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Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:07:00 -
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They pop up. And often. What does it take to do X in a Y class WH. Ships, accounts, tactics and logistics.
Each of the greater WH corps has their share of secrets and this thread is not meant to share those, but more an overall "quit dreaming unless you at least have x" kinda thread. A ship thread has been started, but I want to move above "min requirement". People takin that into the bigger wh are going to get a nasty surprise. And continuesly kicking out farming carebears might become boring at some point 
Maybe you also disagree with me? That anyone can take anything and live in these systems?
Because of the greater number of lower class wh, hiding among the many becomes a factor and thus less of danger.
But truth be told, if you really want to learn wh life, join a wh corp!
As in:
If you want to live in a C6, what should you be prepared for?
- Defense against: Alliances of 50+ active members, with full cap fleets, t3's and logistics
- Typical encounter: T3's with logistic support hidden somewhere.
- Logistics: Be prepared to fuel several large pos's to house caps
- Initial investment costs: 20+ billions
- Required tools to operate: Some sort of chain mapping system. Probably an loot sharing system as well.
- Note: C6 has some hundred systems. With the amount of static c6's in large wh alliances, if they want to invade you, they will find you and probably sooner rather than later. Your defense has to be military, not camuflage.
If you want to live in a C6, what should you be prepared for?
- Defense against: Alliances of 50+ active members, with full cap fleets, t3's and logistics
- Typical encounter: T3's with logistic support hidden somewhere.
- Logistics: Be prepared to fuel several large pos's to house caps
- Initial investment costs: 20+ billions
- Required tools to operate: Some sort of chain mapping system. Probably an loot sharing system as well.
- Note: Biggest difference between c5 and c6 is the amount of systems. Cycling into a specific c5 is a *****. Specific targets for invasion is harder, but will none-the-less happen often.
If you want to live in a C4, what should you be prepared for?
- Initial investment costs:
Required tools to operate:
If you want to live in a C3, what should you be prepared for?
- Initial investment costs:
- Required tools to operate:
If you want to live in a C2, what should you be prepared for?
- Initial investment costs:
- Required tools to operate:
If you want to live in a C1, what should you be prepared for?
- Initial investment costs:
- Required tools to operate:
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Tricky Dutch
The Adjustment Team
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:33:00 -
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So.. do you want us to post with what we've found out? |
killroy v2
Thorn Project
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.10 04:22:00 -
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tbh it wud b nice 4 someone 2 put 1 of these for both pvp and pve up in the sticky so people will quit asking |
Jim Roebuck
Union of Protectorates
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Posted - 2012.07.10 06:36:00 -
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For defense in C1's, I'd say probably against a 20-30 member corp with most having access to BC's or T2 cruisers. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:04:00 -
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It would really nice if people would help me fill out the blank and discuss / verify the actual info. |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:58:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:It would really nice if people would help me fill out the blank and discuss / verify the actual info.
Just because you choose to waste your own time on a pointless thread that nobody in your intended audience will ever read, why do you believe you should waste other people's time as well? |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:06:00 -
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You wasting time replying imply that some interest has been garnered. And strictly speaking, no one forces you to do anything. |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.11 01:04:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:You wasting time replying imply that some interest has been garnered. And strictly speaking, no one forces you to do anything.
You didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again.
If you can't take the few minutes necessary to fill in the blanks (the information can be readily found in dozens of threads on these forums and elsewhere) then why should anybody else put in the effort? You said it yourself, these questions have been asked many times before and will pop up many times again, which means the answers to these questions have been given many times before and will be given many times again, so why should I or anybody else do the research for you when it's been done so many times already? Put in some effort and maybe you'll be rewarded with a nice sticky. But don't hold your breath for too long. |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:02:00 -
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In c1-3 all you really need is an active corp + 1-2 death star towers, and you need to hide your super shinys. If you aren't worth invasion, most won't invade. If you make it a supreme ***** to fight your tower, most won't want to touch that.
As for roams through your hole. Well you have k space... So be prepared for lots of kitchen sinks. Any t3 or other competent fleet setup is probably from c5 or c6 residents. |
Boober Fraggle
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:36:00 -
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No. You cannot generalize wormholes. There are too many variables. For example, its a Wolf Rayette. Now every answer is now different.
