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Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:52:00 -
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Anyone have any good areas to look for to salvage in low sec space? Also, how do I find mission areas that other people are in for ninja salvaging? |

Keno Skir
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:54:00 -
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You scan the ships down with combat probes and warp to their mission sites. You might find salvage in belts in lowsec and nul, but better off salvaging peoples mission sites instead  The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:56:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:You scan the ships down with combat probes and warp to their mission sites. You might find salvage in belts in lowsec and nul, but better off salvaging peoples mission sites instead 
People rarely mission in Low and they can also shoot you without being concorded. Better to try and ninja-salvage in high. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:59:00 -
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I see, I use scanning probes at the moment, so I expect there is another type to pick up player controlled ships? And I mentioned low sec as some have told me that is where the best stuff usually is. Wont salvaging in hi sec get me flagged or something? |

Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
93
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:04:00 -
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Combat Scanning Probes are required to find player ships. These can only be launched from an Expanded Probe Launcher.
In hi-sec, you will only be flagged if you take the loot from the wreck. Salvaging the wreck will turn it into a can that the owner can still loot. |

TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:11:00 -
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You won't get flagged for salvaging anywhere. There's no penalty for it. People used to rage cry and send hate mail over it but you won't get any of that either, because the most you're stealing from them these days is like 500k-2mil.. at the most you'll make about 1-2mil for every hour you invest in ninja salvaging which is why it's an obsolete profession. The guides for ninja salvaging were all written before the noctis reared its ugly head in 2011 smashing the price of salvage into the ground. If you're wanting to make isk your best bet is to not waste your time/sp on salvaging as it has become an obsolete profession producing very little tears or isk.
and you need combat probes to scan a player, you might get lucky and loot their objective, and sell it as a contract... still a huge time sink for the 5 or mil so u will sell the objective for if your lucky, and maybe get a hate mail but the time you'll invest theres much more lucrative things u could be doing.. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:15:00 -
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TEABO BAGGINS wrote:You won't get flagged for salvaging anywhere. There's no penalty for it. People used to rage cry and send hate mail over it but you won't get any of that either, because the most you're stealing from them these days is like 500k-2mil.. at the most you'll make about 1-2mil for every hour you invest in ninja salvaging which is why it's an obsolete profession. The guides for ninja salvaging were all written before the noctis reared its ugly head in 2011 smashing the price of salvage into the ground. If you're wanting to make isk your best bet is to not waste your time/sp on salvaging as it has become an obsolete profession producing very little tears or isk.
and you need combat probes to scan a player, you might get lucky and loot their objective, and sell it as a contract... still a huge time sink for the 5 or mil so u will sell the objective for if your lucky, and maybe get a hate mail but the time you'll invest theres much more lucrative things u could be doing..
Wow, Im glad you said this as I could have wasted valuable time. I still have to believe there is something still lucrative about it. Are the salvage components only used for rigs? What about going to places where there are huge battles taking place/or have taken place?
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Zoe Athame
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
93
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:51:00 -
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Lord Arakkis wrote:TEABO BAGGINS wrote:You won't get flagged for salvaging anywhere. There's no penalty for it. People used to rage cry and send hate mail over it but you won't get any of that either, because the most you're stealing from them these days is like 500k-2mil.. at the most you'll make about 1-2mil for every hour you invest in ninja salvaging which is why it's an obsolete profession. The guides for ninja salvaging were all written before the noctis reared its ugly head in 2011 smashing the price of salvage into the ground. If you're wanting to make isk your best bet is to not waste your time/sp on salvaging as it has become an obsolete profession producing very little tears or isk.
and you need combat probes to scan a player, you might get lucky and loot their objective, and sell it as a contract... still a huge time sink for the 5 or mil so u will sell the objective for if your lucky, and maybe get a hate mail but the time you'll invest theres much more lucrative things u could be doing.. Wow, Im glad you said this as I could have wasted valuable time. I still have to believe there is something still lucrative about it. Are the salvage components only used for rigs? What about going to places where there are huge battles taking place/or have taken place?
The victor will generally shoot you if you're still there or salvage it themselves. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:21:00 -
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Ok I got ya. Get in, salvage and get out quick lol |

