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aechos
Minmatar
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2010.04.10 05:21:00 -
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So I have been tooling around in my hound for some time and have had a great time. I have been out of commission for a bit and have been training recons in the mean time. Most of the work I do is solo so as I have been doing research and much contemplation waiting for the skills to be to my liking, I have become concerned about the recons ability to kill swiftly. I have no concern with it's ability to kill just that many of my kills have been under the watchful gaze of the victims corp mates who then scramble to help only to realize I have already gone. Seems to me recons take some time to kill stuff bigger then a Cruiser. So the question is in particular what are the benefits to the recon class ship for cloaky solo wormhole warfare. I understand the negatives they seem fairly clear to me. higher Cost, lower DPS, Lower alpha... also is there a lock delay after uncloak for the recon? I have read people say it both ways and I am just unclear if it does or not? Thanks in advance for your insight
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Posted - 2010.04.10 07:24:00 -
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It depends on the recon. The pilgrim is a solo pirate's dream ship. It doesn't have much dps and is terribly slow but completely shuts down active tanks and disables turrets. If you decloak within 10km of a gunboat, you are almost guaranteed the kill assuming a proper pilgrim setup.
The others are a little less stellar for solo. The arazu is a great tackler but has little dps and no neuts to shut down their tank. The only thing I can solo with mine are stealth bombers and even those almost tank it (with no tanking mods). The falcon is in the same shape, it can catch stuff, tackle it and is basically invulnerable to counterattack but the damage is so weak you aren't going to kill much. Can't comment on the rapier but it's the least popular recon I think, so that isn't a good sign.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
It depends on the recon. The pilgrim is a solo pirate's dream ship. It doesn't have much dps and is terribly slow but completely shuts down active tanks and disables turrets. If you decloak within 10km of a gunboat, you are almost guaranteed the kill assuming a proper pilgrim setup.
The others are a little less stellar for solo. The arazu is a great tackler but has little dps and no neuts to shut down their tank. The only thing I can solo with mine are stealth bombers and even those almost tank it (with no tanking mods). The falcon is in the same shape, it can catch stuff, tackle it and is basically invulnerable to counterattack but the damage is so weak you aren't going to kill much. Can't comment on the rapier but it's the least popular recon I think, so that isn't a good sign.
Yeah... that last sentence there kinda ruined your credibility.
Rapier definatelly is NOT the least popular recon.
It doesn't dish out the most DPS or anything... BUT it IS the recon that can dictate range best of all recons.
If you fit a RF/domination warp disruptor on it, you could orbit your targets at 25 - 30km, do max damage (rapier uses arties), and keep your target DEAD IN SPACE.
This makes it an ideal ship to combat close-range enemies.
Just be sure that you only pick fights with (confirmed) close-ranged targets, kill their drones first with your own drones (if they send those to you)
and also make sure you could actually breakt the target's tank!
To awnser OP: yes, there is a targetting delay after decloaking from a (covert) recon. Check covops cloaks stats and recon ship stats. (unless it's noted in the information page that you have no after-decloak target delay you do).
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Posted - 2010.04.10 14:13:00 -
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Recons aren't meant to kill stuff quickly.
You seem to think that a recon is the natural progression from a stealth bomber, but that is not the case, they perform different roles.
They are ewar and support platforms, and performs tasks like: Sensor damping, Tracking disrupting, Target painting, Webbing, Warp scrambling, Energy neutralizing and Jamming. Each race has a cloaky version and a non-cloaky with a slightly higher damageoutput or slightly nastier bonuses to its support role.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Yeah... that last sentence there kinda ruined your credibility.
Rapier definatelly is NOT the least popular recon.
Not sure where you are but in gallente/amarr/minmatar low sec they are an exceptionally rare sight. I do see them, but the others show up much more often. Perhaps it's you who ruined your credibility?
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aechos
Minmatar
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2010.04.10 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Balardo
Recons aren't meant to kill stuff quickly.
You seem to think that a recon is the natural progression from a stealth bomber, but that is not the case, they perform different roles.
Guilty! That was my primary concern, and the conclusion I had come to as well. Thanks all for the insight, bummer about the de-cloak delay as well. I'll have to use it as a gang ship because it will limit my targets to much. thanks again
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:12:00 -
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Op should train for a rapier and team it up with a bomber or two as they go together like peanut butter and chocolate. *especially* if you can figure out a survivable fit that lets you wedge in a target painter. 
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Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.04.10 16:22:00 -
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Just get in a gang that has all 4 recons in it, problem solved
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