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Haydee Onna
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Posted - 2010.04.03 17:55:00 -
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So obviously each of us has interests and hobbies other than Eve; I personally like to build model airplanes, and there's this forum I frequent to discuss the finer points of model airplane building with other hobbyists. Until recently, this forum has had a thriving off-topic section where I could also enjoy discussion about things other than model airplanes with the same people , who I am likely to share other interests with as well. Now, however, the moderators of this forum have decided to prohibit discussion of any other kind of model, which is rather annoying since many of us on this forum like to build model ships as well.
My guess is that they don't want people to switch from building airplanes to ships, but that's just silly right? First, building a model plane is a totally different experience than that of building a model boat, so it's not like I'm going to suddenly stop building airplanes because I hear about some cool new boat model. Second, oftentimes the only reason I went to this forum was to read what my fellow model builders had to say about model ships, but the other topics about model planes always kept my love for them close to mind. By forcing us to discuss model ships on another forum, I might actually build fewer airplanes since I won't always be reminded of how much I like them too. Third, people who don't build model airplanes can't post on this forum anyway, so as long as we are using the forums we are necessarily still loyal airplane builders.
But the really stupid thing is that we aren't even allowed to discuss this new policy on the forums, for no practical reason whatsoever other than keep us quiet. I mean, if there was at least some two-way discussion on the matter we might feel as though they at least care about our [loyal] opinions. As it is we have only our personal speculations and what little we can manage to get past the mods' radar, and frankly its insulting; this is the sort of **** a mid-twentieth-century dictator would pull.
Thankfully I still have the good ol' Eve forums to fall back on. 
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:00:00 -
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Possibly the most clever post today.
/me hands OP a cookie
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:05:00 -
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Well, I suppose you could go to that forum and instead of talking about other types of models, you could talk about marmalade types, or maybe talk about swimsuit models, yet everybody would know what you're talking about...
...hopefully ending up in a situation their mods would realize just how silly their new rule is and revert it, or at least explain WHY that rule was put in all of a sudden, if it's not as silly as everybody else thinks.
Good thing nothing like that could ever happen in EVE's forums, right ? 
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MickeyKnox
Elysium Trading Company
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: MickeyKnox on 03/04/2010 18:08:19
Dear Onna, that sounds very much like the moderators of that model airplane forum completely lost it. Usually when this kind of incident occures, forum administrators decide to create a new moderator account as a scapegoat who then locks and deletes all the topics in question, usually with a reference to a forum rule that doesn't say anything at all about why he locked the topics.
In combination with that, they might make up a new forum rule, maybe "topics may not be of sarcastic nature" or "topics must achieve maximum approval of moderators" and will actively provoke fights against the members of that forum, just to brag about the size of their epeen, using the lock-button.
The model builders who keep the forum alive then blame a dead mailbox, basically. At that point, the issue will be considered 'solved'. When that happens, you can't stop it but at least you know what's going on. That's at least something.
It also sounds like the administrators of that forum are really insecure, maybe the model airplane business isn't going as well anymore.. that would be really sad, my brother and I built many model airplanes when we were young, in the 90s. We had some fun hours together.
By the way you have really beautiful hair.
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Haydee Onna
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:27:00 -
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Akita, what a deviously clever idea. I mean, since you can't empirically demonstrate sarcasm, for a mod to lock a thread because of sarcasm and hidden intent would be tantamount to claiming discretionary authority over determining our real thoughts and intentions rather than our manifest ones, which we all know is herald to the breakdown of the rule of law.
 Originally by: MickeyKnox
Edited by: MickeyKnox on 03/04/2010 18:08:19
By the way you have really beautiful hair.
Why thank you. I treat it every day with virtual conditioning- I mean conditioner...
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Ulcious
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:28:00 -
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I'll have to agree with you there.
There is nothing worse than when a model airplane forum simply deletes threads about other types of model.
I mean, i consider myself a general model building enthusiast, from sci-fi models all the way back to old time fantasy models.
My main problem with it, is that i also feel like the "control police" have arrived, and the almight profit margin whom will be worshiped above all god (for extra model plans sales) is paramount to any feedom of speech or community discussion.
In a nutshell, its everything i hate about capitalism.
I ponder as to how far some model plan forums will go to keep there model building going.
Oh... and recently i was on a star-trek model building forum, apparently if you dont like the models they produce, your opinion will also be "axe threaded".
Intresting times....
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:34:00 -
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I wonder if the moderators of said model airplane forum have ever considered that by cracking down on other forms of model-making, they drive away model enthusiasts. I am sure that the topics of other models is a sign that the forum is a good one, because it draws like-minded people together.
