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JackTheFrost	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:16:00 - [1] i have no issue with the fourm rules nor do i have an issue with any moderator.
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:17:00 - [2] No talking about fight club, I mean forum rules. _________________________________ ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
MickeyKnox Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:17:00 - [3] Ok. Then this is spam. And a rant. Reported.
JackTheFrost	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:22:00 - [4] Originally by: MickeyKnox Ok. Then this is spam. And a rant. Reported. please be so kind as to explain
MickeyKnox Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:23:00 - [5] Originally by: JackTheFrost Originally by: MickeyKnox Ok. Then this is spam. And a rant. Reported. please be so kind as to explain Your topic does not encourage a discussion. It's spam. They're on their way to you already.
JackTheFrost	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:28:00 - [6] Originally by: MickeyKnox Originally by: JackTheFrost Originally by: MickeyKnox Ok. Then this is spam. And a rant. Reported. please be so kind as to explain Your topic does not encourage a discussion. It's spam. They're on their way to you already. here is ccp's definition of spam Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes ôfirstö and ôgo back to <another game>ö posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome. i have posted this only once therefore it is not spam yet you are trolling my topic which is against fourm rules
MickeyKnox Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:30:00 - [7] Times have changed, man. You need to go with the flow.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:33:00 - [8] Originally by: MickeyKnox Times have changed, man. You need to go with the flow. I seriously hope you do understand the paradox the forum is currently in, yes? Read rules 2, and 5 - then rethink your actions.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 16:35:00 - [9] Give em a break at least, try not to spam up the forums...moderating internet game forums is srsbzns...but seriously, give em a bit of a break pls :) Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
JackTheFrost	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:06:00 - [10] eh i wasnt spaming up the fourms i was posting my opinion. and got trolled. i did it earlier got trolled by the same person and then locked. the same person that trolled me has cause several topics to get locked. its not the mods being crazy its one guy trolling and reporting.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Barakkus on 05/04/2010 17:09:53 Originally by: JackTheFrost eh i wasnt spaming up the fourms i was posting my opinion. and got trolled. i did it earlier got trolled by the same person and then locked. the same person that trolled me has cause several topics to get locked. its not the mods being crazy its one guy trolling and reporting. O I'm just sayin in general for peoples to not be too over the top and giving the mods a hard time ;) And btw, the suggestion Shaddow/Adida has made to do the petition thing to gripe about forum policy is probably best, I don't think either of them get to decide how the rules are enforced, it's usually the community rep, and they usually get direction about it from a higher up than that. So using the petition dealie they've been linking is the best way to have your disagreement heard, the person that told them what to do with OOPE isn't going to see all these threads for the most part. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Barakkus O I'm just sayin in general for peoples to not be too over the top and giving the mods a hard time ;) And btw, the suggestion Shaddow/Adida has made to do the petition thing to gripe about forum policy is probably best, I don't think either of them get to decide how the rules are enforced, it's usually the community rep, and they usually get direction about it from a higher up than that. So using the petition dealie they've been linking is the best way to have your disagreement heard, the person that told them what to do with OOPE isn't going to see all these threads for the most part. Is it buggery. I've petitioned, but all I got back was the same BS they've been handing out on the forums. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. CCP couldn't give a toss about what it's paying customers think, or they'd have done something about this. Instead the locks are coming thick and fast.... thick being the operative word. Have Sony bought up CCP whilst I had my back turned for 5 mins or something? This current debacle is worthy of them. Pathetic. Also, what constitutes over the top exactly? Would blindly blundering on with an unpopular course of action following a stealth rule change in clear defiance of unanimous opposition (whilst deleting any incriminating evidence) count as over the top? Answers on a postcard please to the usual address. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: Barakkus O I'm just sayin in general for peoples to not be too over the top and giving the mods a hard time ;) And btw, the suggestion Shaddow/Adida has made to do the petition thing to gripe about forum policy is probably best, I don't think either of them get to decide how the rules are enforced, it's usually the community rep, and they usually get direction about it from a higher up than that. So using the petition dealie they've been linking is the best way to have your disagreement heard, the person that told them what to do with OOPE isn't going to see all these threads for the most part. Is it buggery. I've petitioned, but all I got back was the same BS they've been handing out on the forums. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. CCP couldn't give a toss about what it's paying customers think, or they'd have done something about this. Instead the locks are coming thick and fast.... thick being the operative word. Have Sony bought up CCP whilst I had my back turned for 5 mins or something? This current debacle is worthy of them. Pathetic. Also, what constitutes over the top exactly? Would blindly blundering on with an unpopular course of action following a stealth rule change in clear defiance of unanimous opposition (whilst deleting any incriminating evidence) count as over the top? Answers on a postcard please to the usual address. I used to be a forum mod for SOE ;) (StrollingWolf in EQ2) Trust me, someone will get a hold of the petitions more than seeing the tantrums on the forums. Things don't happen as quickly as everyone would like, but I'm sure there will be a discussion at some point in one of their meetings this week :) Over the top = spamming the ** out of this board with threads that you know will get locked... While I don't agree with over-moderation (part of why I quit moderating for SOE), giving em a hard time kinda sux too...just repeat to yourself "it's not their fault" (referring to the moderators). Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems	Posted - 2010.04.05 17:54:00 - [14] The rule has been changed so CCP will have to stop looking at threads that end up 14 or 62 pages long that the players keep alive because CCP needs to deal with it. Its just another reason not to listen to the players. _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:00:00 - [15] Honestly, EQ2 suffered from the lead moderator trying to rule the forums with an iron fist, and convinced the community rep (who was a bit busy with other things than babysitting the forums all day) that it was a good idea. It killed EQ2's forums until Kiara took over as community rep (which she used to be a grunt moderator like I was). Once she got a hold of things and got people to calm down on the moderation, the forums actually turned into a place that it should have been (and the original moderator team like myself tried to make it). So a little patience and understanding, and firm persistence with voicing your concerns in the proper methods, will most likely yield some sort of results/compromise everyone can live with ;) Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Darkaene	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Barakkus While I don't agree with over-moderation (part of why I quit moderating for SOE), giving em a hard time kinda sux too...just repeat to yourself "it's not their fault" (referring to the moderators). I look at it slightly differently. Assuming the mods are just following orders that they don't much like, this sort of outcry/resistance/etc gives said mods loads of evidence for potential arguments against the rule changes. It also makes their job difficult to do, so CCP ends up in the unenviable position of having to repeal a rule change or hire more mods otherwise the ability to moderate the forums becomes ineffective. Which is why there are so many posts. Whether or not it ultimately works depends on how long the OOPE can hold a grudge. Conversely if everyone simply filed petitions, and abides the rules... well there isn't really a problem is there? The forums are working exactly as CCP wants them to work. Assuming a rule like, "No talking about other games" is not motivated by concerns that the topic is too controversial for civilized conversation. That it is censure to protect them from the perceived threat other games represent in drawing players away from Eve. Then the quantity of petitions protesting it probably won't achieve anything.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Darkaene Then the quantity of petitions protesting it probably won't achieve anything. I beg to differ. All I'm saying, don't take it out on the mods, I betcha they're not even paid, they're probably volunteers trying to do some good for the community, but have to follow CCP's rules to go about it. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Darkaene	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 05/04/2010 18:27:29 Originally by: Darkaene Then the quantity of petitions protesting it probably won't achieve anything. I beg to differ. You may beg to differ, but you might take the quoted sentence in context starting with the word Assuming into consideration rather than just the cherry picked sentence. You might also consider the fact that posters did not abide the rules, and did make it difficult to moderate the forums which might be a contributing factor in their interest to resolve things, rather than the petitions alone. This speculative assertion still assumes certain things. :)
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:54:00 - [19] Petitioning would have gotten the same results as a forum melt down though, they do evaluate their customer service on a regular basis, like any company would, even though it appears to not happen to the forum posters that complain about it constantly. In my past experience, the people that whine the loudest about "flaws in customer service" never really tell the whole story on the forums about it. 99% of the time whatever didn't get resolved to "their satisfaction" happened that way for specific reasons they didn't disclose in their /whine threads on the forums. But anyways, whatever, at least we know CCP takes their community seriously ;) Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Darkaene	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:01:00 - [20] True! After a fashion. Unless you actually work at CCP in the relevant departments where the policy is being made yours is speculation as much as mine. Not all companies operate in the same way, ideally it would be as you say, but in the absence of transparency we can only speculate. I'd prefer to think as you do, but there are a lot of if's on both sides of the coin. Either way, its been interesting... :)

CCP Adida	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:16:00 - [21] To continue this discussion please reply to the official thread HERE. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online


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