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Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:08:00 -
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Well with the recent loss of my first raven that popped just like that i feel disillusioned to play eve so is there any way to make a ton of isk fast to recoup my loss or is it back to wow?
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sandeep on 13/04/2010 04:35:46 How did you fund that Raven the first time? How long ago?
How did you lose it?
If you need to take a break, do it by all means.
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Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Faye taj on 13/04/2010 04:37:15 well i just lost it like a day ago duno what to do i basically saved up everything from all the mish i have done to fit and and buy a raven. Oh ya and it was my first time in level 4 mish =( bad experience.
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:40:00 -
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You should be able to afford and fit a Drake from the insurance money and any survived items you recovered.
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Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:44:00 -
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ya but it wouldn't be good and barley any fits lol plus id be stuck grinding my way through level 2 sounds like another long road and i might just get popped in the end again...
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Tobias Xiaosen
Gallente TX Holdings Company
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Xiaosen on 13/04/2010 04:50:42 Let this be a lesson to you. One of the golden rules of Eve:
DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
In any case, part of the charm of Eve is the very fact that you aren't safe. Like what happened to you, something you worked for can very easily go up in smoke. But that is what makes you actually care about your stuff, and gives it meaning. If its impossible to lose that awesome new ship you got, it becomes little more than a dusty trophy after a while.
All in all, don't take it too seriously, and pick yourself up. Eve is unforgiving. If you want to get ahead, you have to rely on yourself. Like RL.
If you can't live with it, then its your choice. But if you make it through, you will have experience worth more than any epic gear. ~
Originally by: Cthulhu ftghan
Keyboards are destructible. Much more so when used as a projectile.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 13/04/2010 04:50:03 If you cannot handle setbacks then this is problably not the game for you. However, if you are willing to work to recover from a loss, then keep at it.
As Sandeep suggested, get yourself into a well fitted Drake and you should be able to earn the ISK for a Raven fairly quickly. However, you should hold off on using the Raven until you are comfortable with the missions and have reasonable supporting skills: relavent skills should be at level 3 or preferably level 4.
If you can't do level 4 missions in a Drake, there is little reason to believe that you can do them in a Raven.
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Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:51:00 -
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lol why dident anyone say that rule to me... well thanks for the encouragement guess im back in eve, at least i have some high ranking among agents so i could start somewhere oh well another boring day of running lol ( yawn )
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MooKids
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:55:00 -
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Um, you are 11 days old and NOT ready for a battleship. I don't have to even see your skills to know you aren't ready. There are many skills a pilot must have before a battleship should even be considered.
Stick to cruisers for the time being, or even just a frigate, learn what you need to learn in the cheap stuff before going to the bigger stuff. I recommend at least 3 months of concentrated training before using a BS for PVE, at least 6 months to be somewhat effective for PVP.
Since you mentioned WoW, going into a level 4 mission at your skill level would be like a lvl 20 trying to take on UBRS for the first time, it ain't happening. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Faye taj on 13/04/2010 04:57:53 don't treat me like i just lost my ibis ! this just happens to be the alt of my ofter acc that lost his ship.
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MooKids
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.13 05:09:00 -
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Okay, but I see what I see, I meant no offense, just trying to save a new player. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Faye taj
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Posted - 2010.04.13 05:11:00 -
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oh okay sorry just a little mad losing my majestic raven =(
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.13 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Faye taj oh okay sorry just a little mad losing my majestic raven =(
With platinum insurance and even with named mods, including Arbalests, it should have cost you about 30m to lose it, maybe a bit more. That's a couple of missions. The only annoying thing about losing a ship is the hassle of sorting out a new one.
Anyway stick to it and you'll be fine, I suspect we have all lost good ships making mistakes. I once lost 3 Ravens in one epic mission as I was being bloody minded and refused to give up, I lost all the ISK I had. I did the same trying to get Dagan and when I got him without 1 ISK to my name I was the happiest player on the server. No risk is no fun although I agree is can be disheartening at first. After a while you get used to loss as you factor it into you're plans, at least that's what I do now.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.04.13 07:46:00 -
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I lost my first Sleipnir because I was so eager taking it out that I didn't bother checking if I had the right hardeners fitted. Had the bad luck of doing a mission with lots of scrambling frigs too.