Praxis Ginimic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:50:00 -
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Looks like u haven't been around much longer than I have and even small fry-ninja loot is still worth the isk for young players like us. Later on when we're replacing larger ships with t2 fits it won't be worth the time. |

Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
108
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:04:00 -
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A couple million for 15-20 minutes of work isn't terrible for a really new player.
Basically high-sec ninja salvaging is good practice if you're looking to go into exploration later (learning to probe things down quickly is a life skill, yo). Don't expect it to be a good source of income past your first, say, month of play-time, though. It's up to replacing your T1 frigates, but probably not your T2 frigates or T1 cruisers.
And like everyone else has said, stay out of low/null sec if you're going to intentionally antagonize people in a ship that's basically unarmed, they can shoot you back there (and will probably just shoot you on general principle even if you aren't being annoying). |

Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
70
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:38:00 -
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If your salvaging in low sec check the website dotlan for ships destroyed.
More ships destroyed means greater chance for either capital ship death or tech II hull death in that system.
Thats where the money salvage is. Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:19:00 -
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Well all the input here really got me set on what I need to do. So last night I fit a catalyst with miners, cargo capacity and other things. But the single MOST important thing that helped me was something I would have never thought of...
Fixing my overview settings. I was guided through a tut that put one bit of info up that I really needed and didnt have: Mission areas. I couldnt see them before, and only found them doing my own missions.
So that added with the input here I was able to make just over 1.5mil in under 30 minutes. For an early player like me, very helpful.
Thanks again everyone. |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
154
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:25:00 -
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I agree with the above posters that the risk/reward for ninja-salvaging in low isn't there, stick to high.
If you ARE going to salvage in low, make sure you fly fast and cheap. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:31:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:I agree with the above posters that the risk/reward for ninja-salvaging in low isn't there, stick to high.
If you ARE going to salvage in low, make sure you fly fast and cheap.
Indeed. I built a Navitas to use in low sec that can get out of dodge quickly if needed. But Im going to stick to hi sec for a moment |

Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
71
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:42:00 -
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Atron fits the same number of slavagers has smaller sig, faster top speed and more agile. Same cost.
Only difference is the the navitas can pack more cargo, but most valuable salvage is pretty small.
Dont rule low sec out if your smart you can drop your risk in those areas huge amounts and get great pay out.
Just got to keep an eye on local and dscan. Youll be all right. Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 22:59:00 -
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Lyric Lahnder wrote:Atron fits the same number of slavagers has smaller sig, faster top speed and more agile. Same cost.
Only difference is the the navitas can pack more cargo, but most valuable salvage is pretty small.
Dont rule low sec out if your smart you can drop your risk in those areas huge amounts and get great pay out.
Just got to keep an eye on local and dscan. Youll be all right.
I fully plan to take advantage of this info. I will need to get used to doing the local and dscans as I have only been in low sec a couple times, one of which to test out PVP where I was brutally annihlated..with a smiley face to send me on my way. But Im thinking I can fit my ship with certain mods to keep me relatively safe in pvp space. (maybe anti warp scramblers, cloaking devices, mwdrives?) Say what you want about forums and trolls, EVE forums have been good to me |

