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Sep'Shoni Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:09:00 - [1] In the brief period while mining something other than Scordite, Plagio, and/or veldspar was worth it I trained scanning skills to track down hidden belts. I discovered that, as a player, I very much enjoy playing with the probes until I lock down the ID of the contact. So I trained up hacking and such to do the various types of exploration sites and have been sifting through .5 and .6 systems looking for them. However, it seems that high sec exploration, other than combat sites/wormholes, may be the least profitable activity in space. Grav belts are losers in that they take more time to find less ore of a less profitable variety than just jumping to the belt in one of the low-occupancy systems I routinely mine in while mag and radar sites give me a few dozen of some stuff that's worth a few hundred isk each. I haven't found a gas site yet. Have I just been unlucky? Is this simply the Eve-reality of high-sec exploration? Do Europeans get all the good stuff before US players get home from work? Might I be doing something wrong? ??? I can live with it if having very little isk-return on my fun is inevitable, but if there's a way to improve the return on time invested ... . Sep'Shoni Mining ore and making stuff. Its not just a job, its an obsession.
Cheimos	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:19:00 - [2] Only the uncompleted sigs respawn at DT. Find a quiet system to do your probing in high sec, theres a few other guys competing for the same sites
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:33:00 - [3] TBH high sec exploration isn't really worth pursuing except as a warm up to low/null sec exploration. Low sec exploration can give you a very solid profit though it does involve some risk. The same is true of null sec however most sites there require a capital to solo or a small gang. Also, WH's aren't really high sec exploration since w-space is null sec. You simply found a gate to get to it in high sec. In any case, the key to exploration is finding a nice out of the way spot. Unlike missions, exploration sites are finite. You are in competition with other players for them and so the best way to get lots of them is to avoid other players, just like in mining. Aridia is a great place for a low sec explorer. It has some pirates but most of it is a vast desolate wasteland with little player activity. It's hard to find a system there that isn't loaded with sites to pillage. It is desolate for a reason however, it's a vast expanse with few high sec pockets and even those are only islands in a sea of low sec. It can be a very dangerous place if you aren't cautious and is always a pain to get to. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:16:00 - [4] You'll get 30m out of a radar, and then not find anything else worthwhile for hours... or you'll get another 30m out of a radar next door. Mostly the first. I do it when I'm hanging around for something else, or just to keep practicing scanning; there's far more reliable methods of making ISK.
Aralieus Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.30 03:02:00 - [5] I do exploring exclusively in low-sec and tbh it could use a boost. It shouldn't be considered a 'mini-profession' but a full blown ISK avenue. I'm not saying LvL 4 grinding in empire, but more...You can drastically reduce your risk with a few right moves but still that risk is always there cause lets face it, sh*t happens. So my profits should reflect the risk I'm taking, eh? Well they don't in exploration and I'm sure a lot of ppl would agree with me, needs boost imo...If CCP wants to get more ppl in low-sec and 0.0 this would be the way to do it I think. Its far easier to get a T3/BC/Cruiser around for exploration sites than a clumsy BS you need to farm lvl 4's in low-sec. Fortune favors the bold!!!
Sep'Shoni Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:23:00 - [6] That was the answer I was afraid of. Thanks for the input. Its a pity that something so much fun should have such a low return on time spent compared to so many parts of the game that are not as active and interesting. Sep'Shoni Mining ore and making stuff. Its not just a job, its an obsession.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.03.30 21:51:00 - [7] I wouldn't bother in high sec. I have got some nice ones in low sec but you need 2 pilot (probe/scout and the pve ship) to do them if you don't have a t3 ship. If you have a t3 better off doing low sec missions.
