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d'hofren
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:00:00 -
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this needs to be stickied,
(aka blatant bump)
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:00:00 -
[32]
this needs to be stickied,
(aka blatant bump)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 03/12/2004 15:29:18
 Originally by: Jesilys
Dumb question on the new market skills. When they talk about range being within 5 jumps, are we talking only within a region, or crossing regional boundaries?
It would seem only within a region, as, once reaching level 5, you have a 'regional' range, and a 20 jump radius could actually cover -more- markets if at a hub system that crosses several regions.
Also, weren't there going to be skills that could reach -past- regional boundaries?
Well lets get the market working first. The jumps in the skills only apply to the region you are in. I can imagine some day where we can go accross regions but that day is far off.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 03/12/2004 15:29:18
Originally by: Jesilys
Dumb question on the new market skills. When they talk about range being within 5 jumps, are we talking only within a region, or crossing regional boundaries?
It would seem only within a region, as, once reaching level 5, you have a 'regional' range, and a 20 jump radius could actually cover -more- markets if at a hub system that crosses several regions.
Also, weren't there going to be skills that could reach -past- regional boundaries?
Well lets get the market working first. The jumps in the skills only apply to the region you are in. I can imagine some day where we can go accross regions but that day is far off.
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Bruce Campbell
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Posted - 2004.12.04 05:40:00 -
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Quick Question:
What do the green highlighted lines in the "buy" section of the market window signify? What is it telling me?
Darned if I can find any explanation in the documentation, or anyone with a definitive answer.
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Bruce Campbell
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Posted - 2004.12.04 05:40:00 -
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Quick Question:
What do the green highlighted lines in the "buy" section of the market window signify? What is it telling me?
Darned if I can find any explanation in the documentation, or anyone with a definitive answer.
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:39:00 -
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Green lines are people you can currently sell to in this system. So, every order with system or station range that is in your current system is green. Every buy order with a range of region that's in your region is green, etc.
-Dewar
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:39:00 -
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Green lines are people you can currently sell to in this system. So, every order with system or station range that is in your current system is green. Every buy order with a range of region that's in your region is green, etc.
-Dewar
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Odyssia
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:13:00 -
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Guys, this thread is Most Excellent, especially for those of us that aren't dedicated traders. I've been playing the game for months and heck, I stilldon't understand half of the trading rules.
Many thanks!
(oh, and BUMP)
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Odyssia
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:13:00 -
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Guys, this thread is Most Excellent, especially for those of us that aren't dedicated traders. I've been playing the game for months and heck, I stilldon't understand half of the trading rules.
Many thanks!
(oh, and BUMP)
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 07/12/2004 00:00:17
Visibility
Based on its description this would affect the jump range visibility of sell orders that you place remotely.
My first impression was this affected visibility of ALL orders. That is the reason I trained this skill. If you look in the My Orders tab of the market, it shows your visibility in a sentence that would imply that. But this can't be true because I can see now what appears to be my order, from 4 jumps away. And I can still see it from space. But I am not sure if carryover orders have full visibility automatically or not!?
In fact it cant be because if that were the case, first day after Shiva you would have seen virtually NO orders on the market. Again, unless they carried over full visibility.
In the US, the one skill most of us traders pay for is actually Market Depth Viewing, or Level II as they call it I believe. Normally you see only the cheapest sell and its quantity, or the highest buy and its quantity, but not the ones behind em. That used to be what we had in Castor to a degree (you couldnt see depth), but now you see all the depth for free. Weird.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.12.06 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 07/12/2004 00:00:17
Visibility
Based on its description this would affect the jump range visibility of sell orders that you place remotely.
My first impression was this affected visibility of ALL orders. That is the reason I trained this skill. If you look in the My Orders tab of the market, it shows your visibility in a sentence that would imply that. But this can't be true because I can see now what appears to be my order, from 4 jumps away. And I can still see it from space. But I am not sure if carryover orders have full visibility automatically or not!?
In fact it cant be because if that were the case, first day after Shiva you would have seen virtually NO orders on the market. Again, unless they carried over full visibility.
In the US, the one skill most of us traders pay for is actually Market Depth Viewing, or Level II as they call it I believe. Normally you see only the cheapest sell and its quantity, or the highest buy and its quantity, but not the ones behind em. That used to be what we had in Castor to a degree (you couldnt see depth), but now you see all the depth for free. Weird.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 07/12/2004 19:37:32
Forget what I said. Visibility skill does not count since the orders were entered directly in the station with the product being sold.
This is my interpretation;
Marketing Allows entry of sell orders to appear to be originated from a station that you are not in. I imagine you could not enter sell orders from space without this skill.