Terrant Felder
e-L00T Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 00:09:00 -
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Quote:But Im thinking I can fit my ship with certain mods to keep me relatively safe in pvp space. (maybe anti warp scramblers, cloaking devices, mwdrives?)
There are definitely things you can do to avoid getting caught in low-sec. However, it has been the experience of many (myself included) that simply filling up your ship's precious slots with resource-hogging modules designed to counteract jamming/scramming/pewpew can be counterproductive, and actually can mean more trouble for you from hardened PvPers. You have to generally learn the skills to operate these modules, and they tend to gobble up resources (usually CPU, which can be tight, especially for frigates using Salvager I or Tractor Beam mods).
The best words of advice for Eve:
1.) You're going to lose ships. 2.) Don't fly ships you can't afford to lose.
In the end of the day, it's better to lose a cheap ship you can easily replace and say "oh well!" to and walk away from, than to pimp out your awesomest ride imaginable with all sorts of shinies and then watch as it goes kablooey anyway.
Keep an eye on D-scan and Local. Learn to align to nearest safe-spot/bookmark/jump-gate.
Granted, I'm not the most experienced pilot, and I'm sure others know more, but that's my 0.02 isk. Common sense works better than most (if not all) of the fancy mods you can cram onto your ship.
Fly safe! o/ |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:22:00 -
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Terrant Felder wrote:Quote:But Im thinking I can fit my ship with certain mods to keep me relatively safe in pvp space. (maybe anti warp scramblers, cloaking devices, mwdrives?) There are definitely things you can do to avoid getting caught in low-sec. However, it has been the experience of many (myself included) that simply filling up your ship's precious slots with resource-hogging modules designed to counteract jamming/scramming/pewpew can be counterproductive, and actually can mean more trouble for you from hardened PvPers. You have to generally learn the skills to operate these modules, and they tend to gobble up resources (usually CPU, which can be tight, especially for frigates using Salvager I or Tractor Beam mods). The best words of advice for Eve: 1.) You're going to lose ships. 2.) Don't fly ships you can't afford to lose. In the end of the day, it's better to lose a cheap ship you can easily replace and say "oh well!" to and walk away from, than to pimp out your awesomest ride imaginable with all sorts of shinies and then watch as it goes kablooey anyway. Keep an eye on D-scan and Local. Learn to align to nearest safe-spot/bookmark/jump-gate. Granted, I'm not the most experienced pilot, and I'm sure others know more, but that's my 0.02 isk. Common sense works better than most (if not all) of the fancy mods you can cram onto your ship. Fly safe! o/
Those were two of the first things ive learned early on, so like the first time I went into low sec, I just took a slightly kitted out Tristan which I lost near immediately. No skin off my nose as that was the intent. I do want to get to the point however where I can confidently take my Thorax into low sec and not be overly concerned with losing it due to either not paying attention or just not being cautious in general.
Say what you want about forums and trolls, EVE forums have been good to me |

Terrant Felder
e-L00T Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 02:01:00 -
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Then you've got it right and you should have a blast playing. 
I won't tell you all the stuff I did wrong...but there is one story that sticks in my mind. Confidence is one thing--but I got more than confident once...
Suffice it to say, I thought I was all smart and ready for lowsec ratting since I read up all these forums and helpful suggestions before even getting into the game. (Little did I know at the time, it's usually more lucrative to do missions than ratting lowsec).
Granted, it helped, but then I got a little too sure of myself one night (after single-handedly taking down an NPC battleship spawn in my Maller and thinking it was some amazing feat on my part). Now, taking down that BS was probably one of the funnest experiences I had in Eve up until that point, but it really made me overconfident. Couple of days later, in an 0.4 system while I was ratting, I stopped looking at Local and didn't bother aligning. Hurricane popped in, webbed, scrammed and blew me to bits. Then he podded me. I was flabbergasted. Learned the lesson well and stayed in highsec for a bit more to get my bearings better. I still have that player on my watch-list. It reminds me to be more careful every time I see his toon log on.
As a side point, believe it or not, nullsec evidently tends to actually be more forgiving than lowsec a lot of the time, though I have never ventured out into it. Been to a couple of wormholes though. That was more uneventful and less stressful than lowsec, in my experience, though if you spend enough time anywhere, you're bound to run into someone along the way who's intent on ruining your day and sending you back to highsec via the Podder Express, probably hoping and praying that you didn't update your clone while he's pushing the "Fire" button. 
Keep your clone updated!
Enjoy--that's the whole point!  |