Amasera First Star To The Right	Posted - 2010.03.30 22:18:00 - [8] Quote: I wouldn't bother in high sec. I have got some nice ones in low sec but you need 2 pilot (probe/scout and the pve ship) to do them if you don't have a t3 ship. If you have a t3 better off doing low sec missions. Not true! [Arbitrator, Low Sec Solo Exp] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Codebreaker I Analyzer I Large Capacitor Battery II Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Infiltrator II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 OR [Vexor, Solo Low Sec Exploration] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Codebreaker I Analyzer I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Improved Cloaking Device II Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Work very well solo. They can scan down all but the lowest resolution sites and can solo all but the hardest low sec complex sites. And from here it's just a hop skip and a jump to the Pilgrim or Ishtar which will yawn their way through anything you'll find in lowsec. Slap in some implants and you can scan down anything.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.03.30 23:05:00 - [9] The myrmidon is a fantastic swiss army knife low sec exploration boat. You can easily fit salvagers, a cloak, mwd, armor tank and still squeeze in both a code breaker and analyzer. DPS is a bit low but if you're going for profession sites rather than combat it's a non issue. If doing combat then you could use a t3 with the probing subsystem or an ishtar with probe launcher. That's far from all inclusive, I'm sure you could make it work with pretty much any ship. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Aralieus Amarr Rising Devils Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.03.31 03:28:00 - [10] I personally use this: [Pilgrim, Voyager] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Analyzer I Codebreaker I 10MN Afterburner II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II Salvager I Medium Nosferatu II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Acolyte II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Infiltrator II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Pretty much all I need to go anywhere and get sites or plexes done. I like Dark Blood lore and whatnot so I'm in Amarr low-sec atm, so of course EM/Therm resists should be high. Fortune favors the bold!!!
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.31 04:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Zartrader on 31/03/2010 04:32:19 Its fun for a bit in hi sec but not worth the effort. CCP won't change it as they don't like players in high sec.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.03.31 05:50:00 - [12] I've managed to score 300M ISK a month from hisec exploration. Mostly by being unbelievably lucky, but in this game you really do make your own luck. My exploration profits have all been made in high-traffic systems - look at the map, the number of pilots in space is high, the number of jumps per day is high, but the number of pilots actually in local is low, and of the six who are there, two are flying freighters on autopilot toward that gate, two others are flying courier missions, and the fifth one is mining some belt in his Covetor. Noone's going to visit this system to explore it - one look at the map and they'll be homing in on the unpopulated, unvisited systems. It's also worth getting fixes on the lowest signal strength signatures first. Low signal strength means worth finding. [Aussie players: join channels ANZAC or AUSSIES]
Takseen	Posted - 2010.03.31 10:20:00 - [13] Edited by: Takseen on 31/03/2010 10:20:37 Originally by: Sep'Shoni That was the answer I was afraid of. Thanks for the input. Its a pity that something so much fun should have such a low return on time spent compared to so many parts of the game that are not as active and interesting. The thing is though, if highsec exploration did suddenly get a massive profit boost from CCP, the probing population would explode and you'd be lucky to find anything at all in Empire besides wormholes. Atleast now you can have some fun practicing probing in a safe environment and still get some ISK, and there's always the option of moving to low sec once you can fly one of the probeship fits detailed above.
Forge Trader	Posted - 2010.03.31 16:33:00 - [14] "I discovered as a player that I very much enjoy playing with the probes..." Sooo...play with the probes. You might try playing Eve for fun, and not for isk. What are you going to do with isk, anyway? If you discovered (as I have) that almost nothing in Eve produces more isk than mining veldspar in hisec with a Hulk, is that what you are going to do? Eve is a fantastic sandbox. Forget maximizing isk. Have fun. You will get plenty of isk in the end, anyway.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.03.31 18:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 31/03/2010 18:18:19 Originally by: Amasera Quote: I wouldn't bother in high sec. I have got some nice ones in low sec but you need 2 pilot (probe/scout and the pve ship) to do them if you don't have a t3 ship. If you have a t3 better off doing low sec missions. Not true! [Arbitrator, Low Sec Solo Exp] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Codebreaker I Analyzer I Large Capacitor Battery II Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Infiltrator II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 OR [Vexor, Solo Low Sec Exploration] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Codebreaker I Analyzer I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Improved Cloaking Device II Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Work very well solo. They can scan down all but the lowest resolution sites and can solo all but the hardest low sec complex sites. And from here it's just a hop skip and a jump to the Pilgrim or Ishtar which will yawn their way through anything you'll find in lowsec. Slap in some implants and you can scan down anything. I was talking about the ones worth doing which you won't be able to complete in a cruiser. For instance combat site that escalate 5 times with potentially over a bil in loot. Drake can't tank some of the site (so I just warp in at range, kill overseer and my alt loot while drake burns off with aggro). If your doing exploration in a crusier in low sec your better off doing high sec mission.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.04.03 08:40:00 - [16] I have done NULL sec radar sites in a exploration fit BC (4 T2 medium drones, 3 T2 HML w/ faction ammo and that's all) buffer tank and managed to get through with little damage. Heck once managed to online the hack module while in combat and start on the containers before the fight was over. You have to be ready to do that sort of thing in null sec.

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