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LightningQuake	Posted - 2010.04.26 05:16:00 - [1] I think I figured out why we lag when we are trying to play the game with more than 10 people. This is what all the networking should look like at CCP to keep us all lag free and fix networking problems when they arise: Now this is what their networking actually looks like and why if there is ever a problem it takes so long to fix: I am just poking fun at CCP not trying to be an Ahole just having some fun :)
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:00:00 - [2] last i checked, eve runs on T1 meta 0 hamsters and this is why there is lag. if they would get at least meta 3 it wouldnt be so bad, or train some skills -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:04:00 - [3] Look, lets get serious as it affects a lot of people. I don't ever get lag. Some so called experts may say its because I never do fleet fights but that's just a coincidence. The fact is I pray to the Volcano Gods every day and, as a back up, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Trust me, it works.
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Zartrader Look, lets get serious as it affects a lot of people. I don't ever get lag. Some so called experts may say its because I never do fleet fights but that's just a coincidence. The fact is I pray to the Volcano Gods every day and, as a back up, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Trust me, it works. the win is strong with this one. -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
LightningQuake	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:08:00 - [5] LoL I dont get much lag either but I was talking to a friend in RL who plays the game while we were at a data center and we walked by some of the worst looking server racks ever. I mean just horrible and I dont understand how that thing was still running. We were walking past it and he said "Hey look its CCP's server."
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:13:00 - [6] Originally by: LightningQuake LoL I dont get much lag either but I was talking to a friend in RL who plays the game while we were at a data center and we walked by some of the worst looking server racks ever. I mean just horrible and I dont understand how that thing was still running. We were walking past it and he said "Hey look its CCP's server." and then he "accidentally" turned if off without telling everyone? sounds KINDA familiar -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
LightningQuake	Posted - 2010.04.26 06:17:00 - [7] Yea you know how much havoc getting a server rack turned off causes? We all think its nothing but when you get working with server racks that cost tens of thousands to keep up and running you don't laugh. Yea TBH most of the time when a network goes down it is not because of some crazy error that is impossible to fix. It is because there is a cable unplugged and if your servers look like the bad picture above it'll take hours to fix it.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.04.26 07:35:00 - [8] So what if one cable stopped working and you instantly knew which one you had to replace.... in what datacenter would you rather be working?
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:04:00 - [9] Clean, prethought out data centers help with air flow and little else. Once it's all plugged in and wired up there's little to no reason to go into the room let alone unplug stuff. My OCD kicks in big time so you should see the beaty that is my patch panels but that's another matter. The actual problem with lag that people appear to skim over is that most online multiplayer games are what, 16, 32 maybe 64 players on one map at any one time? Even wow limits you to what? 5000 people per server? Where as eve, you've got thousands of systems shared across multiple nodes and each and every system could erupt into a fight at almost any moment. When you have even small scale skirmishes it's going to have an impact on sommin, 100 vs 100, what other game gives you that as a small fight? Think about all the maths flying about there :P Mmmmm maths Mmmmmmmmmmmmaths Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaths he he he it's annoying and I do think they need to focus on fixing the larger fights but I doubt any of the issues have anything to do with physical layout of cabernets... unless they're using 10/100 switches between the servers and the servers are old precision 420 workstations but I doubt that... I'm in a padantic mood and I know the OP was doing a funny :) -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Mossreach	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:08:00 - [10] 9/10 NOC's and server farms look more like the second picture. That first picture is fine if you only have a few server racks to worry about, but try it with a few hundred racks and you'll start to appreciate the benefits of loose cabling. Adding or moving data drops daily on that first setup would be a total nightmare.
witchking42 Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:45:00 - [11] ^^ Agreed When cabling is THAT neat, trying to cable trace a cable by hand is near impossible, and they only ever look like that for the first month after deployment! No matter how good your intentions are, all server / patch rooms will eventually look like the second image over time!!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:52:00 - [12] Thirding the above. I kept the cabling in racks I've worked on as tidy as possible, but also free enough to work on, because something inevitably needs to be done. - Did this sig become irrelevant while I was gone? Let me know!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.04.26 08:58:00 - [13] Lol, let's use the same color for every cable! Classic newb mistake. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Savatar Mei	Posted - 2010.04.26 09:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Zartrader The fact is I pray to the Volcano Gods every day and, as a back up, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Trust me, it works. your volcano gods have nothing written down so its not true... FSM bless you. Ramen.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.04.26 11:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 26/04/2010 11:01:38 That first pic probably ain't even a data center. Probably a back office running permanent drops to front offices. Whereas, the second pic is a data center. Kills me when people expect cables to be as neat in that first pic. One problem with one cable and it all gets undone. I would expect that picture was taken after a fresh install. And you don't trace cables by hand. That's what tone generators are for.
LightningQuake Gallente Martyr's Vengence Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:04:00 - [16] I will agree with most of you. The top picture is either in the beginning of a server deployment or some small office server somewhere. But I have to disagree with some comments saying that eventually they will turn into the second picture. Where I was at 90% of the servers looked nice and neat with as little cable all over the place as possible and yea only very few even looked like the first picture. For example the Sun Microsystems server was one of the best looking racks I had ever seen. Everything was well protected, cabling was nice and neat. That said there were at least 10 server cages that looked like the second picture and they scared the crap out of me. Most of the servers at the data center looked like this: Very few looked as nice as the first picture.
Ick Ickagami	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:21:00 - [17] The real CCP server farm. Look real close and you can see the RamSan.......
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:22:00 - [18] Yes that first pic looks like a small office server room on the turn over day from the contractor. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Syn Callibri Swag Co. Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Zartrader Look, lets get serious as it affects a lot of people. I don't ever get lag. Some so called experts may say its because I never do fleet fights but that's just a coincidence. The fact is I pray to the Volcano Gods every day and, as a back up, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Trust me, it works. Ill see your volcano gods and spaghetti monster and raise you the mighty "KONA TIKI" from Geiwanalaiya Island! "I have just as much authority as the empress, just not as many people that believe it."
Wolfgang Jager Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:01:00 - [20] Without showing all the hamster wheels, tunnels and feed dispensers you cannot properly show any server room ;) Such as this.... http://www.boingboing.net/images/habicase.jpg

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