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Kalanar Caldari Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 03:15:00 - [1] News Disclaimer: The following post has been provided to you in an effort to capture the war from both sides with a fair lack of bias. Obviously, for those involved in EVE, bias is a given, so accept the following as whatever you wish. I wouldn't ask for otherwise. I am not neutral in this conflict, but would like to provide a neutral viewpoint. War has broken out in the North, with the great Northern Coalition facing the invading forces of the Southern Coalition. The Northern Coalition, comprised primarily of Morsus Mihi, RAZOR Alliance, the Tau Ceti Federation, Mostly Harmless, and Majesta Empire, has done an interesting job defending - pushing back primary assault forces and maintaining their ground. Early battle reports have cost the Southern Coalition (IT Alliance, The Initiative, RED.OverLord, Black Star Alliance, and Atlas Alliance). An early battle in the system X-7OMU cost the Southern Coalition almost fourty billion in losses. The South brought seven titans and sixteen supercarriers to the battle, while the North brought only two titans and five supercarriers. The North took out one of the motherships, a Wyvern piloted by Sidius Aldar, at approximately 00:37 ET. The loss amounted to about fifteen billion isk, according to battle reports released by IT. The loss was hailed as a major victory for the Nothern Coalition. However, nuetral military experts who have requested anonimity have noted that the battle was not as large of a victory as the North might have believed. The Northern Coalition lost over 100 battleships during the fight, with the South losing less than half that amount. The experts noted that the true path of a war is often determined by the battleship losses, which are often not subsidized by the Alliances. "These ships come out of the pockets of the pilots", noted the anonymous war expert, "eventually, the pilots will be less willing to lose ships, and then they'll be less willing to join the fight. A single supercarrier destruction might be a temporary moral boost, but it won't win them the war". The fight continues in X-7OMU, with the North still beating back the South. Although the bragging and celebrating continues among the Northern forces, the same experts noted that this war is one of "attrition". "The South has the advanced war capability that many of the less PvP-oriented pilots in the North lack. They need to remove the enemy completely quickly, or the roaming gangs of IT will eventually wear down and destroy the North". However, preliminary battle reports still have the North in the lead, with the IT killboard reporting only a 31% efficiency in the X-7OMU system alone (47.8 billion killed / 105.1 billion lost). Military experts still suggest that "IT and SC battle reports will improve - the North still has quite a war to fight". So, do the North have a reason to celebrate? "Certainly", said one military expert, but "the North also still have reason to fear. The wheels of war have started turning and the South won't give up until the North is burning". In related news: CAOD has broken out into tactical debate, with the new question posed, "Is local smacktalk a viable strategy?", with Homo Erectus of IT Alliance suggesting that, indeed, local talk has proven it viability in the past as a method of intimidation, as well as providing several examples of the Northern Coalition employing its own tactic. The Privateer Alliance has also reset standings, offering its services as an empire disruption service for just the cost of "the war dec". The Alliance commented further that "the only side we choose is the side of isk".
Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 03:26:00 - [2] IT ALLIANCE IS FULL OF NEWBIES AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SURVIVE. TRUST ME, I'M AN INSIDE SOURCE.
Kalanar Caldari Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 03:41:00 - [3] Duly noted. Will note this in my next report. IT spies report that only three or four members (Molle and his alts) have more than 1m sp. Motherships are piloted by multiple pilots at the same time. This was the reason for their loss - confusion and misdirection among the five pilots in the Wyvern.
Commander Predator Caldari The Hurt Locker Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.04.04 03:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Kalanar Duly noted. Will note this in my next report. IT spies report that only three or four members (Molle and his alts) have more than 1m sp. Motherships are piloted by multiple pilots at the same time. This was the reason for their loss - confusion and misdirection among the five pilots in the Wyvern. ^^ i luled
Lord Zim Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2010.04.04 04:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Kalanar News Disclaimer: However, nuetral military experts who have requested anonimity have noted that the battle was not as large of a victory as the North might have believed. The Northern Coalition lost over 100 battleships during the fight, with the South losing less than half that amount. The experts noted that the true path of a war is often determined by the battleship losses, which are often not subsidized by the Alliances. "These ships come out of the pockets of the pilots", noted the anonymous war expert, "eventually, the pilots will be less willing to lose ships, and then they'll be less willing to join the fight. A single supercarrier destruction might be a temporary moral boost, but it won't win them the war". I'd be very interested in seeing those numbers backed up, for the very simple reason that I can't get them to add up. What I can gather from our own sources is that we killed close to 70 or 80 bs and lost 30 or so bs, during the entire 1st of april.
UVPhoenix2 Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.04.04 04:09:00 - [6] Great thread will read again soon. I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig.
Kalanar Caldari Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 04:28:00 - [7] I took those numbers off of the IT board - which was the board that my sources were also using, hence I picked it. I cross referenced those numbers with the MM killboard as well, so hopefully they were slightly accurate. There is, however, always the problem when friendly get hit by friendly fire, which often has the tendency to count a ship on both sides. I assume they are fairly accurate, but if you want to add them up yourself, go to http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info, find the battle that is relevant to all of this, and add up the losses. It is very conveniently organized.
Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 04:38:00 - [8] NC JUST SPENT 10 MINUTES SPAMMING LOCAL FOR ME AGAIN. IT WAS SUCH A NICE GESTURE.
ElrondMD Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.04 04:43:00 - [9] Your anonymous military experts are true visionaries
5QU199L35 Minmatar L337 KR3W	Posted - 2010.04.04 05:32:00 - [10] smacking in local, and especially on forums is highly inappropriate.