Coral Theisman
Exploding Squirrels
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 02:15:00 -
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Before you enter the lowsec, check for the activity either in your ingame map, or even better in http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ . Choose the region you are in, and choose "Ship/Pod kills" or "Jumps" in upper right corner. It shows you the activity in last hour.
Grab your free rookie ship for scouting, and in case you fall into gate camp, just calmly select any celestial and keep pressing Warp To ... until your ship is destroyed. Your pod then warps immediately to said celestial. Obviously, as soon as you arrive, keep bouncing between celestials, or dock , or jump out from the system. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:43:00 -
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Terrant Felder wrote:Then you've got it right and you should have a blast playing.  I won't tell you all the stuff I did wrong...but there is one story that sticks in my mind. Confidence is one thing--but I got more than confident once... Suffice it to say, I thought I was all smart and ready for lowsec ratting since I read up all these forums and helpful suggestions before even getting into the game. (Little did I know at the time, it's usually more lucrative to do missions than ratting lowsec). Granted, it helped, but then I got a little too sure of myself one night (after single-handedly taking down an NPC battleship spawn in my Maller and thinking it was some amazing feat on my part). Now, taking down that BS was probably one of the funnest experiences I had in Eve up until that point, but it really made me overconfident. Couple of days later, in an 0.4 system while I was ratting, I stopped looking at Local and didn't bother aligning. Hurricane popped in, webbed, scrammed and blew me to bits. Then he podded me. I was flabbergasted. Learned the lesson well and stayed in highsec for a bit more to get my bearings better. I still have that player on my watch-list. It reminds me to be more careful every time I see his toon log on. As a side point, believe it or not, nullsec evidently tends to actually be more forgiving than lowsec a lot of the time, though I have never ventured out into it. Been to a couple of wormholes though. That was more uneventful and less stressful than lowsec, in my experience, though if you spend enough time anywhere, you're bound to run into someone along the way who's intent on ruining your day and sending you back to highsec via the Podder Express, probably hoping and praying that you didn't update your clone while he's pushing the "Fire" button.  Keep your clone updated! Enjoy--that's the whole point! 
HA thats great. I have yet to be pod killed, but I have been anal about checking my clone and making sure im withing the insurance. I have been to low sec in a throwaway just to test the waters, suffice to say I KNOW im not ready for that just yet. But when I am, when my core skills and competency of the space is up to par...jesus. The fun to be had is titallating. Ive been watching videos of EVE to no end. And ive tried to maintain self control when every urge tells me to take my non-optimized Thorax into low sec and attempt a ransom. But not yet...not yet...
Say what you want about forums and trolls, EVE forums have been good to me |

Praxis Ginimic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:33:00 -
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Lord Arakkis wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:I agree with the above posters that the risk/reward for ninja-salvaging in low isn't there, stick to high.
If you ARE going to salvage in low, make sure you fly fast and cheap. Indeed. I built a Navitas to use in low sec that can get out of dodge quickly if needed. But Im going to stick to hi sec for a moment
You fitted a navitas for ninja? I would love to see that fit. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:46:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Lord Arakkis wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:I agree with the above posters that the risk/reward for ninja-salvaging in low isn't there, stick to high.
If you ARE going to salvage in low, make sure you fly fast and cheap. Indeed. I built a Navitas to use in low sec that can get out of dodge quickly if needed. But Im going to stick to hi sec for a moment You fitted a navitas for ninja? I would love to see that fit.
LOL yea Ill check it out when I get home and post if for you. Hilariously myself and two corp mates ventured into 0.1 (one of us hadnt been outside of hi sec) and we fit intending to lose ships anyhow. Well, as soon as we entered, someone scanned us down, so we scattered to lose him, met up at a planet and one of the Navis went out to find an asteroid belt. I warned the newbie to low sec that sitting still isnt the best idea and no sooner than I said that did a player appear on my overview.
I screamed for him to jump, but he was in a bit of a daze and didnt catch it. So, I lol'd as the pirate microwarped to him while I was jumping out. Well, I went back in just to harrass the pirate long enough so that my partner could get away without getting pod killed. So, our other partner came too and we all got away. 2 in pods, and one in a Navi! lol Say what you want about forums and trolls, EVE forums have been good to me |

Major Trant
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:40:00 -
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I wouldn't bother trying to ninja salvage in either low or null sec. You will find it very difficult to scan down mission sites as most people will notice you come into system and get safe especially if you put out combat probes. That only leaves the belt rats but they aren't worth the effort for different reasons.
In low sec you will spend forever wandering from belt to belt looking in vein for salvage and only occassionally finding a few wreaks. Never worth the time.
In null sec you will find the rats respawning in the belts before you can salvage and you will not be able to tank the damage. You will also be actively hunted by the residences.
As one of the other posters above said Ninja Salvaging is effectively a dead profession due to the low returns nowadays. But if you are going to do it, unlike most other professions, the most profitable place to do it is high sec. Salvage is worth the same where ever you get it. There is no risk/reward penalty, it is all about quantity.
The best way to go about scanning down a mission site is to scan for drones. Look for clusters of 5 drones which indicates a larger ship and the Drones V skill which a L4 mission runner will have. You will often land on a group of 5 lost drones that you can scope. If they are T2 you're looking at 2-4M Isk in total. If you land on an acceleration gate you know the mission runner is still inside and then you can jump into the first room and go to town. If you only salvage, you are pretty safe, but few people will shoot at a ninja looter nowadays.
Note that scooping drone will not get you flagged as a looter. I've had some hilarious times with stealing peoples abandoned drones. |

Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:47:00 -
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Major Trant wrote:I wouldn't bother trying to ninja salvage in either low or null sec. You will find it very difficult to scan down mission sites as most people will notice you come into system and get safe especially if you put out combat probes. That only leaves the belt rats but they aren't worth the effort for different reasons.
In low sec you will spend forever wandering from belt to belt looking in vein for salvage and only occassionally finding a few wreaks. Never worth the time.
In null sec you will find the rats respawning in the belts before you can salvage and you will not be able to tank the damage. You will also be actively hunted by the residences.
As one of the other posters above said Ninja Salvaging is effectively a dead profession due to the low returns nowadays. But if you are going to do it, unlike most other professions, the most profitable place to do it is high sec. Salvage is worth the same where ever you get it. There is no risk/reward penalty, it is all about quantity.
The best way to go about scanning down a mission site is to scan for drones. Look for clusters of 5 drones which indicates a larger ship and the Drones V skill which a L4 mission runner will have. You will often land on a group of 5 lost drones that you can scope. If they are T2 you're looking at 2-4M Isk in total. If you land on an acceleration gate you know the mission runner is still inside and then you can jump into the first room and go to town. If you only salvage, you are pretty safe, but few people will shoot at a ninja looter nowadays.
Note that scooping drone will not get you flagged as a looter. I've had some hilarious times with stealing peoples abandoned drones.
Yes a lot of people told me low sec salvaging isnt really worth it. I just find it hard to think that I wouldnt make good money on player wrecks and some of the much larger ships that I so far dont see in high sec.
I just really want another source of income if I go low sec other than mining. Troll proof since...well...forever. |

Terrant Felder
e-L00T Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:22:00 -
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Lowsec has some really good rewards available. You just have to know what's currently the most profitable. This changes gradually (or sometimes suddenly) over time, as new features are added by CCP, or others are nerfed/buffed. One way to do this is to look on the forums, but generally take peoples' suggestions with a bit of (but not much) incredulity. There are some factors to consider:
- They might not want you around to spoil their fun. This is especially true with explorers, as the more people who are exploring their space, the fewer places they can go to find stuff to fight/hack/salvage.
- Stuff changes. What works and is profitable today might not necessarily work/be profitable tomorrow, as was said, because CCP sometimes likes to play around with the game. Or, sometimes the market fluctuates wildly. For instance, there could be a sudden spike in prices for salvageable materials because of something that happens in game, such as an alliance playing with the market because the leadership got bored. (Though this happens more often in the mineral market than just about anywhere else, it seems.)
- Just because it doesn't work for one person, doesn't mean it won't work for you. Everyone is different, with different strengths and weaknesses, or even tolerances for perceived boredom. They also have different talents. What one player has a problem making profitable, another player might excel at. Or they might be satisfied with the fun/income ratio. Some people deride miners for playing what they perceive is the most boring aspect of the game, and yet, nevertheless, there are a lot of people doing it, ostensibly because for them it's actually fun. I don't know why they think it's fun, but c'est la vie! I'd prefer level 3 mission running in a Sacrilege myself, simply because I play the game to relax and I just like to see stuff blow up with a modicum of effort expended.
PvP, unfortunately, isn't the most lucrative career you can get into to get yourself rich. You can ransom people their ships, but since people have become more suspicious of ransoming, as there are pirates who will take the ransom and then blow up the person and pod them anyway for the lulz, you might not get as much ransom as you might have years ago. You could consider joining a merc corporation, as that has the habit of providing some pew-pew and at the same time possibly giving you some money to work with as well, and some general safety, as you're in a gang and not roaming by yourself. If you want to loot the wrecks to find shinies, this is your prerogative, but, as was stated, salvage and loot isn't what it used to be right now, unfortunately. (Which is bad for my corporation, obviously. ) |
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