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iNsAn3 Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn 7	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:20:00 - [1] - Quote For forever all I have ever used in missions is a Raven or CNR and I'm officially sick of flying them. Is there any other battleships that are good in missions and are worth looking at? I have laser skills and also have amarr BS 5. I used to use a Nightmare but that would require me buying another one The Rokh? The Apoc? The Geddon? Ive the skills for a legion and a tengu but are either of these also worth a look? Id like to focus on mission speed rather than mission comfortability. ...
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Bellum Esca 107	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:23:00 - [2] - Quote Nightmare.... ....that is all.
iNsAn3 Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn 7	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:33:00 - [3] - Quote FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: Nightmare.... ....that is all. Damn it! Now i need to buy another one :< ...
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote Machariel is supposed to be fun. Haven't flown one for years, tho. The BS' I tend to fly are either SNI or CNR.
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 24	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:48:00 - [5] - Quote FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: Nightmare.... ....that is all. I can second this, but I offer one exception, don't use one in Caldari space. Lasers vs Guristas is a massive pain and makes even the Nightmare feel weak. Other than that it will tear missions apart. The rattlesnake as well, for all its reputation as a lazy overtanked afk-boat, has become quite ganky with the new drone mods and ancillary shield boosters. Of course that depends on you having gallente BS and really good drone skills. It also has the advantage of applying its dps really well, at a great range, and in any damage type. The tengu can fit in where the nightmare leaves off, its bonus to kinetic missiles means that it can rip Guristas to pieces. It will compete with or even surpass the various ravens' damage, while moving at quite a nice speed and feeling a lot less sluggish overall. If you're going for cheaper options, the dominix is really hard to beat in the price-to-effectiveness category, and several other categories as well. The apoc's a fantastic ship, at least in Amarr space, but I find the armageddon a bit too hard to fit satisfactorily for missions. It's navy version however is an absolute beast if you have great skills and can manage to find a fitting you like. I've never actually done missions in a rokh despite it being one of my absolute favorite hulls, but EFT warrioring makes it look like it's a good choice too, now that you don't have to throw billions of ISK at it to make it work for missions. ...I've really got to get me a mission rokh.
Kalli Brixzat 64	Posted - 2012.07.05 21:48:00 - [6] - Quote Katja Faith wrote: Machariel is supposed to be fun. Haven't flown one for years, tho. The BS' I tend to fly are either SNI or CNR. Those are pretty much the best bang for the buck mission ships (SNI and CNR). Navy Scorp for tank, Navy Raven for spank. Macharels are amazing mission ships, but you are limited to two damage types and need at least 1.5B to properly fit one. The SNI and CNR can be fit for half that amount.
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.05 22:05:00 - [7] - Quote Saile Litestrider wrote: ...I've really got to get me a mission rokh. lemme know how it goes! xD Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Yabba Addict Legion of the Many 26	Posted - 2012.07.05 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Th3 Ladyship wrote: Saile Litestrider wrote: ...I've really got to get me a mission rokh. lemme know how it goes! xD Believe me, damsel or thief is just plain funny in a blokh.
Binanty Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate 1	Posted - 2012.07.05 23:35:00 - [9] - Quote I have missioned in the raven, didnt really find it very entertaining, a rail rokh is a great replacement in my opinion, not everyone likes it or can fly it probaly. This is the fit i use and it hasnt failed me in caldari missions yet: [Rokh, Lv4 Rokh] 8x 425mm Railgun II (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L) Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II 2x Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script) Damage Control II 4x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I I usually switch out the tracking computer or shield booster for an AB if i need it in the mission and of course change the resists as well, but other than that i usually use this fit. The tengu is a good boat as well and seems to be superior over the raven in almost every aspect.
Saile Litestrider Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 24	Posted - 2012.07.06 00:21:00 - [10] - Quote Th3 Ladyship wrote: lemme know how it goes! xD I bought a rokh, I bought a big-ass rokh, and it flies about as fast as a cinderblock... But as I suspected, very nice ship and handles quite a bit like the apoc. Good tank, good damage, GREAT projection, and it can make great use of both the long and short range weapons, making it a very solid choice for just about any mission. I'll definitely be keeping it around.
Boomhaur 88	Posted - 2012.07.06 03:27:00 - [11] - Quote You got bored of the Raven/CNR even if you have skills for a Tengu don't bother it's probably more fun to fly than either of those but it's still a missile boat and you probably get bored of it quick. And the Legion is lacking in comparison to other laser boats for lv4's. So you can mark off any strategic cruiser as an upgrade, plus the CNR is on par with the Tengu but more flexible with who you fly for to my understanding. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Lucious Shakiel Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.07.06 05:15:00 - [12] - Quote Kalli Brixzat wrote: Macharels are amazing mission ships, but you are limited to two damage types and need at least 1.5B to properly fit one. The SNI and CNR can be fit for half that amount. Um what? Have you ever actually fired an autocannon? An AC fit machariel can do any damage type well, except for raw kinetic. Most things that you need kinetic for you can use phased plasma on with similar effectiveness, so it still works out. Only something like a Golem can vary it's damage types better than an AC boat like a Machariel.