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Charles Newton
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Faye taj Well with the recent loss of my first raven that popped just like that i feel disillusioned to play eve so is there any way to make a ton of isk fast to recoup my loss or is it back to wow?
I think you should go back to WoW. There you can run to your corpse, resurrect and you're ready to go enjoy lots of bright colors, effects and cool gear stuff.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2010.04.13 09:42:00 -
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Its always a good idea to team up with someone for your first couple of l4 missions. You will be much safer in general cause of faster reduction of incoming damage. Also if your team member is experienced in doing them you can learn quite a bit about tactics involved and even specific hints for the given missions.
In case you aren't in a corporation with people willing to help with that you can always find helpful people in public chat channels like HelpMyMission or Mentors (and probably many dozen more I don't know of).
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Ka choop
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Posted - 2010.04.13 10:19:00 -
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Basically the mind switch I had to make was seeing my ships as tools. Not as a path of progression.
If you want to be a carpenter you need a hammer. But the hammer is still the tool to do your job. You don't want the loss of a hammer to put you out of a job.
So, don't treat your ships as trophies where you're emotional attached to but as tools to do the things you like. Make a plan where the loss of a tool doesn't destroy your way of how you want to spend your time. And don't let the loss of a tool have the impact that you're back in a rookie ship but maybe even have a new ship ready, or at least the capital.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.04.13 12:04:00 -
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What Tobias said:
DONŠT FLY WHAT YOU CANŠT AFFORD TO LOSE!
As someone else mentioned your toon is 11 days old, all i can advice is PATIENCE. You will find out that eve is a game where patience is important, or you will struggle, and lose your raven (or drake now) while trying the angel extravaganza bonus room.
If your in DESPEARATE need to do L3Šs or even L4Šs please read eve survival mission reports BEFORE accepting the mission, and decline missions like Worlds Collide, Angel Extravaganza or similar, there is a thread out there something like "most dangerous L4 missions", search for it and stick to it, or weŠll have a thread tomorrow "I lost my drake now, back to WoW".
Remember: PATIENCE Welcome to Eve!
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2010.04.13 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Faye taj lol why dident anyone say that rule to me...
I wouldn' know. Everybody knows it, everybody says it, all the time. I THINK it is also written somewhere in the game tutorials (if it isn't CCP has to insert that into the tutorials ASAP). I guess that you just got unlucky that you never read it. After all it CAN happen not reading it in 11 days. If you joined EVE prompted by friends and they never told it to you, they are to blame.
Anyway, some mistakes you might want to correct:
1) "majestic" and "most valued possession". While I perfectly understand that to a newbie that might seem like that, a raven is no more than a hammer in EVE, and actually about as common.
2) How did you lose it exactly? Depending on the exact dynamic it might have depended on your inexperience, your lack of skills, or both.
3) Didn't you fully insure the raven? Platinum insurance on ANYTHING bigger than cruiser is mandatory until you are fully confident in flying the ship in the environment you are carrying it, or you have tons of money.
4) Running lvl2s to recover the loss??? Run level 3 with a BC (even basic insurance payout should be enough for that), it's much faster. Still, OBEY RULE #1. If you can't afford to lose a BC, stick to lvl 2s unless you can. But honestly, the loss of a fully insured BC should be absorbed fairly easily.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 13/04/2010 17:45:23
I ran level 4 missions in my Drake for quite a while, so that I knew what to expect.
I then got a Raven. I lost my Raven the next day. A passive Drake is a different beast than an active Raven.
I've not lost another Raven since, and now pilot a Navy Raven.
Go back to a Drake, at least for a while.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:13:00 -
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I know what it is like to lose a ship that you thought was a lot of money. I did quit Eve for a year but I am back. Maybe you should take a break for a week or something and maybe you will realize Eve is bigger then just loosing one ship.
Aside from that, making the isk should be the part of Eve you play for, not the isk itself. Boring yourself just to save up isk will get you nowhere.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Swag Co. Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.04.13 20:13:00 -
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It not easy losing a ship that you worked hard for...I lost a Bellicose just last night, but unlike a lot of people I sat back and laughed with my Corp-mates. Its just pixels and a little bit of time. Ships are easy to replace...now getting podded w/o a proper clone standing by...THAT WOULD SUCK!
