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Darus Thorn
Kalarn Technologies
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Posted - 2012.07.05 22:32:00 -
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I cant help but think it is a real shame that Hydra and Outbreak are banned from the tourney - it`s a bit like Brazil not being at the world cup! I have been really looking forward to the tourney after being less active of late but from what I have seen so far it`s a bit dull, the TV stuff is not as good as previous years and the commentry is bad. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:14:00 -
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Darus Thorn wrote:I cant help but think it is a real shame that Hydra and Outbreak are banned from the tourney - it`s a bit like Brazil not being at the world cup! I have been really looking forward to the tourney after being less active of late but from what I have seen so far it`s a bit dull, the TV stuff is not as good as previous years and the commentry is bad.
I'd challenge the point about the commentary being bad, i'd say its not as good as last year, but not bad. They need to put more of a focus on the match not the background, its clear this tournament is dumbed down so lets pretend metagaming and people aren't important and focus on the internet spaceships at hand.
Otherwise fully agree, the ancillary shield boosters have made good set ups even more monotonous than they have ever been and turned the more alternative set ups we might have seen in previous tournaments into a joke. Cyclone hulls are overused in AT8-9? So what do CCP do between shitposting in AT forum (I'm allowed to its not my job) they allow use of a module that arguably makes the Tech 1 Cyclone more potent than sleips of old and reduce its point cost, while simultaneously reducing the effectiveness of its counter - the curse. At least once we get to the 12 ship matches we might see something slightly different .
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.05 23:55:00 -
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Yeah it sucks we don't have a defending champion, but I think there's been enough posting about that so w/e ;P
I think tourney might be better without ASB, but it's hard to say since we've only seen 6v6 so far. |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:11:00 -
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no gunna bother with the hydra stuff. but as far as the asb goes. it really only shines in the 6 mans its nbd at all in the 12s |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:57:00 -
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Quite simply - **** HYDRA, they tried to cheat then shot their remaining credibility in the head by endlessly whining when they got caught then smugposting about how they would just go to another game and win there. If they hadnt inserted their heads firmly into their own rectums at the first opportunity i might have had some sympathy.
On the ASB side i dont think its going hold up once we hit the twelve man matches, the more dpsy six man setups were still able to grind it down so i dont think its going to make enough of a difference to matter that much. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
933
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Posted - 2012.07.06 11:35:00 -
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Darus Thorn wrote:I cant help but think it is a real shame that Hydra and Outbreak are banned from the tourney - it`s a bit like Brazil not being at the world cup! I have been really looking forward to the tourney after being less active of late but from what I have seen so far it`s a bit dull, the TV stuff is not as good as previous years and the commentry is bad.
I agree, shame on them for getting themselves excluded!
The TV stuff has improved with the additional speed, points and e-war info - Kudos to CCP for that.
Unfortunately the commentary is terrible - but it is that way in most sports or events with live commentators. IMO, let the sport speak for itself and mention the subtle or not-so-subtle events in the action. Inform the viewers and keep them in the action, but don't feel the need to fill every single moment with drivel. Often times the commentators miss on-screen action because they were too busy babbling about something else, just filling the airtime.
The ability to speak at length about nothing at all, just to fill the space, is terribly overrated.
Here's your sign... |
ry ry
Doctrine.
FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.07.06 11:52:00 -
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WAit a second, you're telling me Hydra and Outbreak aren't in the tournament this year? how did that happen since they won last year? This must have been an administration error - why in god's name didn't somebody post about it earlier so CCP could take the necessary steps to ensure their participation?!
re: the commentary - as the fights unfold, i've been wishing somebody was giving a play-by-play of some of the more interesting events rather than filling time until something that is blindingly obvious to the viewers watching the stream happens. Kil2 has been good, zastrow and telraven have been non-bad. MB3 is wearing his clownshoes and is desperately fumbling with the squirty flower mechanism in his pocket.
'squirty flower'. |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:40:00 -
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It happened because people have a sense of entitlement to alliance tournament final of the kind they desire (monotonous thrash of some unknown by some partially known) without putting in any effort themselves.
Should that not occur, they will cheer while CCP fix the tournament to restore the Ad Nauseum.
They will also believe every lie CCP Sreegs comes out with to achieve that end.
They will also compeltely disregard the fact that each of Sreegs' lies was presented without any evidence.