Vile Wretch Caldari G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.04 06:51:00 - [11] some might even say, 'Wildly Innappropriate'? haha
Bobbeh Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.04 07:09:00 - [12] Posting in an IT Damage Control Thread
BlueMajere Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.04.04 07:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Bobbeh Posting in an IT Damage Control Thread it's almost being crowded out by all the NC damage ccontrol threads this folks is what we call irony overload.
Dr Ngo Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.04.04 07:35:00 - [14] I am NOT reading all that.
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.04 09:48:00 - [15] I think you'll find that if you put super capital and capital kills under peoples guns, they are prepared to lose a few more bs than those stuck spinning and dying on station undocks.
Ur235 Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.04.04 10:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Ur235 on 04/04/2010 10:12:55 At least the western assault is going well, cloud ring will prob fall by this time next week at the latest if goons keep refusing to fight they have already lost most of there moon income And if goons dont show up tonight to defend there sation they really are screwed
Prissa Amarr The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 10:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Kalanar The experts noted that the true path of a war is often determined by the battleship losses, which are often not subsidized by the Alliances. "These ships come out of the pockets of the pilots", noted the anonymous war expert. Get a better expert.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.04.04 11:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Ur235 Edited by: Ur235 on 04/04/2010 10:12:55 At least the western assault is going well, cloud ring will prob fall by this time next week at the latest if goons keep refusing to fight they have already lost most of there moon income And if goons dont show up tonight to defend there sation they really are screwed Let me tell you a little story. About 2 months ago, when we first moved to Syndicate, A Dead Terrorist guy convo'd me, sperging out about how CH was going to kill one of their tech moons that night, begging for our help. We, of course, were in no shape to do so, so I politely declined. It must really ruffle your feathers to be forced by your IT overlords to work with those you've been fighting with for so long.
Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.04 11:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Homo Erectus on 04/04/2010 11:26:25 Originally by: DaiTengu It must really ruffle your feathers to be forced by your IT overlords to work with those you've been fighting with for so long. AM TOLD BY GOON NUBBINS THAT THIS IS THE PART WHERE ONE IS SUPPOSED TO SAY U MAD?
Crias Taylor Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Homo Erectus Edited by: Homo Erectus on 04/04/2010 11:26:25 Originally by: DaiTengu It must really ruffle your feathers to be forced by your IT overlords to work with those you've been fighting with for so long. AM TOLD BY GOON NUBBINS THAT THIS IS THE PART WHERE ONE IS SUPPOSED TO SAY U MAD? Never stop posting.

brutorans Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Vile Wretch some might even say, 'Wildly Innappropriate'? haha dont ever stop posting
TK420 Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Kalanar -snip- You have anonymous sources for opinions? Do they all happen to be from IT? If you're going to do propaganda at least make it funny.
RifterDrifter Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:50:00 - [23] Originally by: TK420 If you're going to do propaganda at least make it funny. I will now quote this in every single NC-chestbeating-thread. _______________________________________________
TK420 Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:52:00 - [24] Originally by: RifterDrifter Originally by: TK420 If you're going to do propaganda at least make it funny. I will now quote this in every single NC-chestbeating-thread. Well hell, if you're going to quote it at least use this as an example: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1294868
Julia Ginzinger Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.04.04 12:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Homo Erectus Edited by: Homo Erectus on 04/04/2010 11:26:25 Originally by: DaiTengu It must really ruffle your feathers to be forced by your IT overlords to work with those you've been fighting with for so long. AM TOLD BY GOON NUBBINS THAT THIS IS THE PART WHERE ONE IS SUPPOSED TO SAY U MAD? so uhm, u mad?
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.05 00:04:00 - [26] I be mad. I'm glad glad to see the game is still ghey sig nerfed ;/
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Cult of War	Posted - 2010.04.05 06:41:00 - [27] Originally by: RifterDrifter I will now quote this in every single NC-chestbeating-thread. there's a 5 minute posting limit, I don't think it's going to be possible.
RifterDrifter Minmatar They Found Oil On Your Anus	Posted - 2010.04.05 09:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Teschan Originally by: RifterDrifter I will now quote this in every single NC-chestbeating-thread. there's a 5 minute posting limit, I don't think it's going to be possible. I've already done it brah. And the posting limit is easy to go around. _______________________________________________
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 11:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Kalanar News Good Read ... thanks for the effort Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Turin Hawkeye Caldari Born-2-Kill Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.04.05 12:09:00 - [30] Just a quick question, Why SC take on X-7omu and not a NC system with an outpost? A good NC system with outpost in my opinion is EC-P8R that connect to 0.5 sytem (Torrinos)? By taking out that system from NC, it cut out part of the major supply route for NC. At the same time it's easy for SC to supply the system with ships and modules, a good staging position for caps, and easy for industrial ships to resupply the outpost with their losses. I still think SC made the wrong choice by taking x-7 because it's hard for them to contain NCs and hard to def the system because NCs can use guerrilla styles to hit and run and hide in npc stations. By taking EC-p8r, SC just need to control Torrinos gate in EC-p8r system. That way, SC can keep baiting NC and kill them bit by bit, and NC can't hide anymore. This gives the freedom for small SC fleets to roam and hit other places. At the same time, SC should take out another system about 10 jumps away. That way it will split the NC forces, and make them disorganize at the early stage of the war. That's my opinion anyway



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