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Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:31:00 - [1] - Quote So I just watched a video on a guy who used a Pilgrim for various exploration doodads and anomalies. I was even so pumped to go out and purchase and fit up my own Pilgrim. My own 250 dps dealing, 300 dps tanking Pilgrim. Sigh. This got me thinking. What ship do you use for exploration? Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites? (obviously i mean the hacking/analyzing, not the mining... although.... Mining Barge with a probe launcher GO GO!) Is there such a ship that would handle anomalies as well as the exploration sites? In all of the above situations I'm specifically talking about Low-Sec space although open discussion on all security is welcome. Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Tomcio FromFarAway Singularity's Edge 108	Posted - 2012.07.06 06:47:00 - [2] - Quote Pilgrim is good for professions sites but it is quite terrible for combat sites in low/null. Can be used to do hisec combat sites. Ishtar is considered to be one of the best hi/low/null exploration boats. It can also deal with low/null anomalies. Tengu is considered to be the king of most types of pve. It is perfect for low/null exploration, wormholes and anomalies. Drone Proteus is very good for lowsec. Can be used in null but Tengu is considerably better here. It is the best low/null profession sites explorer however. Works in any space. All T3s can be fitted with scannning subsystem, which will make scanning much faster but you can fit probe launcher on any ship. With good skills, some implants, grav cap rigs and SOE probes/launcher you can pin down most of the sites in unbonused ships. If a ship can deal with exploration sites in systems with specific sec level it will also deal with anomalies there. Ship's choice depends on pirate faction you will be dealing with ( for combat sites at least ).
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:05:00 - [3] - Quote Any suggested fits for the Ishtar and Tengu. How does the Sac weigh in? Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Tomcio FromFarAway Singularity's Edge 108	Posted - 2012.07.06 07:41:00 - [4] - Quote About Ishtar ( and nullsec exploration in general ) : Nullsec ninja exploration My lowsec Tengu fit for Serpentis/Guristas spaces: [Tengu, Naughty Peeper] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst I don't have experience with Sacrilege.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 235	Posted - 2012.07.06 08:10:00 - [5] - Quote this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher.... "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.06 08:36:00 - [6] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher.... haha! Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Tomcio FromFarAway Singularity's Edge 108	Posted - 2012.07.06 09:16:00 - [7] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher.... You are right of course. I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes : Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own : Use scanning alt or Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites There. It should clear things out.
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 25	Posted - 2012.07.06 09:23:00 - [8] - Quote That or a dual-mar ishtar would work. It has already been mentioned once but its worth mentioning again that the tengu is the best way to go for this sort of thing. I have taken my pvp fit cloaky scanny tengu and soloed up to 5/10's in various parts of space. Granted I have to do a fair bit of kiting in mine but its possible to make a brick out of one without much issue.
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.06 09:27:00 - [9] - Quote chris elliot wrote: That or a dual-mar ishtar would work. It has already been mentioned once but its worth mentioning again that the tengu is the best way to go for this sort of thing. I have taken my pvp fit cloaky scanny tengu and soloed up to 5/10's in various parts of space. Granted I have to do a fair bit of kiting in mine but its possible to make a brick out of one without much issue. This might be worth looking into now. I always said i wouldnt buy a t3 but i might not have a choice now :D Im guessing the subsystem revolving probing isnt overly needed with proper skills/sisters launcher + probes? Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 235	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:20:00 - [10] - Quote Tomcio FromFarAway wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher.... You are right of course. I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes : Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own : Use scanning alt or Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites There. It should clear things out. Th3 Ladyship wrote: Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites? "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF

Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 26	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:22:00 - [11] - Quote Come on guys. Less metagaming more discussion :( Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Tomcio FromFarAway Singularity's Edge 108	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:30:00 - [12] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Tomcio FromFarAway wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: this tengu will have trouble exploring without a probe launcher.... You are right of course. I didn't think that it would be required but here it goes : Disclaimer for simple minded people, who are incapable of doing even the most basic research on their own : Use scanning alt or Use so called 'travel fit' with probe launcher/ELA subsystem and switch to combat fit to do the combat sites There. It should clear things out. Th3 Ladyship wrote: Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites? "Is it feasible to use the same ship to scan them down AND complete the sites?" does not equate : "Please - ONLY ships that can scan AND complete the sites at the same time"
ChromeStriker The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes 177	Posted - 2012.07.06 10:44:00 - [13] - Quote You can scan and complete in a single ship... you need good scanning skills , sister probes and you wont be able to find the harder sites (maze), but the rest is easy enough - Nulla Curas
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 269	Posted - 2012.07.06 11:17:00 - [14] - Quote I just use alts This way you don't need to make any compromises, and you have the added bonus of being able to run a site while scanning down your next Or alternatively you don't need to do the dscan, because you can sit a cloaky covops at the entrance and just watch for people coming to get ya There should be a rather awesome pic here
Xhaiden Ora University of Caille Gallente Federation 245	Posted - 2012.07.06 11:25:00 - [15] - Quote A T3 really is the best bet for an all in one. Problem is the price tag may not be particularly cost effective. Pilgrim is definately a solid choice. It can speed tank larger ships and drones should rip through the ones small enough to threaten you. Just need to be on your toes. For larger ships you can use the neut bonuses to help break tanks ( energy neuts should reduce the rep ticks of npc rats ) and bring them down to a dps-able level for you. If I can pull an L4 in a Curse using neuts, the Pilgrim should be able to pull similar feats though it will have to snuggle up to BS rats a bit closer to do it. Fit some high damage close range turrets ( Autos for no cap drain mayhaps ) and it can get the job done on fat rats. Won't win any awards for speed. But it does cost 1/4th what a T3 does. -.-
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 160	Posted - 2012.07.06 12:33:00 - [16] - Quote Would it be worth trying to armor tank an Ishtar if you are going primarily against Blood Raiders? (Since they do all EM/Therm) rather than a passive shield tank? Or should I just stick to shield tanking and fit EM/Therm hardeners? In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.
Zor'katar Matari Recreation 8	Posted - 2012.07.06 18:53:00 - [17] - Quote As has been mentioned, T3 cruisers would do the job nicely, but the pricetag, of course, is quite high. With that in mind, I toyed around on Sisi with a Muninn fitted to be a lowsec explorer in Blood/Sansha space. I was pretty happy with its performance and will probably give it a run on live when I get a chance. With Sisters' launcher and probes, and all skills at 4, I was able to scan down (with some difficulty) one of what I think was the weakest signal Mag sites out there. I didn't have any implants... I may have had a scanning rig. Can't remember. But yeah, it's doable without a scan-bonused ship, if you don't mind it taking a bit longer on average to scan sites down. As far as performance, it did Radar sites easily and I also ran a couple of 4/10 combat sites without much difficulty. You can't fit it for both Radar and Mag at the same time and keep the stats, but you can carry an Analyzer and Salvager and dock up and fit them when you want.
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 27	Posted - 2012.07.07 09:39:00 - [18] - Quote So, if we were to play devil's advocate. What kind of setup are we talking? I cant seem to have one work well enough. Even if i take the covert offensive subsystem off its still kinda iffy. Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Forum Foreplay Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2012.07.07 17:01:00 - [19] - Quote I use a Loki, basically you can get down to about .4 space and after that you need a bigger ship.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 550	Posted - 2012.07.07 17:12:00 - [20] - Quote Th3 Ladyship wrote: So, if we were to play devil's advocate. What kind of setup are we talking? I cant seem to have one work well enough. Even if i take the covert offensive subsystem off its still kinda iffy. For low sec? Carry a refit. I swap two subs on my Tengu (covops for accelerated ejection bay and emergent locus analyzer for dissolution sequencer) along with some mods (tank stays the same, add a launcher, strip off the codebreaker, add a BCU) when I want to run a combat site. Travel fit also has an expanded cargohold for more ammunition/loot. Just don't get yourself camped in to a station and you should be fine that way.

Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2012.07.07 18:37:00 - [21] - Quote Basicly it depends on what kind of exploration you plan on doing and more to the point in what kind of space. However the best all rounder is still easily the tengu. Also don't scan with you're combat ship get an alt.
Whang'Lo Set Sail to Epic Fail 1	Posted - 2012.07.10 10:52:00 - [22] - Quote I use a arbitrator. Gets the job done and I'm not too worried about getting hunted down. Someone else mentioned bringing into to low-sec some swap out stuff, thats exactly what I do. I use a warp stab to get to where I'm going, then toss on a codebreaker as the most common things I find are radar sites. If I find a arch site, then toss on a analyser and a salvager. Pilgrim would be sweet though, I just can't afford to fly it.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 139	Posted - 2012.07.11 10:45:00 - [23] - Quote Armor tanked Myrmidons aren't too shabby for exploration. You can fit a cloak and launcher in the highs, codebreaker and analyzer in the mids, rig it for exploration, and still fit a decent tank and offense. A hurricane can be fit similarly, but you'll be using artillery rather than drones for DPS. The only real advantage of a Pilgrim is that it can slip past gate camps.
Th3 Ladyship Red Shift Enterprises 28	Posted - 2012.07.11 12:31:00 - [24] - Quote I mean, I have an alt that can capably scan sites down for me, but I was kinda hoping that there would be an all-in-one out there. I guess short of a Cov-Ops Offensive system T3 I won't get what I'm looking for. On a side note, on my original "LOL THE PILGRIM SO BAD" - It could be worse, I could be trying to do it with ANY other Force Recon lols. Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
Maeltstome Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing 35	Posted - 2012.07.11 12:36:00 - [25] - Quote Ishtar can do 8/10 Guristas. up to about 1800 passive shield regen against guris. - its a brick though. There is 1 particular site with a amssive EM torp that you can't do though. it's a pain. Might be the maze?
Lugia3 Shydow Imperium 7	Posted - 2012.07.12 19:28:00 - [26] - Quote I use an Assault Drake. Its funner than using a tiny scanner frig, especially with the inferno update. The assault missiles have terrible range though...


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