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:17:00 -
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Read Mission Reports and learn to use Eve Fitting Tool. All missions in EVE have been documented. Use EFT to see how much your Raven can tank. There is no reason to fly your Raven into a mission you cannot handle. You can reject 1 mission every 4 hours and not get any penalty for it. So if you get very difficult one just reject it and do easier ones. Can also run courier lvl 4's afk if you pick division of agent right.
Besides mining there are many ways to make ISK - just take a look at this list.
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Daf Regent
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman As someone else mentioned your toon is 11 days old
Nono, their forum alt is 11 days old; they said it was another pilot who lost the Raven. :)
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Chiana Moro
Ananta-Boga
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri It not easy losing a ship that you worked hard for...I lost a Bellicose just last night, but unlike a lot of people I sat back and laughed with my Corp-mates. Its just pixels and a little bit of time. Ships are easy to replace...now getting podded w/o a proper clone standing by...THAT WOULD SUCK!
I remember losing my first Drake in Worlds Collide ... that hurt ... ouchie ... And the horror when I thought I lost about 6 months training when getting podded by a WT*.... Now I religiously follow my clone and skill points - lol.
**** happen, just learn to deal with it ... * turned out I didn't, but the horror at seeing the clone level ....
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.14 11:33:00 -
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There are worse things than losing a Raven on a mission. One of my alts was in a Raven for it's first outing, doing mining security of all things. Pretty safe, eh?
Unfortunately, I had a serious 'me' problem. A can flipper came up in an Ibis, and actually hauled off a hold full of ore, (120 m3?) before I could get him locked.
So he came back. I couldn't believe it. I started locking him as soon as he came into range. As soon as I had him locked, I pushed the button. Then I pushed another button . . . and Concord swatted me, because the aggression timer had run out.
So don't feel bad about your loss. All losses are hard to take, but, when it's your fault, it's a lot harder. At least you lost your Raven doing something both noble and rewarding.
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Yarinor
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.14 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Faye taj Edited by: Faye taj on 13/04/2010 04:37:15 well i just lost it like a day ago duno what to do i basically saved up everything from all the mish i have done to fit and and buy a raven. Oh ya and it was my first time in level 4 mish =( bad experience.
I hope you realize that lvl 4s weren't designed to be soloed?
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.04.14 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Yarinor
Originally by: Faye taj Edited by: Faye taj on 13/04/2010 04:37:15 well i just lost it like a day ago duno what to do i basically saved up everything from all the mish i have done to fit and and buy a raven. Oh ya and it was my first time in level 4 mish =( bad experience.
I hope you realize that lvl 4s weren't designed to be soloed?
I hope you realize the difficulty of level 4s has been repeatedly reduced over time. I don't think there is a single level 4 that can't be run in a moderalty skilled drake at this point. and with a well skilled battleship, easy as pie, nevermind an excellently skilled marauder/faction bs.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.15 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 15/04/2010 02:01:46
Originally by: Yarinor
Originally by: Faye taj Edited by: Faye taj on 13/04/2010 04:37:15 well i just lost it like a day ago duno what to do i basically saved up everything from all the mish i have done to fit and and buy a raven. Oh ya and it was my first time in level 4 mish =( bad experience.
I hope you realize that lvl 4s weren't designed to be soloed?
They are designed to be solo'd in your sleep. When new they can just take longer due to skills and equipment, but they don't even need guides, they are all predictable.
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Yarinor
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.15 08:46:00 -
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"I can ride my bike with no handle bars"
Just because you can do something and get away with it, doesn't mean it's supposed to be done that way.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.15 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 15/04/2010 09:19:43
Originally by: Yarinor "I can ride my bike with no handle bars"
Just because you can do something and get away with it, doesn't mean it's supposed to be done that way.
Level 4's are designed to be solod.
Level 5's are not designed to be solod.
This is a new player forum please check your facts before posting.
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Mkiaki
Gallente Wujen Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.15 09:57:00 -
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Cry MOAR
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Yarinor
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.15 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 15/04/2010 09:19:43
Originally by: Yarinor "I can ride my bike with no handle bars"
Just because you can do something and get away with it, doesn't mean it's supposed to be done that way.
Level 4's are designed to be solod.
