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Sinner Anarki
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Posted - 2010.04.17 18:12:00 -
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I'm looking for something that'll be effective, but won't take 6 months of training to get to. I'm thinking some sort of frigate, but I'd like some solo-PVP experience too. I was thinking maybe a gank-fitted Thorax or something like that. I likes me some blasters (Inefficient as they are...).
I'm talking about training a new character just for PVP. I've already got a decent income on my main. And I do have a few other accounts set up, so I figured it'd be better than ****ing everybody off on my main and then getting repeatedly suicide-ganked when I try to mission or something.
Any opinions? Ships? Fits? Maybe an invitation to a Gallentian FW fleet? :P
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Ryan Starwing
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Posted - 2010.04.17 18:43:00 -
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Rifter is a very good ship and extreamly cost effective (one of the most cost effective ships in game). It shouldnt take more then a week to be able to fly a t1 fitted rifter well and be able to be both fleet/small gang fast tackle and solo. Though the incursus is also good if you want gallente. Dont be afraid to die in these they are dirt cheap.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/1947-Low-SP-Rifter-PVP-tackler-1.html
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37018-Incursus-The-Gallente-Welcome-to-PVP-Ship.html
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.17 18:54:00 -
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Rifters are super pro, they are the champion of the frigate lineup. Bleeder punishers and various incruses fits are also pretty good, and I've heard stories of bleeder-style merlins.
Cruisers are really where its at though. They have far more firepower, and thus have a much wider target selection than a lone rifter will (esp. at lower skill point levels). There is also a huge variety of viable T1 cruisers, and so there will certainly be a ship that matches your playstle and budget in them.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.17 19:10:00 -
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rifter
from there go to the rupture and stabber
easy peasy
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.17 20:19:00 -
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Rifter's are the pro's choice here for quick and easy PVP.
It wins on so many levels, my favorite being the fact that it fires autocannons, which are the best guns in the game. They require no cap usage to fire, have great range, track very decently, can choose their damage type by swapping different ammo, and T2 ammo for AC's doesn't suck like most other guns. There's literally no downsides to using Autocannons.
In fact, if you follow Minmatar ships straight down the line for PVP, then you will never be disappointed. They have great ships for any skill level, from the Rifter to the Thrasher (omg fun omg), Rupture, Hurricane, Cyclone, Typhoon, Maelstrom (Best non capital tank on a T1 ship), Vagabond (zoom zoom!), Sleipnir... so many good choices for PVP.
I think there's only a couple of ships I would avoid with Minmatar to be quite honest. Minmatar Recons are the worst of the bunch now that webs have been nerfed to uselessness, and from what I hear, the Minmatar Carriers are pretty bad too, but I haven't jumped on the Capital ship bandwagon even after six years of playing so I wouldn't know.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.17 20:24:00 -
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Jumping on the minmatar bandwagon. They have the best overall t1 ship lineup with excellent t2 ships in every class. The bs are ok and the caps are all meh to ok.
 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.17 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/04/2010 22:43:48
Rifter (this is practically a T1.5 frigate and not a T1 frigate, honestly)->Rupture->Hurricane
Is a excellent way to train for a new pilot. Also, Minmatar T2 ships are generally speaking quite good. BS are also generally speaking good (Typhoon, Malestorm) with one oversized BC (Tempest) in the lineup.
No idea about capitals whatsoever.
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
autocannons, which are
You must never speak about autocannons again, they will nerf us!
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.04.17 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
BS are also generally speaking good (Typhoon, Malestorm) with one oversized BC (Tempest) in the lineup.
Yeah the minmatar tier 3 BC is quite nice.
Also +1 for rifter, ruppi and cane.
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.04.18 00:09:00 -
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Tristan and Incursus are ok frigates for starters, if you got some skills up and income from your main you could try the Taranis and Ishkur as well.
Cruiser size I'd say the Vexor is a solid choice that offers more versatility than Thorax.
Battlecruisers are both decent, Myrm if drones and active tanking are your thing, Brutix for the glass cannon approach.
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Deva Blackfire
Shut Up And Play
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.18 00:21:00 -
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kestrel --> AML/HML caracal --> drake. And then you can use drake pretty much forever.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.04.18 00:49:00 -
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I've given this some thought in the past and if care about advancing as fast as possible through the ship classes down to battlecruiser, whilst having the necessary SP to support them, then there's only two routes that I'd recommend.
If you're interested in missiles then going the route of Kestrel --> Caracal --> Drake is a most viable one.
If you want to go with turrets then I'd recommend going Rifter --> Thrasher --> Rupture --> Hurricane. Toss in AFs like the Wolf and Jaguar if you please.
Anyhow, I'll follow up this post with more details later.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.18 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
rifter
from there go to the rupture and stabber
easy peasy
FYP..
also Incursus then Vexor
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.04.19 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 19/04/2010 01:37:17
Now where was I? Oh yeah, like I said I consider either the missile pure Caldari route or turrets Minmatar route to be the fastest ways to prepare yourself to fly BCs in PvP whilst having powerful ship options available to you during the process.
I'm not saying that it's the best however and if one is interested in flying battleships and beyond as fast as possible then I'd actually recommend Amarr instead. Even if one trains for Amarr I'd recommend starting off with the requirements for T2 projectiles. Small projectiles come in handy on the punisher, allow you to make use the only good PvP destroyer (Thrasher) and makes the Minmatar line of frigates easily accessible if one doesn't fancy the Amarr ones (it's a quite small crosstrain). Small projectiles may even come in handy on ships like the Arbitrator.
