrike Arghast
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shrike Arghast on 27/03/2010 04:47:46 I find this quote interesting:
Quote: 'Because of its high volume of users, Jita has historically had severe performance issues, especially on Sunday nights, where server user counts grew to their largest numbers. The number of pilots goes over 1000 in the system on Sunday nights.'
Why, of all days, Sunday?
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Aliraxi
Gallente Cow Boys From HeII High Treason Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shrike Arghast Edited by: Shrike Arghast on 27/03/2010 04:47:46 I find this quote interesting:
Quote: 'Because of its high volume of users, Jita has historically had severe performance issues, especially on Sunday nights, where server user counts grew to their largest numbers. The number of pilots goes over 1000 in the system on Sunday nights.'
Why, of all days, Sunday?
Because thats when most people play?
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Ruziel
Minmatar Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2010.03.27 05:06:00 -
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Because its where the GMT and US weekends overlap.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.27 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Thresh Avery
I have also heard that on the Chinese server, Serenity, that the trade hub became Jita simply because they knew it was Jita on Tranquility, so there was no genuine reason aside from that.
curious, as on serenity, as far as i know, the server is virtually identical - no missions and belt in jita..
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.03.27 06:38:00 -
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After the super highways were removed, Yulai was no longer much of anything. Jita on the other hand is a giant crossroads in Caldari space (which has a HUGE population), and used to have a lot of belts (which have been removed), mission agents, ect. Now its used just because thats where the market is, and everyone knows that Jita is the place to go.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2010.03.27 15:52:00 -
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It used to be that gate travel from one race's empire to another would always take you through a system called Yulai. This created a large local population there just from passers-thru. This traffic attracted merchants who set up the best-stocked market in Traquility in the stations there. This market in turn attracted yet more traffic.
This traffic caused server instability as CCP had not yet implemented the changes that now allow Jita to remain stable at such high populations. As a stop-gap measure, CCP changed the routing of the "Supergate Highway" so instead of 1 primary hub ( Yulai ), there would be travel 4 hubs, 1 in each empire. I personally think that CCP had hoped this might create 4 separate and competing market hubs, but this is only conjecture.
As I recall it, there were many wealthy merchants who were not happy simply allowing the architects of the superhighway to dictate their fate. They carefully selected Jita as their new home, and moved their markets there. They chose it for many reasons, and all these years later, it would appear they chose well, as it not only survives, but thrives even today.
So in the end, CCP did force a movement of the existing market hub by routing traffic away from the Yulai, but in the end the players chose to remain consolidated in one system, and players chose the location.
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Polaris Lumine
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:27:00 -
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It wasn't always like this from what I remember back in 04/05. In those days it was the travel hubs which caused all the problems (Yulai, Pator, few others).
I think Jita became popular because there were a lot of high-quality level 3 and 4 agents there at one point and so lots of mission loot was traded there. Not now of course because the system is now so over populated you wouldn't be able to run any missions there. Not sure why it's still so popular. It's got the most unusable Local in eve I reckon
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DmitryEKT
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Lumine It's got the most unusable Local in eve I reckon
If you're speaking in local, you're doing it wrong.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
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Euyis
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Posted - 2010.03.27 16:55:00 -
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Does the high number of stations (5) with manufacturing installations also contribute to the success of Jita?
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Euyis Does the high number of stations (5) with manufacturing installations also contribute to the success of Jita?
Would it hurt?
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Jagaroth
Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.27 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jagaroth on 27/03/2010 20:37:18 Edited by: Jagaroth on 27/03/2010 20:36:06 I think a number of factors listed in that article were important, but it missed some connections:
Before the Asian bloodlines were introduced the most popular choice for Caucasian males playing EVE was Caldari (usually Deteis). Those players generally started life in Kisogo so Jita was a natural destination for any noobs who went down the mission-running path to make their first million isk. The CN agents in 4-4 were low-quality and - importantly - ran in sequence from level 1 to level 3 (iirc) so provided continuity.
Throw in all the other factors and you see why it was popular (it even had an ice belt at one stage). It was already a regional hub before they changed the highway system, with more pilots then than any other regional hub now (mission running had become difficult by mid 2005).
It seemed fairly logical that it would only get busier when Yulai was sidelined... and that's what happened.
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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2010.03.28 00:16:00 -
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The truth is stranger than fiction:
Jita use to have free cookies. No longer, but the crowd remains.
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w1ndstrike
Honored By Death
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Posted - 2010.03.28 07:43:00 -
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as far as the mission running hub turning to trade hub theory goes, you can see similar things happening in sinq laison in dodixie, where one of the highest-quality L4 agents the federation navy has became the regional trade hub.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2010.03.28 08:34:00 -
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Didn't somebody work out that Jita is more or less the centre of the gate network?
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Baneken
Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius Didn't somebody work out that Jita is more or less the centre of the gate network?