Anyway, it's a "good" tournament this year because nothing out of the ordinary will happen. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
250
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:00:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Quite simply - **** HYDRA, they tried to cheat then shot their remaining credibility in the head by endlessly whining when they got caught then smugposting about how they would just go to another game and win there. If they hadnt inserted their heads firmly into their own rectums at the first opportunity i might have had some sympathy.
I know everyone is tired of this discussion but I'm honestly amazed at how anyone can believe this version of events.
We tried to clarify some vague rules (i.e. had no intention of cheating), explained what we were doing and were pretty open (i.e. you canGÇÖt say we got GÇ£caughtGÇ¥ when we never tried to hide how we practiced). This tournament meant a lot to us, knowing how closely weGÇÖd be watched this year you canGÇÖt think we would intentionally put ourselves in violation of any rules at the risk of being banned. That we were banned is, at best, a reflection of the tournament team's poor/selective communication policy.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:10:00 -
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I still don't know what happened to HYDRA, and i am just looking forward to seeing them next time. For now, we have a tournament to do. It is a shame we dont have a defending champion, but i guess we can still count PL as "the ones to beat" this year, and we've also seen a few alliances come out of the woodworks this time, which has always interested me.
-Buhhd |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
783
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:53:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:
I know everyone is tired of this discussion but I'm honestly amazed at how anyone can believe this version of events.
We tried to clarify some vague rules (i.e. had no intention of cheating), explained what we were doing and were pretty open (i.e. you canGÇÖt say we got GÇ£caughtGÇ¥ when we never tried to hide how we practiced). This tournament meant a lot to us, knowing how closely weGÇÖd be watched this year you canGÇÖt think we would intentionally put ourselves in violation of any rules at the risk of being banned. That we were banned is, at best, a reflection of the tournament team's poor/selective communication policy.
Yea, no, your version sounds like **** too, and very unbelievable
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
265
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:01:00 -
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Pahah Pahineh wrote:It happened because people have a sense of entitlement to alliance tournament final of the kind they desire (monotonous thrash of some unknown by some partially known) without putting in any effort themselves.
Should that not occur, they will cheer while CCP fix the tournament to restore the Ad Nauseum.
They will also believe every lie CCP Sreegs comes out with to achieve that end.
They will also compeltely disregard the fact that each of Sreegs' lies was presented without any evidence.
Anyway, it's a "good" tournament this year because nothing out of the ordinary will happen.
CCP lost Nvidia as a sponsor for the AT due to the bad ending. Of course they mad. |
Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
338
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:08:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Pahah Pahineh wrote:It happened because people have a sense of entitlement to alliance tournament final of the kind they desire (monotonous thrash of some unknown by some partially known) without putting in any effort themselves.
Should that not occur, they will cheer while CCP fix the tournament to restore the Ad Nauseum.
They will also believe every lie CCP Sreegs comes out with to achieve that end.
They will also compeltely disregard the fact that each of Sreegs' lies was presented without any evidence.
Anyway, it's a "good" tournament this year because nothing out of the ordinary will happen. CCP lost Nvidia as a sponsor for the AT due to the bad ending. Of course they mad.
source on that? |
Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness
The Mockers AO
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:45:00 -
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Jack bubu wrote:Messoroz wrote:Pahah Pahineh wrote:It happened because people have a sense of entitlement to alliance tournament final of the kind they desire (monotonous thrash of some unknown by some partially known) without putting in any effort themselves.
Should that not occur, they will cheer while CCP fix the tournament to restore the Ad Nauseum.
They will also believe every lie CCP Sreegs comes out with to achieve that end.
They will also compeltely disregard the fact that each of Sreegs' lies was presented without any evidence.
Anyway, it's a "good" tournament this year because nothing out of the ordinary will happen. CCP lost Nvidia as a sponsor for the AT due to the bad ending. Of course they mad. source on that?
Because they don't have a sponsor this year?
And are being forced to use Own3d.tv with ads?
And they had to force their hand by doing more PLEX requirements on ATX entries in order to host ATX?
It's obvious the loss of a sponsor has had multiple effects on ATXs production value.
CEO-á
Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable
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Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:26:00 -
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Tony Two Bullet wrote:
Because they don't have a sponsor this year?
That's not really a source, it's speculation.
nVidia don't really put a price on supplying a couple of gfx cards as prizes to get their name all over, so I'd be surprised at that.