Level 5's are not designed to be solod.
This is a new player forum please check your facts before posting.
Lvl 4s were introduced into the game because people were complaining there were no pve content where being ganged would be advantageous.
Then people started to solo lvl 4s and a while later l5s were introduced.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.15 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 15/04/2010 11:55:38
Originally by: Yarinor
Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 15/04/2010 09:19:43
Originally by: Yarinor "I can ride my bike with no handle bars"
Just because you can do something and get away with it, doesn't mean it's supposed to be done that way.
Level 4's are designed to be solod.
Level 5's are not designed to be solod.
This is a new player forum please check your facts before posting.
Lvl 4s were introduced into the game because people were complaining there were no pve content where being ganged would be advantageous.
Then people started to solo lvl 4s and a while later l5s were introduced.
I don't give a hoot what was said. Level 4's can be done in BC's solo. They are solo content. If you had bothered to read the useful advice already given to the Op you would have known that.
I would have ignored your post but new players get enough bad info about this game as it is. The guy lost a ship, it happens, last thing he should be told is to give up as Level 4's are not suitable for one player. That's not true.
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.15 12:38:00 -
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I don't want to break up the argument, but I have a couple of observations about Level 4s.
The first time I made it to Level 4, it took a long time, because I did it entirely in the corporation's Storage Division, declining all combat missions. I actually had a question, that didn't get answered, about whether I would need a freighter to do Level 5 Courier missions. Storage Division isn't anything like doing a kill mission agent course, naturally. Level 4 requires a small industrial and some of the missions require you to navigate more than two systems away.
I've since run several Level 4s as part of a fleet. I was not at Level 4 myself for these. They were kind of fun if you were with a decent group of people. I neither know nor care whether they were designed to be run solo.
This brings me to my current issue. One of my characters just moved up to Level 3. The last time one of my characters reached Level 3, I didn't make it through the first mission. At all. I had to have someone else finish it for me after losing two Drakes.
This time, though, I'm getting really bored after about ten missions. The last one I had, doesn't matter what the name was, had rewards of 700,000 ISK for finishing, about the same for the time bonus, and either 1300 or 1700 LPS. Time limit was 4 hours and 45 minutes.
It sucked. There were only about 12 - 20 reds, but it took me forever to kill them. I kited the whole mission with a Prophecy doing about 30 hp of damage per laser per salvo. My shields got down to about 10% once.
This is certainly nothing to brag about. I spent most of the mission hauling minerals on the other monitor once I knew my passive shield tank was sufficient. The only activity required on my part was to change targets.
Now let's forget about my fit. It works for me, so I don't care what you use. :) The problem is that the mission just didn't require much of anything from me. If I had been able to do more DPS, it still wouldn't have required much from me. It just wouldn't have taken so long.
As I said, I've only done about ten of these Level 3s, and one was a courier mission, but about the only way I can think of to make this particular mission interesting would be to bring in some other people and at least get some practice at small fleet tactics.
To me these seem like the kind of missions people are talking about when they say are 'grinding' missions.
I know that, if I want more of a challenge, I could just go back to an Executioner and try it again, but I'm not that much of a masochist.
So what is the general consensus? Are threes and fours just endless gun battles and I need to get used to it? Please keep in mind that I actually did 1s and 2s before the 3s, so I know they can be different.
BTW, the big difference between the Level 3 where I lost the Drakes and this set is that I can now use Core Defence Field Purgers. (Thanks to Lord Nagumo for the tip on that. I just didn't get a chance to try it until lately.)
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.04.15 13:10:00 -
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@ Beki: I think what you suffer from is not enough skills or high enough skill levels.
I have 2 characters both can do level 4's, one has more then 4 mil skill points in gunnery, the other a bit more then 1.2 mil. The damage the one does with the most skill points is 5 to 6 times more then the one with 1.2 mil skillpoints. The 4 mil skill points char can pop frigs (in a BS) at 120 KM distance, the 1.2 mil char hits, if he's lucky some ships at 25 km though the most damage comes from his drones.
Yes when you start doing level 3's or 4's they seem like endless battles. I remember that the blockade took me 2 hours or more alone in a BS. Today I do that same mission in 20-40 minutes, if I'm alone.