Not really, on these days you can get from empire to empire in about 20jumps no matter where you happen to be but Jita is conveniently close to most alliances operating near borders of empire space (0.0).
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.03.28 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Euyis Does the high number of stations (5) with manufacturing installations also contribute to the success of Jita?
Sure it'll help but on the scale of Jita, 5 stations worth of manufacturing is nothing
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.28 12:45:00 -
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Many players, including myself, were lured into playing Caldari pilots since one of the original descriptions stated something about being "bounty hunters". Kisogo was (not sure if it still is) the starting system and was one jump away from Jita - a prime Caldari agents' home system. There were some high quality agents within Jita 4-4's walls that attracted people to work the Caldari Navy faction in hopes of one day being offered the Caldari Battleship skill book with a loyalty points trade-in. Jita is nearly centered in a large region of high security space in The Forge with nearby jumps into Lonetrek, Sinq Laison, and The Citadel regions. Adventuring further out leads to various areas of null security space.
So with a large number of players, Jita slowly evolved into the market hub from all the mission goods being sold. Both Amarr and Oursulaert seem to be about evenly distanced away from Jita, so potential sales are lured to the largest potential market. When I first started and did not know better (still don't know better, but besides the point), Minmatar players appeared to be far and few. Add that Rens is quite a distance away, making a trip without the ability to warp to zero made such trips a daunting task. And if the old memory still fires correctly, freighter ships were not available yet. So to haul some modules all that distance in hopes of a sale were not advised.
So that's my slice of history. Why Jita remained a central hub in this day and age is open for debate.
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Suz1
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Posted - 2010.04.01 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper Many players, including myself, were lured into playing Caldari pilots since one of the original descriptions stated something about being "bounty hunters". Kisogo was (not sure if it still is) the starting system and was one jump away from Jita - a prime Caldari agents' home system. There were some high quality agents within Jita 4-4's walls that attracted people to work the Caldari Navy faction in hopes of one day being offered the Caldari Battleship skill book with a loyalty points trade-in. Jita is nearly centered in a large region of high security space in The Forge with nearby jumps into Lonetrek, Sinq Laison, and The Citadel regions. Adventuring further out leads to various areas of null security space.
So with a large number of players, Jita slowly evolved into the market hub from all the mission goods being sold. Both Amarr and Oursulaert seem to be about evenly distanced away from Jita, so potential sales are lured to the largest potential market. When I first started and did not know better (still don't know better, but besides the point), Minmatar players appeared to be far and few. Add that Rens is quite a distance away, making a trip without the ability to warp to zero made such trips a daunting task. And if the old memory still fires correctly, freighter ships were not available yet. So to haul some modules all that distance in hopes of a sale were not advised.
So that's my slice of history. Why Jita remained a central hub in this day and age is open for debate.
This ^^
Used to be, when the beginning tutorial agent was through with you, he'd refer you to some nearby, random level 1 mission agent. My first toon was refered to the level 1 agent at Jita 4-4. Once there, there were agents level 1-3 all at the one station, and enough missioners and manufacturers there, I could buy and completly outfit ships right there. No reason to even go anywhere else for a while.
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THISISNT NAM
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:46:00 -
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Now, like a snowball rolling down hill, Jita will continute to grow and grow, dominating more and more of the Eve market. Despite CCP's efforts to nerf Jita and encourage more market hubs, becuase of the Network Effect, in ten years we'll be jacking into Jita to buy Tech 5 ships and Ringworld components.
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SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:57:00 -
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It is Caldari's plan in defeating its enemy's in the war. All the selling, all the tax, right into the Caldari war effort, they are planning something big with all that isk at their disposal. Dun-duun-duuuunnnnnnn. --------------------------------------------
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.01 13:45:00 -
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I see all of those "noble" reasons. Now let's add the pragmatic ones all know but don't talk about.
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So in the end, CCP did force a movement of the existing market hub by routing traffic away from the Yulai, but in the end the players chose to remain consolidated in one system, and players chose the location.
Players just did what the huge crowds do: path of least resistance and inertia as selection criteria.
Caldari characters in the old system used to:
- be the quickest to train for PvE => L4 money making.
- be the quickest and min maxed for research.
- be good for production (I don't recall if they were the best).
- Male caldaris looked ugly though.
- The combat missions yield the highest income. The starting place was nearby.
- Nice plus, close by manufacturing facilities, large station without "pull out" effect and close planet aligned to be a natural instant undock.
Result: ziribillions of female Caldari pilots, therefore the "reference hub" would be some central place in Caldari empire, preferably belonging to a combat missions corporation.
Jita is at a natural center of missioning hubs, ice fields. Got conveniently close to low sec (see Hek). It had its agents and belts afaik.
A station in particular belongs to "combat missions" corporation, is large, does not pull ships away and has a nice planet providing for natural instant undock.
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