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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:33:00 -
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Oops, the computer did it.
"This successful exercise in autonomous robotics could presage the future of the American way of war: a day when drones hunt, identify and kill the enemy based on calculations made by software, not decisions made by humans,GÇ¥ ....minus beefcake and time travel."
Links:
A future for drones: Automated killing
US Military Moving Closer To Automated Killing
"CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.21 20:23:00 -
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Well the US truly is turning in the Gallente federation. Even the part about talking up "liberty" while doing the opposite is matched.
I have it on inside word that the guys doing the remote drones are having to look at carnage all day - right down to dead non-combatants - and then go home to their families all screwed up in the head. So the search and selection process is on for that type of person who can bomb the baby carriage for the lulz.
Bet the Pentagram ... uh... Pentagon is going to start looking at killboards. |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.21 22:06:00 -
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Autonomous capability has been here for awhile just a lack of implementation because no one quite knows what to make of it.
Had to write up a report for an evolution of warfare class on it.
This is a good book. Explains quite a lot of the philosophical debates over robotics in warfare.
^ From what i've heard people are less apt to get PTSD/a heavy conscious from launching weapons remotely. Matter of fact people are more likely to release weapons on drones that actual on station pilots. Essentially video game syndrome. |
Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.09.21 22:25:00 -
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I think the fear of computer-controlled UAVs conducting erroneous strikes is overblown. So long as the fear exists there will always be something built into the process to ensure human oversight and verification of the target before a weapon is released. It's very much that case right now with the human-controlled UAVs right now. No pilot possesses weapons-release authority from what I understand. The decision always rests with some higher-level authority. Commander S. Baxter (CN) CEO, The Synenose Accord |
Zey Nadar
Unknown Soldiers Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.21 23:09:00 -
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Its only a glitch |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.22 00:40:00 -
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There isn't going to be automated drones shooting people...our AI are still decades way too stupid to figure things out on their own. No weapons release without human consent, ever. There is enough incidents where innocents are killed, so are they just going to add heaps more?
Having autopilot drones land and air patrolling is cool and less dangerous, its just going to be used to bomb for democracy for years to come. so doesn't serve any good use. meh [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
Azelor Delaria
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.22 02:34:00 -
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No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.22 03:39:00 -
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To all you folks who play WoT and wish to join the military, this is a good chance to hone in on you mouse/keyboard skills. Will go a long way toward controlling those drones. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.09.22 03:57:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:There isn't going to be automated drones shooting people...our AI are still decades way too stupid to figure things out on their own. No weapons release without human consent, ever. There is enough incidents where innocents are killed, so are they just going to add heaps more?
I would expect a less ethical power to develop drone-mines. Instead of boring stay-in-place mines, you create small drones that fly around, home in on heat sources and explode. Instead of Bouncing Betties that pop up when stepped, we get get a battlefield seeded with flying mini-mines with the aggressiveness and intelligence of angry wasps. Or walking, pressure sensitive beetle mines that crawl around at night and hide in people's boots.
You could seed these across an ubran environment (provided you didn't give a damn about civilian casualties) or across an enemy's base or supply depot as an anti-personnel area denial weapon.
edit: or small insect drones that a single person can release near an airbase and the drones are smart enough to hide in jet engine air intakes as a means of damaging or destroying the jet engines. |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.09.22 10:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Well the US truly is turning in the Gallente federation. Even the part about talking up "liberty" while doing the opposite is matched.
I have it on inside word that the guys doing the remote drones are having to look at carnage all day - right down to dead non-combatants - and then go home to their families all screwed up in the head. So the search and selection process is on for that type of person who can bomb the baby carriage for the lulz.
Bet the Pentagram ... uh... Pentagon is going to start looking at killboards.
I'd bomb a baby carriage for the lulz...why else would you bomb a baby carriage if not for the lulz? |
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NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:33:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way.
I'd have to disagree with that statement partially. While not guided and did major damage as well, it took just two nukes to end japan main land campaign and the whole WWII without setting troops on the island. I dont remember another example for ending war without troops but i am pretty sure there is one |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:28:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way.
Not really, we're batting 0-2 for the last 10 years. |
Azelor Delaria
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:24:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way. Not really, we're batting 0-2 for the last 10 years.
How much worse would it have been if troops weren't on the ground with the people? if we merely bombed them into the stone age (and yes, that was a technological advancement for them, I know!) and didn't send in ground forces, then there would be only the Taliban picking up the pieces. Al Queda would still be running around with bin Laden as their poster boy. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:56:00 -
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NeoShocker wrote:[quote=Azelor Delaria] I'd have to disagree with that statement partially. While not guided and did major damage as well, it took just two nukes to end japan main land campaign and the whole WWII without setting troops on the island. I dont remember another example for ending war without troops but i am pretty sure there is one
You're forgetting the PBIs who had to take islands from the Japanese in order for the bombers to have air bases in range of Japan.