But the more skills you acquire, the higher you train those skills, the faster you'll slice through missions. Which is good, since in the end missions are quite boring to do.
There are a few missions that can be blitzed, where you have to just go here or there or pick this or that up, and once you did so the mission completes so you do not have to blow up endless rows of rats. Like reckon 1-3, cargo delivery, and one where you need to blow up a repair station which is a level 3 mission. Though you'll miss out on the bounties and salvage/ loot afterwards.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.15 13:15:00 -
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Yes that's what they are. Basic AI and a few simple rules to follow will get you through. Of course mistakes can be punished, especially for a new player in a new ship he is not used to. I suspect we have all lost a ship or two in Level 4's, I have anyway.
But ultimately they are a grind fest. Someone with low DPS or tank will take a lot longer but there is not much more risk, except trying to push things too far and not warp out on time. Or miss the fact they are being scrambled until too late. Or forget to align when the tank is failing. All basic stuff you learn from level 3's.
Now I'm in a faction ship a mission that took me say 2 hours now takes me 30 mins or less so it does get better, but by that time you're on autopilot and watching TV. Even if I totally mess up the mission I'm at no real risk at all, there is no skill needed.
I really wish there was a level 4.5 where the AI was similar to the Sleepers or the missions were just more varied and challenging.
So yes your findings are right.
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.15 13:36:00 -
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I spent months figuring out how to work the agent system to my best advantage, and now this.
I think I'll throw myself off the back porch.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Beki 250 I spent months figuring out how to work the agent system to my best advantage, and now this.
I think I'll throw myself off the back porch.
Well you can always do Sleeper sites, they can pay well. Exploration can be fun but in Hi Sec its not worth the rewards usually, they are more geared to smaller ships.
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:31:00 -
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That brings up some other issues, and there may be a question in here somewhere.
I mine almost daily for the first three hours after DT, and am currently working a fairly Hi Sec area (0.63). What are the chances that there will be any undiscovered Sleeper sites in the region after 1500 Eve? There are usually about 15 people in system, and three of them are me.
I'm also having trouble building up my confidence for using more than one character at a time for missions. After hundreds of hours using two for mining, I went up to three, and can handle two Retrievers and an Iteron V now with only occasional glitches, but I've only tried team missions a few times and wasn't happy about my personal multi-tasking capabilities. Is this something that will come with time? Will it always be harder than mining?
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Beki 250 That brings up some other issues, and there may be a question in here somewhere.
I mine almost daily for the first three hours after DT, and am currently working a fairly Hi Sec area (0.63). What are the chances that there will be any undiscovered Sleeper sites in the region after 1500 Eve? There are usually about 15 people in system, and three of them are me.
I'm also having trouble building up my confidence for using more than one character at a time for missions. After hundreds of hours using two for mining, I went up to three, and can handle two Retrievers and an Iteron V now with only occasional glitches, but I've only tried team missions a few times and wasn't happy about my personal multi-tasking capabilities. Is this something that will come with time? Will it always be harder than mining?
You only find sleepers in wormholes. Exploration sites should dynamically appear through out all of EVE. Once one site has been cleared it moves to a new area with full content afaik.
About doing missions with 2 characters fleet them up then use (I forgot how you do that I think it was in fleet just right click and then show damage modifications) a small window where you can see the members in the fleet and their damage. This way you can monitor if the character you don't have the window open for is taking too much damage. On top of that when I combo mission, I play in windowed mode, then have the 2 screens so arranged that I can see the right part of the bottom client underneath the top client. This way I can see agro, and how the drones are doing on the second client, combined with the fleet damage window things run pretty smooth this way.
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FOX Nyris
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:00:00 -
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I am very new to EVE , But what help me see what i could fly the safest in terms of skills were the certificates.It helped me out understand that ships are take more then the skills to ride them. An I would try one more time before going to WOW.
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Nikolai Bazarov
Amarr Circus Mining Co.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Faye taj Well with the recent loss of my first raven that popped just like that i feel disillusioned to play eve so is there any way to make a ton of isk fast to recoup my loss or is it back to wow?
PLEX?
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Cate Fenring
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yarinor "I can ride my bike with no handle bars"
Just because you can do something and get away with it, doesn't mean it's supposed to be done that way.