Caitlyn Tufy Refuge of Hope Lemniskate 11	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:12:00 - [13] - Quote Katja Faith wrote: Machariel is supposed to be fun. Haven't flown one for years, tho. The BS' I tend to fly are either SNI or CNR. This. Why invent the Wheel if the one we have works just fine? Of course one can run missions in Rokh as well - it just won't be optimal. Personally, I prefer a combo of CNR (heavy dps and insane range) + Tengu (fast, shreds smaller targets). Of course, I'm also a missile freak :p
Tore Smith Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.07.06 08:41:00 - [14] - Quote I suggest buying a Nightmare. Use it for Sansha and Blood obviously and ofc for Drones and Mercs. With your skill set it is the best complement for your CNR. Btw I was in exactly the same spot a while ago and let me tell you from personal experience, that on the long run, once youGÇÖve flown turret ships and gotten used to them, you will not fly missile ships very often anymore. In fact I only still do so sometimes, because using different ships and trying to get good runs with them is the only thing that keeps me interested in missions. As a pointer, here is what I found to be more fun than my old CNR/Tengu: Proteus with neutrons and MWD, Kronos or Vindi with Rails, Rattlesnake for those missions were you can get jammed, Absolution with HPLs, Tach-Nightmare or Pulse-Paladin and not to forget the very nice AC-Mach.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 235	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:16:00 - [15] - Quote nightmare destroys sanshas and blood raiders. the damage is so stupid, you can fly a buffer tank if you want. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Kalli Brixzat 65	Posted - 2012.07.06 14:52:00 - [16] - Quote Caitlyn Tufy wrote: Katja Faith wrote: Machariel is supposed to be fun. Haven't flown one for years, tho. The BS' I tend to fly are either SNI or CNR. This. Why invent the Wheel if the one we have works just fine? Of course one can run missions in Rokh as well - it just won't be optimal. Personally, I prefer a combo of CNR (heavy dps and insane range) + Tengu (fast, shreds smaller targets). Of course... I'm also a missile freak :p Yeah, me too. I love the CNR's ability to out-range all enemy weapon systems other than cruise missiles. It's not fast, by any means, but there's something special about being able to do missions in your CNR with a 3-slot tank.
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2012.07.06 18:24:00 - [17] - Quote Th3 Ladyship wrote: Saile Litestrider wrote: ...I've really got to get me a mission rokh. lemme know how it goes! xD I thoguht about it, but I don't think you can boost their cargo space to the 4250m3 you need to do the gas mining missions in one go
Arianhod E X C E P T I O N Persona Non Gratis 3	Posted - 2012.07.07 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Fiona Ballbuster Red Scorpion Nr. 9 0	Posted - 2012.07.07 03:53:00 - [19] - Quote Arianhod wrote: My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I refrain from using ginger **** fucks fit please
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 975	Posted - 2012.07.07 04:02:00 - [20] - Quote OP, you can use any of the Amarr BS successfully (unless its Angels... then not so easy). All the T3s can do lvl 4s (some better than others... Tengu). The Rokh is... ok. Good for the farther missions that have enemies spawn off in the distance.
ACE McFACE 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 786	Posted - 2012.07.08 08:16:00 - [21] - Quote Geddon Navy Issue is very good, but you need good skills to go with it "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 28	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:44:00 - [22] - Quote Not to kickstart a dead thread into life but i'm still at a loss on which ship is a good choice. If you take a Tengu for instance, can it be used multi purpose? Is it worth switching subsystems around or is that better left alone? (im on about doing level 4s, then going and doing some exploration, for example) Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Ally Poo Argentum Associates Island of Misfit Toons 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:53:00 - [23] - Quote My Paladin will destory my Nightmare in missions.
Marcus Ichiro Kif Korp 52	Posted - 2012.07.17 06:29:00 - [24] - Quote Th3 Ladyship wrote: Not to kickstart a dead thread into life but i'm still at a loss on which ship is a good choice. If you take a Tengu for instance, can it be used multi purpose? Is it worth switching subsystems around or is that better left alone? (im on about doing level 4s, then going and doing some exploration, for example) A lot of people usually just end up having multiple differently fit T3's to switch between mission running and exploration but having one and just swapping the subsystems and mods out is perfectly fine. You'll just have to keep in mind though that if you accidently lose the ship and don't have the ISK to replace it you'll be completely boned.
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 28	Posted - 2012.07.17 06:41:00 - [25] - Quote Ally Poo wrote: My Paladin will destory my Nightmare in missions. Really? Do tell. Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4327	Posted - 2012.07.17 06:57:00 - [26] - Quote Ally Poo wrote: My Paladin will destory my Nightmare in missions. Then your Nightmare must be pretty badly fitted. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

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