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Mudkest
Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:58:00 -
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NeoShocker wrote:
I'd have to disagree with that statement partially. While not guided and did major damage as well, it took just two nukes to end japan main land campaign and the whole WWII without setting troops on the island. I dont remember another example for ending war without troops but i am pretty sure there is one
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson7.html
taken from another oope post, but but well worth a read if you truly believe that |
Renius
TEMPLAR. Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.24 16:03:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way.
You sound like you have vast knowledge and experience of this subject, have you ever had your boots on the ground (apart from COD)
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:38:00 -
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Yeah, the Balkan war was almost a complete air war...the only boots on the ground were the blue helmets sent there afterwards to screw prostitutes, get drunk, and do nothing AHEM I MEAN PROVIDE PEACEKEEPING AHEM. |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:29:00 -
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Skynet anyone? Wrangler Community Team Manager - Community Arch Wizard
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement. - Winston Churchill |
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Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:32:00 -
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The beginning of the rouge drones. ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:23:00 -
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Why would drones turn out a cosmetic red? Doesn't seem like a very tactical pragmatic idea... |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:09:00 -
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Astenion wrote:Yeah, the Balkan war was almost a complete air war...the only boots on the ground were the blue helmets sent there afterwards to screw prostitutes, get drunk, and do nothing AHEM I MEAN PROVIDE PEACEKEEPING AHEM.
Hey the UN provides important economic assistance to prostitutes the world over. NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:28:00 -
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More fool them i say.
Arthur C Clarke isnt so much as turning, hes doing freaking backflips.
Seriously... you put a weapon in the hands of a computer designed to kill - the only result that will come of it is a heck of a lot of bodies....
Robot with Gun films still make me laugh. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:39:00 -
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Something Random wrote:More fool them i say.
Arthur C Clarke isnt so much as turning, hes doing freaking backflips.
Seriously... you put a weapon in the hands of a computer designed to kill - the only result that will come of it is a heck of a lot of bodies....
Robot with Gun films still make me laugh.
There are, on a very small scale, robots that can disolve "meat" - dead flesh - and draw energy from that process.
They even crap too.
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.28 10:59:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way.
You mean like in Afganistan? Oh wait
If only the resources goning into this instead had gone into making robots that build houses and farms and other usefull stuff. |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.28 14:23:00 -
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Sidus Isaacs wrote:Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way. You mean like in Afganistan? Oh wait If only the resources goning into this instead had gone into making robots that build houses and farms and other usefull stuff.
No, not in Afghanistan or Iraq. I'm talking every war will require boots. You'll need the forces to occupy. You'll need the special forces to "paint" targets for those gosh-darned-smart drones. Like it or not, no war will ever be fought by machines exclusively. Or else they might rebel like the Cylons! D:
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2011.09.28 16:41:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: There are, on a very small scale, robots that can disolve "meat" - dead flesh - and draw energy from that process.
I saw a thing a while back, concept things I think, rather than production examples, one of them was a self-powered insect trap.
digested the things it caught, to run itself. |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2011.09.28 16:46:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way. You mean like in Afganistan? Oh wait If only the resources goning into this instead had gone into making robots that build houses and farms and other usefull stuff. No, not in Afghanistan or Iraq. I'm talking every war will require boots. You'll need the forces to occupy. You'll need the special forces to "paint" targets for those gosh-darned-smart drones. Like it or not, no war will ever be fought by machines exclusively. Or else they might rebel like the Cylons! D: We could make androids to fill those boots instead of humans though.
Wrangler Community Team Manager - Community Arch Wizard
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement. - Winston Churchill |
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.28 16:55:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:Azelor Delaria wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:Azelor Delaria wrote:No matter how smart we make our guided munitions, no matter how much we try to use those munitions to limit collateral damage, no war is ever won without the boots on the ground. You want a war won, you send in the Marines and Army.
And it will always be that way. You mean like in Afganistan? Oh wait If only the resources goning into this instead had gone into making robots that build houses and farms and other usefull stuff. No, not in Afghanistan or Iraq. I'm talking every war will require boots. You'll need the forces to occupy. You'll need the special forces to "paint" targets for those gosh-darned-smart drones. Like it or not, no war will ever be fought by machines exclusively. Or else they might rebel like the Cylons! D: We could make androids to fill those boots instead of humans though.
If I was a sentient machine I would get off this little blue rock asap, and leave behind all the misery :P |
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