I think Zartrader is right. If I can solo some with an ill-fitted drake on a low SP character and do harder ones together with a corp member with equal gear and a little more SP then it should be easily soloable with a well fitted BS.
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:37:00 -
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I didn't think Sleepers sounded right. Things might make more sense if I just said archeological sites. I was curious about whether they would be worth looking for 3 hours after DT.
I use two monitors, so keeping track of two ships during missions isn't much of a problem. The problem I've had was focusing more on one ship than the other. I usually focus on the ship with the aggro, and the other ship sits around more than 30% of the time. That's not bad, but kind of defeats the purpose of using two ships.
I don't remember any frigates at all in that Level 3 mission. I know how hard they are to kill with Medium lasers. :) The ship could, and, I think, did, carry three drones, but I don't usually use T1 Light Scouts against cruisers. They just don't seem to be able to do much damage.
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Beki 250
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:42:00 -
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Oh. I don't use low slot defensive modules. Especially when I fly Amarr I fill up the lows with Tracking Enhancers and Power Diagnostics.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:46:00 -
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Ships go boom that's what they are for..
But I definitely understand that it can be frustrating at first. The jump from L3s to L4's pretty big. The biggest being that you now have to look for scrambling frigs. I found frigates to be the most dangerous thing to new players in L4's. Because's they are are the ones that are going to keep you from warping out.
I'd say that T2 light drone skills should be considered a pre-requisite for running L4s.
As far as loosing ships it happens you gotta be able to take it in stride. I've a Myrmidon in the first L4 I ever tried because I didn't deal with the scrambling frigs and couldn't gtfo when my tank broke. I lost a Brutix with a full rack of Modal neutrons when I decided it would be ok to try a L3 in a nearby lowsec system got a little tunnel visioned and missed the guy in local until his Covops had the point on me to hold me until his Domi got there.
My most recent loss was a Domi in worlds collide when I was helping a buddy on the phone to get his Vent working and forgot to turn on my tank until I looked down and thought hey where'd my armor go? to make matters worse I was so flustered and stupid that I forgot to actually loot my f-ing wreck afterwards so bye bye 4 350 prototypes at 9 mill a pop plus the ship was over 3 months old so plat insurance (I don't bother to re-insure if a ship survives it's first term) cost me about a 100 mill to replace the ship and all the rigs/fittings.
I will say this from my observation the Raven is a lot less forgiving than a Domi or a drake. The Raven pretty much has to be flowed aggressively with a lot of micromanagement of cap and shield boosters. Compared to the domi or drake that have epic tanks that can be pretty much turned on and ignored.
My buddy has lost a couple Ravens at this point typically because we missed a scram frig or some other bit of boneheadedness.
These are the things you'll laugh at later if you continue to play.
As others pointed out. You can't be getting too attached to your ships and you have to be able to roll with one getting blown out from under you. It's just a part of the game and it's part of what makes it interesting in the first place.
Because the only way you can ensure a ship isn't going to get blown up is to leave it docked up and what's the fun in that.
L4's are generally considered pretty low risk but that's usually by people who've been playing a while and have good skills (both character and player) They can indeed be quite risky if you are willing to push your limits as a new player.
When I started doing them I couldn't even fit large repers and guns on my Domi. I put medium arties and couple of medium armor repper 2s and an afterburner and kited everything mainly running around in a big circle with my drones chewing stuff up.
Nowadays unless there is some reason to move (The Score) I just warp in and sit in place with Sentry drones out. I know the missions I do well enough to know what kind of tank I need either got with light tank heavy gank or vise versa.
To give you an idea of the kind of time frame we're talking about my characters Birthdate was August 09 so that's about 8 months. I still feel like a newb ;-) and have another 6 months on my skill plan until I'll feel like I'm properly skilled for efficient mission running in my Domi.
I suggest getting EFT and EVEmon and spend some time building a skill plan. Take a typical Tech 2 build for the ships you think you'll want to fly and use the import function of EVEmon to get the skills you need for it loaded. Then look at the recommended certificates and add those too. Then go and look at EFT again and check each module for the affecting skills and add those too.
Well I could go on and on after that but I'm running out of characters. Basically if you can live with some differed gratification then this game might be for you. If you can't stand waiting a few months to accomplish something then you'd probably be best served by WOW.
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