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Assegai Developments
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Posted - 2010.04.13 16:39:00 -
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hey i know there are some fail screen watching programs that do this, but i was wondering if there are any CCP sanctioned programs that can warn a player when people of certain standings enter local. there was a great program before that did this named bacon but apparently mid-2008 there where changes to the way it operated and now it no longer works :/
(link to bacon threadnought)http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadid=753528
so i was wondering if there is another application out there that can do this. all i'm looking for is a simple sound to play, or some sort of warning when war targets enter a system.
actually I'm surprised that CCP has not turned this into a in-game feature, but hey it's still a great idea.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:09:00 -
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"turned into a game feature" ?
They forbid it!
Youll be lucky if you dont get banned for your heretic ideas
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:15:00 -
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A great idea? It ruined small roaming gangs and made 0.0 safer than Motsu.
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:26:00 -
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Some joker claimed to have made a new one and had a video demonstrating it.
He was looking to sell it for something dumb like $3,000.
No I won't link it.
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Assegai Developments
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Assegai Developments on 13/04/2010 17:32:09
 Originally by: Amerilia
"turned into a game feature" ?
They forbid it!
Youll be lucky if you dont get banned for your heretic ideas
i laugh at your failboating comment 
i guess you don't know exactly what CCP forbids and not :/ bacon was modified to be perfectly legit and was given the OK by CCP. CCP did not create/update it of course, but it was regardless marked as not against the EULA. originally it WAS because they sent the local data to a master server instead of just keeping it local (to allow the creators to keep all logs) but that was taken out and it was a fine program besides the annoying setup.
learn your game mr.troll ^^
also grarr, it did not ruin small roaming gangs any :/ roaming gangs often don't catch anyone anyway unless they are idiots, and in that case a simple program like this wouldn't save them from being smacked in the head by 425s. it seems like you are just another sad little pirate that wants to blame his failures on any idea he can get a hold of. go watch the little pirate that could, and cry some more :D
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Bongo Debbie on 13/04/2010 17:35:24
They liked it so much they changed log reports so it was no longer functional.
I'd be careful smacking others when you are clearly an idiot.
Know your game indeed.
EDIT: Also, you appear to have a ***** on your forehead. Quite fitting for a worthless forum alt.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Assegai Developments
bacon was modified to be perfectly legit and was given the OK by CCP. CCP did not create/update it of course, but it was regardless marked as not against the EULA.
You have a source for this, I presume, seeing as how anything that interfaces with the game except though the API is against the EULA, and what you're after has to interface in an illegal manner by very definition.
Oh and no, it's a horrid idea and should not be implemented in any way – in fact, the best direction to go would be the opposite one: less information.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Cadinie
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cadinie on 13/04/2010 17:46:21
Edited by: Cadinie on 13/04/2010 17:42:26
well hiding local would just make it easier for the people in the system to hide while pirates or any invading force come in. it's the honest truth.
think about it, if local was hidden as many lowsec roamers want, all the people in the system would need is a single alt on the gates to see if anyone is coming through. if they find someone, it's easy enough to warn all the people in the system and everyone ends up just docking. any invaders coming in would not nearly have as much time to find people as they do now because everyone would have to be scanned down.
there are too many problems that hiding local would create, and don't make a reference to wormholes because that works on a different system due to more or less dynamic entry and exit points.
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Assegai Developments
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Assegai Developments on 13/04/2010 17:53:28
if the program did not fit CCP's "code of gameplay" then they would have just deleted the thread and left it at that. it is true there is a fine line on what you can and can not to with external programs, like for example if it's just to mine/rat that is against the EULA (well sort of, if you read it you will find out the exact wording is only if it allows faster than normal gain but obviously is still illegal lol) but when you interact with systems already there then it goes on a program by program basis. look for example at EFT or any of the other various applications that are EXTERNAL and deal with the the game. who is to say by your logic that all of these are against the "code of gameplay" due to being external programs.
ohh edit ~ dont forget about all the market dumps and such from eve central. they depend on exporting market data by individuals and uploading to the site to keep it up to date. that is a method of interacting with the game without the API.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.13 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: N''tek alar on 13/04/2010 18:02:02
Edited by: N''tek alar on 13/04/2010 18:00:13
Originally by: Assegai Developments
if the program did not fit CCP's "code of gameplay" then they would have just deleted the thread and left it at that. it is true there is a fine line on what you can and can not to with external programs, like for example if it's just to mine/rat that is against the EULA (well sort of, if you read it you will find out the exact wording is only if it allows faster than normal gain but obviously is still illegal lol) but when you interact with systems already there then it goes on a program by program basis. look for example at EFT or any of the other various applications that are EXTERNAL and deal with the the game. who is to say by your logic that all of these are against the "code of gameplay" due to being external programs.
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You've GOT to be trolling, but even so...
CCP
CHANGED
THE
GAME
TO
PREVENT
BACON
AND
SIMILAR
PROGRAMS
FROM
FUNCTIONING!
How does that tell you that they were ok with it exactly? To be more precise, they changed the way the logserver works in order to prevent it.
As for EFT, which is the only program you mention, It is an external program yes, And yes it's allowed, It does NOT however interface with the game, It works off the API which is completely separate from the game client, Therefore using it as an example to support your argument = fail.
Find a program that directly interfaces with the game and gives you an advantage over someone who doesn't have it, That's allowed by CCP and you'll have a point, But of course, that's not going to happen.
Oh and to further prove my point.
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
From the very thread about BACON that you linked (page 21, post 623).
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Assegai Developments
is a fine line on what you can and can not to with external programs
Yes: if you use the API, sunshine, lollipops and rainbows; if you don't, chainsaws to the genitals.
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look for example at EFT or any of the other various applications that are EXTERNAL and deal with the the game.
…you mean those that use the only legal way to interact with game data: the API?
So again: do you have a source that it was at any point legal?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Assegai Developments
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:16:00 -
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actually n'tek above you pointed out that it was. but he is rite that they changed the log server. also i mentioned eve central which uses market dumps. it does not use the API and is a way to interact with the game.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: N''tek alar on 13/04/2010 18:20:46
Originally by: Assegai Developments
actually n'tek above you pointed out that it was. but he is rite that they changed the log server. also i mentioned eve central which uses market dumps. it does not use the API and is a way to interact with the game.
That's because the game allows you to export market data, Which you can then upload to eve-central, It doesn't hook into the game client and pull the data it needs out, IE, No, It doesn't interact with the game at all.
As for similar websites that automatically update, They do so using the API.
So once again, Any program that directly interacts with either the game client or log server to give you an advantage is not going to be allowed by CCP.
End of story.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
So once again, Any program that directly interacts with either the game client or log server to give you an advantage is not going to be allowed by CCP.
cache scraping is tolerated by CCP (and used in the new eve-central uploader).
There is no in-game/API way to export the contents of the market history tab short of transcribing it by hand/via OCR, for example, but you can do it via reading the info from the client's cache (e.g. using Entity's "reverence" library).
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.04.13 18:46:00 -
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Locking this as it is intended to be an extension of a locked topic.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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