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Enzee
Gallente
Mos Vape Investments
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:19:00 -
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I have a significant problem with the way this is being done this year. Every year we see that there is a lot of interest in this tournament. However, for the last 3 tournaments, they have steadily decreased the number of slots available to random selection. In 6, they made slots available for FW, in 7, they made it more random so that you couldnt secure yourself a slot by entering in the first few minutes, and this time in 8, they make the auction system and siphoned off all of those slots from the random draw.
Now, I am not necessarily complaining about the auction method. I think that there are alliances that desperately want into this fight, I know this because I would fall into that category. However, I do take umbrage at the fact that the auctions are being held before the random slots are announced. I know that personally, I would bid on a slot in the auction if we were not picked in the lottery. However, with the announcements of the random selections taking place before the auction, this is not possible.
I realize this is probably not an oversight, and is a planned move on CCP's part to make alliances decide on which path to take, but I think it hoses alliances twofold. First it hoses th em by by lowering the chances of getting picked by taking slots out of the random pool, and second it forces alliances that may n ot have the same resources as the upper echelon to make a decision they would rather not do. Speaking personally, if we did not get selected, I know we would involve ourself in the bidding and I would buy in whatever the cost, but it would bankrupt virtually all of my assets. I accept that, but I would prefer to have my chance at the random selection first.
So to summarize. I understand this is probably a choice and not an oversight, but I see it as a mistake. If this is teh way you want it, CCP, then only make it 8 slots for the auction, and put 8 more slots back into the random pool please. Otherwise, please increase the tournament by at least 8 slots to give some more of us a chance. I would prefer not to have to shop characters on the char sale forums just to have a chance to compete.
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Damien Larkspur
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:39:00 -
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When I was reading through the rules, I understood it to mean that if you failed in the auction, you'd still be eligible for the random draw. Maybe CCP can confirm or deny this, but that;s the way I understood the process.
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Enzee
Gallente
Mos Vape Investments
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:59:00 -
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Well the way it is set up, yes that is how it works. What I'm trying to get at is that I think the functionality should be reversed. If we are going to have an auction system, either make extra slots for it, or else make it a system of last resort for the teams that do not get the random draw, not the other way around.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Enzee
Well the way it is set up, yes that is how it works. What I'm trying to get at is that I think the functionality should be reversed. If we are going to have an auction system, either make extra slots for it, or else make it a system of last resort for the teams that do not get the random draw, not the other way around.
Yes, it would be great to have the random draw first. Unfortunately, it's probably not going to happen because :CCP:
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:11:00 -
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Absolutely not.
If you want to bid on a slot, then you pay. You dont get to hope you get a draw and if not, bid on a slot.
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William DeMeo
Gallente
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Claw
Absolutely not.
If you want to bid on a slot, then you pay. You dont get to hope you get a draw and if not, bid on a slot.
because that would actually make sense.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:53:00 -
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Well both ways make sense, but this way it means people that want to be in the tournament at literally any cost, will be. If you bid for a slot you clearly want to be in the tournament, if not you can't afford it or don't care enough, simple as that really.
The beauty of this system is that it means the bigger alliances don't get the luxury of being able to sit back until the random draw rolls around and go "oh, we're in, now we don't have to pay x mil/bil ISK for a slot!" so really you guys should be happy if anything. It also means when people whine afterwards about not having made it into the tournament but weren't prepared to bid, they won't get any sympathy.
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evilempire0
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:09:00 -
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I think atlas must bid now after I stomped them 
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:09:00 -
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Rematch! 
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Enzee
Gallente
Mos Vape Investments
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:06:00 -
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I understand CCP's reasoning, but I think it is a bit harsh, and it doesn't seem to accept that middle of the road alliances deserve any consideration at all. My group of guys is just as capable of performing in the AT as any other group.
What I am concerned about was not as much this method, but the shrinking number of random draw slots. Thats the trend that I am finding disconcerting. There are a lot of people who want into this that could not, or only through significant effort, shell out 6-18b, which is my guess of what the bids will look like. Should we be considered second class citizens?
Just be careful ccp, that in the future, you don't CONTINUE to take more slots away from the random draw. It's becoming near impossible through the odds to be consistently in the tournament.
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Enzee
Gallente
Mos Vape Investments
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:16:00 -
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*UPDATE*
If the rumors are true that only 8 teams signed up for the auction, I think that is a good indicator that a lot of people would like the auction the other way, after the draw.
Perhaps as a compromise for AT9, half of the auction slots could be before the tournament draws, and those auctions might be a bit cheaper, then after the draws, there could be a desparation auction, which would likely have the big isk bids that CCP wants to pull some isk out of the economy.
That way everyone achieves their goal.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:30:00 -
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That's a fair enough point Enzee, but you're making one big assumption there and that's that the bigger alliances won't attempt to bid for the first auction, because they also want to spend less isk, or just because they'd rather seal the deal as early as possible to know they're in and start practicing more frequently.
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