Speaking of which, the Arbitrator is unfortunately the only good Amarr cruiser IMO. This is unfortunate because it's a drone boat, making it necessary to properly train up your drone skills if you wish to fly it when you otherwise could have used ECM drones. You don't want to invest 3m SP in drones early on if you can avoid it, on the other hand, once you've got the skills it's not far to be able to fly a Curse or Pilgrim if one so desires (not recommended for new players though). If you trained small projectiles you at least have access to the best T1 frigate and the Thrasher as you wait to be able to fly a Harbinger (bypassing Cruisers completely), if you don't you're stuck with the Punisher or possibly a Crusader or Sentinel for a very long time... maybe a Maller or Omen if you're desperate for something new to fly.
If you don't mind waiting I'd just say train the damn drone skills, hop into an Arbitrator and then progress up to a Harbinger. You'll need those drone skills for an Armageddon anyway.
Minmatar beyond battlecruisers is tricky because that's when you really have to start looking at shield/armor/missile skills and their ships are quite skillpoint demanding.
So that's why Caldari are relatively easy in that regard. Buffer shield tanking (what most missile ships employ) is relatively easy on skillpoints. You'll never need heavy drones (unless you wanna fly a Gila) and unlike with Minmatar your navigation skills aren't crucial (still useful though) since you'll be the slowest **** around anyway. Ontop of it all missiles are horribly easy to use, no transversal or such crap.
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Aerine Diamond
Caldari
FREE GATES ACADEMY
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:36:00 -
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The Iskhur and the matar AFs are great for PVP.
For gangs, you could consider HACs (T2 cruisers), and for solo PVP a Falcon, perhaps, or something like that.
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Lord Zekk
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:23:00 -
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There are a crap ton of answers to you question so I'm not sure if you're going to end up reading this, but just in case you do here .02 isk more for ya.
Everyone has already said it, and I'll say it again, rifter. It's a great ship, cheap as well. You can solo with as well as tackle. That will get you in to PVP gangs of all sorts. Great for low sec scouting as well maybe even 0.0.
After that I would train for T2 frigs. Try the claw, very nasty lil ceptor you can solo with and ceptors tackle better.
While you're doing T2 matar have a look at the AFs as well if you're interested.
Stop here. Decide if you want to go Matar all the way. You can cross train from this base very easily. Amarr ships might something to look at. They have a horrible starting line up but they get really good with the higher SP and bigger ships.
Gallente. Drones are nice. They have the Domi, swiss army knife of BSes. Awesome solo boat (read Vlad's stuff)
Basically figure out what sort of play style you want and train for that. Don't train for what is on top right now coz every races gets nerfed and boosted at some time. I have been flying matar for ages, from the time you didn't want to go beyond Canes.
Hope this helps,
Good luck to you.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aerine Diamond
The Iskhur and the matar AFs are great for PVP.
For gangs, you could consider HACs (T2 cruisers), and for solo PVP a Falcon, perhaps, or something like that.
The Ishkur is incredibly skillpoint intensive, hybrids beyond small ones aren't exactly great either.
As for HACs few people can make them even remotely cost effective to PvP in, also, solo PvP in a Falcon? Why??!
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Sinner Anarki
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:52:00 -
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Thanks! Think I'll go with Minmatar with some possible Gallente or Amarr prospects "Late-game" prospects  |
Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sinner Anarki
Thanks! Think I'll go with Minmatar with some possible Gallente or Amarr prospects "Late-game" prospects
Glad we could all help! It's amazing to see so many people agreeing with each other in one thread!
I personally started out as Minmatar and I went all the way from frigate V to BS V with them and every T2 ship in between that existed at the time. Minmatar are just that good at PVP.
Then I cross trained into Gallente because at the time Amarr were awful. If I were to do it all over again, however, I almost definitely would have picked Amarr as my second race because lasers are awesome now, not to mention you get to fly the Harbinger, Curse, Damnation/Absolution, Armageddon, Abaddon.. lots of good Amarr choices now.
The downside to picking Gallente as your second race is that blasters are dead last in gun effectiveness, due to the fact that their fitting requirements are extremely high (Most ship fits will only be able to barely cram on the lowest tier of blasters), they track poorly and their range is so short that you will take a lot of punishment while closing with the enemy in a fight.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Glad we could all help! It's amazing to see so many people agreeing with each other in one thread!
That's because it's the 8th thread on the first page with the same question and answer.
but yea, put my mate in a rifter aswell for starting out in eve.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I personally started out as Minmatar and I went all the way from frigate V to BS V with them and every T2 ship in between that existed at the time. Minmatar are just that good at PVP.
Neesa...if we get nerfed any time soon, I'm personally blaming you. 
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Tepanyaki
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:44:00 -
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Train into a cyno module, fit it to a probe, join an alliance that needs cyno guys. Make sure your clone is up to date. You will be right in the middle of the action. Heh.
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Urn Keller
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:04:00 -
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rifter
Once fully T2 fit with good skills,
Rupture
Once fully T2 fit with good skills,
Hurricane
Win. Takes about 4.5-6 million SPs to fit a nice T2 shield-gank cane. Jump from Ruppy to Cane is actually pretty small, cane is a slower rupture with 2 more lows and highs and one more mid. Same bonuses, similar fits work.
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