Procurement Allows entry of buy orders to appear to be originated from a station that you are not in. You could not enter buy orders from space without this skill.
These two are not quick/instant buys, but orders. Just like orders entered in the same station as the merchandise, buy orders placed this way will have full regional visibility. But unlike orders entered in the same station as the merchandise, sell orders placed this way will have their visibility limited based on the Visibility skill. That is, for those looking to fill said sell orders, they will not appear green, unless they are physically within the distance determined by the visibility skill.
Note: You can get full regional visibility for your buy orders, but still limit their fillability to the current station.
If you look at the marketing window details of your order abilities, it implies that visibility applies to both sell AND buy orders placed remotely. but the skill itself implies that it applies only to sell orders.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 07/12/2004 19:37:32
Forget what I said. Visibility skill does not count since the orders were entered directly in the station with the product being sold.
This is my interpretation;
Marketing Allows entry of sell orders to appear to be originated from a station that you are not in. I imagine you could not enter sell orders from space without this skill.
Procurement Allows entry of buy orders to appear to be originated from a station that you are not in. You could not enter buy orders from space without this skill.
These two are not quick/instant buys, but orders. Just like orders entered in the same station as the merchandise, buy orders placed this way will have full regional visibility. But unlike orders entered in the same station as the merchandise, sell orders placed this way will have their visibility limited based on the Visibility skill. That is, for those looking to fill said sell orders, they will not appear green, unless they are physically within the distance determined by the visibility skill.
Note: You can get full regional visibility for your buy orders, but still limit their fillability to the current station.
If you look at the marketing window details of your order abilities, it implies that visibility applies to both sell AND buy orders placed remotely. but the skill itself implies that it applies only to sell orders.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:14:00 -
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All I am saying we need a dev to say if Visibility is correct now or bugged. The interpertation of the wording could be argued for decades.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:14:00 -
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All I am saying we need a dev to say if Visibility is correct now or bugged. The interpertation of the wording could be argued for decades.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Feronia
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:29:00 -
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I've seen a lot of definitions for the visibility skill. I have tested them all with my main character (visibility lvl 4) and my untrained alt. None of them seems to work like people explained.
My best guess is, the visibility skill is bugged or not implemented yet,like the transaction tax.
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Feronia
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:29:00 -
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I've seen a lot of definitions for the visibility skill. I have tested them all with my main character (visibility lvl 4) and my untrained alt. None of them seems to work like people explained.
My best guess is, the visibility skill is bugged or not implemented yet,like the transaction tax.
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:34:00 -
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Well, I'm about to buy the skill for the sake of completeness. I'll post here if anything changes for me.
-Dewar
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:34:00 -
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Well, I'm about to buy the skill for the sake of completeness. I'll post here if anything changes for me.
-Dewar
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.12 02:36:00 -
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1) Bump, EXELENT post.
2) Devs, you suck. you cant write a description in the queens english or even post here to say who is right. ive been looking through the player guide which is tosh compared to this. The woman that wrote this should be on your writing staff and they should be out on the street with nothing but fond memories.
and for gods sake MAKE THIS A STICKY!
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.12 02:36:00 -
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1) Bump, EXELENT post.
2) Devs, you suck. you cant write a description in the queens english or even post here to say who is right. ive been looking through the player guide which is tosh compared to this. The woman that wrote this should be on your writing staff and they should be out on the street with nothing but fond memories.
and for gods sake MAKE THIS A STICKY!
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:19:00 -
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My Take on the Visibility skill:
It does EXACTLY AS IT SAYS IT DOES.
It affects the visibility of orders that you place remotely.
As in, without the skill, if you place a remote sell order it can only be seen in that station. Which means unless you're too lazy to go visit the station you're selling stuff from, it does nothing. AFAIK there is NO SKILL that has anything to do with the market and whether you are or are not in space.
So Visibility is a must have skill if you place remote buy/sell orders, but totally unnecessary if you don't. Orders that you place by visiting the station (be they region wide or station wide buy orders, or any sell order) are visible from anywhere in the region, regardless of if you're in space or docked.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2004.12.20 13:19:00 -
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My Take on the Visibility skill:
It does EXACTLY AS IT SAYS IT DOES.
It affects the visibility of orders that you place remotely.
As in, without the skill, if you place a remote sell order it can only be seen in that station. Which means unless you're too lazy to go visit the station you're selling stuff from, it does nothing. AFAIK there is NO SKILL that has anything to do with the market and whether you are or are not in space.
So Visibility is a must have skill if you place remote buy/sell orders, but totally unnecessary if you don't. Orders that you place by visiting the station (be they region wide or station wide buy orders, or any sell order) are visible from anywhere in the region, regardless of if you're in space or docked.
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