You have to have a completely different strategy for different statics. C2's can have small or large mass statics. THats not AS big of a consideration since tier 3 BC's, but still important.
You can choose not to answer people, or you can answer their question, or you can choose to answer the question you think they should be asking.
A 40M sp Tengu pilot can use a completely different strategy than a 7Msp tengu pilot.
Just choose to answer them or not. Its like asking to ban howard stern when you can just not listen.
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Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.07.11 08:31:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Archdaimon wrote:You wasting time replying imply that some interest has been garnered. And strictly speaking, no one forces you to do anything. You didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again.
Ah, but now your question makes sense, and I might be able to answer.
The reason of the blanks is simply put lack of experience. I have lived in a c2 with static hi for a short while and can/will write something about that.
The poster above me have an interesting point. The static WH in your WH is a very important factor. If you live in a c2 with static c5+ odds are you'll meet the above mentioned fleets more often.
I'll try to make some qualified guesses on the other sizes, but I'll need som reviews and discussion regarding the value behind it. |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.11 21:51:00 -
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Boober Fraggle wrote:No. You cannot generalize wormholes. There are too many variables. For example, its a Wolf Rayette. Now every answer is now different.
You have to have a completely different strategy for different statics. C2's can have small or large mass statics. THats not AS big of a consideration since tier 3 BC's, but still important.
You can choose not to answer people, or you can answer their question, or you can choose to answer the question you think they should be asking.
A 40M sp Tengu pilot can use a completely different strategy than a 7Msp tengu pilot.
Just choose to answer them or not. Its like asking to ban howard stern when you can just not listen.
What? First, holes connecting to a c2 will always have a 2bil mass limit or smaller. 250m jump limit.
Second, its a c2... Wolf rayet, pulsar, magnetar, none of these play major roles in such small holes since their.effects are minuscule. Granted this doesn't mean you shouldn't take these things into effect, but using a shield Drake in a c2 WR is not that large of a derp. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.11 21:57:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:
What? First, holes connecting to a c2 will always have a 2bil mass limit or smaller. 250m jump limit.
Actually, Its determined by the originating hole...so this is incorrect.
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.07.11 22:49:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:
What? First, holes connecting to a c2 will always have a 2bil mass limit or smaller. 250m jump limit.
Actually, Its determined by the originating hole...so this is incorrect.
No, it isn't. You will find WHs with less than 2 bill total and 250 mill per jump(coming from a c1 for example) but never more. Just like no WH leading to a c1 will allow more than 20 mill per jump and no WH leading to HS will allow more than a freighter to come through(most won't allow that, I know) |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:44:00 -
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If you want to live in a C2, what should you be prepared for?
- Defense against: Day trippers from high sec, low sec pirates, Exhale
 , other wh alliances connecting
- Typical encounter: BC gangs, T3 gangs w/ logi, bombers
- Logistics: Fuel is easy to get with an abundance of kspace wh's. Can be fun with just a few people, but it will leave you vulnerable to attack.
- Initial investment costs: About a bil or two for a large tower, fuel, and decent defenses
- Required tools to operate: Some sort of chain mapping system. Probably an loot sharing system as well.
[*] Note: Truth be told, it really varies on what you want to do. A corp my size rarely has to worry about anyone just jumping in and having their way with us. Smaller corps will find themselves to be much easier targets.
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
42
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:46:00 -
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Not sure how I managed to miss the c2 part of that post, confirming they are both correct and I am stupid
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Vjorn Angannon
Middleton and Mercer LLP
Exotic Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2012.07.12 02:38:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:Not sure how I managed to miss the c2 part of that post, confirming they are both correct and I am stupid
Meh....blame it on a lack of (insert favorite beverage).....
it's what i do 
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Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
72
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:43:00 -
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Updated c2's with Banes experience. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:45:00 -
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I think this should be a bit more explained and made sticky, also some recommendations numbers and ship classes to be used for certain W-Holes could be listed, like
'2 T3 and 2 nightmares/machariels to raid a c3 in no time', or
'drake is the vessel with best cost/reward factor for solo C1/C2 work'
some key lines, aside from that, +1 anyways. And make this sticky!
Or tell them, they need a cloaky nullified T3 for sleeper sites, so I can increase my income a little^^ |
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