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Travesty T
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Posted - 2010.03.29 09:04:00 -
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Roughly how much would is cost to run a _)S in 0.7 sec in caldari state? is it worth it?
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Layckhaie Kaele
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.29 09:26:00 -
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Depends what kind of tower are you using (small, medium, large). Also faction towers spend less fuel.
Is it worth it?
If you can repay your initial investment and make more money than you spend on fuel it might be worth it.
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Entarius Fusion
Caldari Keystone Industrial
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Posted - 2010.03.29 09:30:00 -
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It Varies depending on the size and the type of POS you require. POS's in empire can be a convenient way of doing research in empire without the over-inflated queues. or becoming a mining platform for a system without a station (as long as you have the logistics to move it.
Quote: is it worth it?
if you have the standings and the reason for one then yeah, but if you dont need one for a specific purpouse then you might as well save the money and use stations
costs to run -A really rough guide- : Small POS - 75 Million a month Medium POS - 125 Million a month Large POS - 250 Million a month
P.S Don't forget to check your standings. with a 0.7 you need a standing of 7.0+ with the Caldari state to put up a POS.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.29 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: TheBlueMonkey on 29/03/2010 09:43:21 http://www.vexar.de/pos_fitter/
work it out yourself
fuel totals x fuel cost x time = cost/time
this where excel is your friend :)
oh and NO mining ice does not "bring down the cost of running a pos", don't be ******ed.
edit; Also, this
Originally by: Entarius Fusion if you have the standings and the reason for one then yeah, but if you dont need one for a specific purpouse then you might as well save the money and use stations
you're solution may be a cov-ops and low sec stations --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.03.29 12:23:00 -
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ROUGHLY:
small - 50-60m medium - 100-115m large - 150-170m
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Xia Kairui
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Posted - 2010.03.29 14:16:00 -
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WHat I found more pressing than the running cost is the annoyance factor. The fuel in a POS lasts for roughly two weeks which means someone has to drop by at those intervals to refuel it. You also have the POS constantly do something (research, mine, build, whatever) in order to make the most out of your fuel investment. If you produce something the cycle times are often much faster - our POS had to be emptied every third day. Of course a research POS is much more lenient there.
Consider really hard if you want to spend that effort.
The good news is that you'll usually be able to resell the tower and modules at the price you got them for once you take the POS down again.
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2010.03.29 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xia Kairui WHat I found more pressing than the running cost is the annoyance factor. The fuel in a POS lasts for roughly two weeks which means someone has to drop by at those intervals to refuel it. You also have the POS constantly do something (research, mine, build, whatever) in order to make the most out of your fuel investment. If you produce something the cycle times are often much faster - our POS had to be emptied every third day. Of course a research POS is much more lenient there.
Consider really hard if you want to spend that effort.
The good news is that you'll usually be able to resell the tower and modules at the price you got them for once you take the POS down again.
^^This^^ Unless you are really serious about being an industrialist, investing in and researching BPO's, selling BPC's, and all the attendant market/contracting administrative time involved, a full time POS may not be your cup of tea.
Now, if you've got a handful of BPO's you want to research and play with, consider the investment of putting up a POS for a short period of time (say, 1-3 months) and then taking it down when you're finished. An expensive way of getting your BPs researched but once you get started you may find it to your liking.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.29 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: TheBlueMonkey and NO mining ice does not "bring down the cost of running a pos", don't be ******ed.
You should petition that... if your wallet drops every time you refine ice something must be horribly wrong. Not sure about anyone else, but when I mine ice for POS's my wallet doesn't drop one single isk. Go figure.
*Enter ******ed "opportunity cost" boolsh!te*
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Enthral
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Posted - 2010.03.29 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
oh and NO mining ice does not "bring down the cost of running a pos", don't be ******ed.
Sure it does, though ice products only account for three of the nine types of fuel you need, so you simply must buy some of what you need. Some quick math does show, however, that ice products account for about 78% of my fuel costs.
On the other hand, ice mining is a bit mind numbing, and you can spend days doing it just to get your ice products, and you'll still need to pay tens of millions of isk out of wallet to buy the rest of the fuel you need. So in one sense, your wallet DOES shrink if you use ice mining as a means of offsetting your fuel costs.
You can "offset" the cost of your fuel much better by doing, well, almost anything other than ice mining. For example, if you spend the same amount of time mining rock as you did mining ice, sell the minerals just filling buy orders, and pay for all of your fuel without any isk coming out of your wallet.
Additionally, you could do level 4 missions for that same time, and pay for all of your fuel costs just from the bounties and mission rewards. You'll also probably have a lot of extra isk, plus increased standings, more LP (which are valuable in their own right), loot to refine for building or reselling, and valuable salvage.
But some people enjoy ice mining, so more power to them. I just wouldn't count on it as a means of offsetting my fuel costs...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.03.30 01:46:00 -
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There is a simple and neat POS planner tool here: http://eve.1019.net/pos/.
You should be able to calculate your fuel costs based on what you intend to do with that POS. Then you need to calculate the cost and returns of any activity you plan to undertake at said POS.
Whether it's worth it or not is up to you.
As for the "opportunity cost" mentioned earlier in this thread, here's how the argument typically goes:
X: "Minerals or ice that I collect myself are free. Anything I make from them and sell is 100% profit" Akita T: "The time you spent collecting those minerals is worth something - you could have been running level 4 missions for 20M ISK/hr, bought the same amount of mineral/ice off the market, and still has ISK left over."
What it boils down to is this: if you're happy to train your character to harvest ice, and feel comfortable leaving your expensive but paper-thin ice harvesting ship alone in space for minutes at a time, and have other things you can be doing in real life while your character is harvesting ice, it stands to reason that the ice you just harvested is "free" since you couldn't have been running level 4 missions with the same amount of attention to the game.
Just be aware that once your attention to the game exceeds about one minute out of every three, you'll be better off running level 4 missions in a Drake (ice harvesting tops out at about 7M ISK/hr in a fleet, missioning in a Drake will bring about 15M ISK/hr as a baseline).
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