If there is some genuine source on nVidia's position, I'd be thrilled to see it. I've never known nVidia before to have any sort of malice grinding department, so I'm doubting this quite a bit. Especially as any marketeer will tell you AT9 was a marketing goldmine.
Who won the first AT?
Who won the 2nd?
Not many people know these answers.
Who won the 9th?
Everybody knows. That's what marketing departments care about. Marketing know that AT10 will be remembered as the year CCP rigged a tournament for whatever reason and nobody will remember who "won" it.
So yeah, I'd like to see that source.
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And are being forced to use Own3d.tv with ads?
And they had to force their hand by doing more PLEX requirements on ATX entries in order to host ATX?
It's obvious the loss of a sponsor has had multiple effects on ATXs production value.
Hot dam, where's the source?
They took 10's of thousands of dollars in entry fees which is just good business.
And since AT9 nVidia punted out 100 gfx cards through CCP via plex, so it's not like nVidia are showing clear evidence of butthurt, but of course if there is some source to this info........ |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
93
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:25:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Quite simply - **** HYDRA, they tried to cheat then shot their remaining credibility in the head by endlessly whining when they got caught then smugposting about how they would just go to another game and win there. If they hadnt inserted their heads firmly into their own rectums at the first opportunity i might have had some sympathy. I know everyone is tired of this discussion but I'm honestly amazed at how anyone can believe this version of events. We tried to clarify some vague rules (i.e. had no intention of cheating), explained what we were doing and were pretty open (i.e. you canGÇÖt say we got GÇ£caughtGÇ¥ when we never tried to hide how we practiced). This tournament meant a lot to us, knowing how closely weGÇÖd be watched this year you canGÇÖt think we would intentionally put ourselves in violation of any rules at the risk of being banned. That we were banned is, at best, a reflection of the tournament team's poor/selective communication policy.
TBH I wrote that post when i was trying and failing to get to sleep, was way more grumpy than i intended and not at all what i meant to mention. Apologies for confusing things with that.
The point i tried and failed to make was that regardless of the circumstances, like you said theres many different versions of what happened, you lost a lot of peoples sympathy, mine included, with bad forum behaviour and **** posting in the days after ccps initial response. Not all of it was from your members and not all of it was serious, I've been on these forums long enough to know what a cesspool it is at the best of times, but as far as i could see it really eroded what little goodwill you had to the point people didnt give a **** either way any more and just wanted you to shut the hell up. |
fpshacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.07.07 13:33:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Duncan Tanner wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Quite simply - **** HYDRA, they tried to cheat then shot their remaining credibility in the head by endlessly whining when they got caught then smugposting about how they would just go to another game and win there. If they hadnt inserted their heads firmly into their own rectums at the first opportunity i might have had some sympathy. I know everyone is tired of this discussion but I'm honestly amazed at how anyone can believe this version of events. We tried to clarify some vague rules (i.e. had no intention of cheating), explained what we were doing and were pretty open (i.e. you canGÇÖt say we got GÇ£caughtGÇ¥ when we never tried to hide how we practiced). This tournament meant a lot to us, knowing how closely weGÇÖd be watched this year you canGÇÖt think we would intentionally put ourselves in violation of any rules at the risk of being banned. That we were banned is, at best, a reflection of the tournament team's poor/selective communication policy. TBH I wrote that post when i was trying and failing to get to sleep, was way more grumpy than i intended and not at all what i meant to mention. Apologies for confusing things with that. The point i tried and failed to make was that regardless of the circumstances, like you said theres many different versions of what happened, you lost a lot of peoples sympathy, mine included, with bad forum behaviour and **** posting in the days after ccps initial response. Not all of it was from your members and not all of it was serious, I've been on these forums long enough to know what a cesspool it is at the best of times, but as far as i could see it really eroded what little goodwill you had to the point people didnt give a **** either way any more and just wanted you to shut the hell up.
sorry mah $w@gg rubbed yo butthole raw hommie. |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
Cascade Imminent
216
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Posted - 2012.07.07 17:49:00 -
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Were they banned? I must have missed that in the forums. I do know that ccp said due to previous outcome of AT9, there would not be automatic entry, as for banned, that probably came under the affiliated alliance rules did it not? |
Zinta Winter
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:07:00 -
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Ban the top 2 teams of the tournament
Expect a decent tournament
Oh ccp you so crzy  |
NinjaTurtle
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:17:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: I think there's been enough posting about that so w/e ;P
clearly not enough in the last week, i thought hydra threads were 60% of the tourny |
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