Maybe you should create a post in that forum about how you don't really like their clamping down on other discussions, because it alienates the exact kind of people who that forum caters to.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:47:00 -
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The thing is that I have yet to see any ship model threads get locked.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Jill Xelitras
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Posted - 2010.04.03 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jill Xelitras on 03/04/2010 20:26:33
I think that the intent of the plane model forum rule policy makers is to avoid discussions which end up creating 2 or more camps amongst the users of said forum.
"Your planes suck, because they can't swim" vs "your ships suck, because they can't fly" vs "planes and ships suck, because they can't dive like submarines" vs "rockets are uber".
Chosing to ban all discussions not pertaining to planes is hazardous terrain though. What of hydroplanes ? What of hybrids (boats with wings, enabling them to fly) ? What of ground-effect vehicles ?
I think it would make more sense to ask people to stay polite and don't derail threads (even if they are not related to train models, lol). Just remove posting rights for 2 days for offenders.
Instead of just locking threads by subject and making all forum users sad, the plane model forum moderators should just act upon people disrupting civil discussions. Maybe add some volunteers or ask the forum users to use the report function (I suppose that plane model forums use standard forum software too), thus reducing workload on the paid moderators ?
Anyway ... I like submarine models. Equipped with the right sort of electric motors and this handy streamlined hull, a submarine model is a girls best friend.
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.03 23:06:00 -
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My name is Karma, and I approve of this message.
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Myxx
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Posted - 2010.04.03 23:16:00 -
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I support this.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.03 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Well, I suppose you could go to that forum and instead of talking about other types of models, you could talk about marmalade types, or maybe talk about swimsuit models, yet everybody would know what you're talking about...
Swimsuit models + marmalade = ?
/me needs a cold shower
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.04.04 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Swimsuit models + marmalade = ?
= a sticky situation
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Fio'Shas'o'El'Vior'la
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Posted - 2010.04.04 10:52:00 -
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hmmm wish I has seen this post earlier
to further the point
I think it is in the forum hosts interest to let then discuss other models, especially within a off topic area,as it helps everyone involved
How can it help the forum host, who lean towards or make a different type of model, well it allows them to keep track of their competition for starters, and could be a valuable form of research, say for arguements sake a rival develope some kind of new way fo making it easier to put the models together, or a new type of plastic, or glue, they host company can use this information to further improve their own product!!
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Kallieah
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.04 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fio'Shas'o'El'Vior'la
...further improve their own product!!
Is such a thing done? There was once a time when a model airplane company I know of was making lightweight planes that almost anyone could easily fly and then they got the wild idea to create these beautiful new "premium" planes and allow model pilots to fly them side-by-side and for a time, things were good.
However, it was a short-sighted vision as the company found it was too costly to develop both the "classic" planes and the new "premium" planes. So they asked for community feedback in a plan to discontinue support for "classic" planes. EVEn though the community was upset at the DEVlopers for the loss of the "classic" plane which may not have looked as nice, but flew so much better, it was discontinued anyway.
It just goes to show that a model plane company is sometimes not very good at seeing the future and that certain model plane companies really couldn't care less what the pilots that fly planes have to say about them. So no, most improvements will never be incorporated or even acknowledged in a constructive manner.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.04 14:49:00 -
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Take a look here, in the assembly hall.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.04 15:26:00 -
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Even though I believe that CCP is perfectly within the rights as owners of this forum to regulate what is said or not said on their forums, I think this is a pretty dumb move. The only reasonable reason for the change, in my mind, is that CCP is worried about losing our "attention." If this belief is true then they should just lock down the whole OOPE sub forum. As the OP mentions, we all have additional hobbies, books, movies, exercise, hunting, and any of the other numerous things we could spend our "downtime" to do with as we wish.
The following is a quote from a previous thread.
Originally by: Jill Xelitras
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My best guess is that the subscription numbers are dropping significantly and this is their way of controlling unnecessary speech about potential competitors for our precious time.
I seriously doubt this theory. There have been "EvE is dying because XYZ is being released" threads for centuries. I believe the heavy handed moderation just intends to stop heated discussions before they arise. For the very same reason talking about politics or religion is prohibited.
Every discussion that ends up with people in two ore more distinct camps throwing rocks at each other is ultimately killing "the community".
The only places where one camp bashing another camp is tolerated, even welcome, are TQ and CAOD.
May peace (the force, god, allah ...) be with you.
EVE is not dying, it is going through a lull and the actions of the current forum mods, although within their rights, are excessive and outright ridiculous.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2010.04.04 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Take a look here, in the assembly hall.
Signed.
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Kallieah
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.04 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Take a look here, in the assembly hall.
This is a good idea!
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