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Amnesiya	Posted - 2010.04.26 11:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Amnesiya on 26/04/2010 11:42:22 Hey, thinking of using this setup for lvl 4's considering I have good drone skills but would need some skills for missiles to catch up. Mainly I am just bored of using the Domi and just want a change so figured due to drone skills this would be a nice difference. [Rattlesnake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Garde II x5 Now this is an omnitank setup and not an afk setup. I would probably just go with specific hardeners but this one seems to have more then it takes. EFT Specs: 750dps omnitank 820dps With Javs & Garde 85% / 78% / 84% / 86% resists I wouldn't mind some constructive criticism for the mission boat, and all suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks! Edit: I've looked at a few posts but I usually prefer my own setups as some of those don't make much sense to me... Forgot to mention - 45km reach with Javs
Taharqua10	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Taharqua10 on 26/04/2010 12:47:26 Lows Shield Power relay 2 x 6 Mids Pithum A- type kinetic dissapation amplifier x 3 Pithum A-Type Heat dissapation amplifier x 3 large shield extender 2 x 1 Highs Caldari Navy Cruise missile launcher x 4 Drone link augmentor x 2 Rigs Core defence field purger 2 x 3 Drones Orgre 2 x 10 Hammerhead 2 x 10 Hornet 2 x10 I tested this ship in parts 1 & 2 of the level 5 mission "the big sting" & its awesome. It looked serously over tanked against the Gallente faction so you could play around with the lows a bit to drop more gank in. I have a full of Pithum A-types for all damage types & they are expensive but do an awesome job if your passive skills are around 4 or 5. With 2400 DPS being thrown at it from full spawn agro in the first part of the "big sting" the tank never went below 80%. My opinion would be never to active tank a rattlesnake. It is one of the few ships that benefits from a fully passive tank. It's recharge rate with good skills is truely awesome. The above setup with my skills has a defense of 4000 according to EFT against Gallante so can solo a few level 5's & plexes with ease & has no danger of being neuted which should be your biggest concern with the setup you have proposed. Please understand that this rattler is fitted for pure tank so its damage will never be uber but it can survive & win as was demonstrated in the 2 level 5 missions it just completed.
Amnesiya	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:52:00 - [3] That does seem like a crazy tank lol I would still probably run logistics on an alt for lvl 5's, however I am just looking into doing lvl 4's solo with the ship at the moment so just looking for improvements on the ship that way. But I am for sure keeping your setup for the lvl 5's solo days once I get a few more skills up heh Also personally for 4's I prefer to have some gank as well and not just go all out tank. Thanks!
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar The Hurt Locker Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:08:00 - [4] ditch 1 drone link augmentor for a tractor beam. Seeing as you have no AB and are REALLY slow a tractor beam will help you in missions where you have to scoop loot from a wreck. (cutting 20km of slowboating from your time). You don't really need 2 drone link augmentors anyway. I WOULD however recommend putting 2 drone tracking links in your medslots. Drones are your primary DPS, and with 2 tracking links even heavies and sentries can track T2 frigs. Your tank is not optimal, and even though it will suffice for lvl4 missions, seeing as it is a FACTION ship I would recommend just putting a lil bit more tank onto it just in case you disconnect/lag out/fall asleep behind the bloody keyboard. This is the setup I recommend for lvl4 solo: [Rattlesnake, lvl4 setup for amnesiya] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Explosion Dampening Amplifier Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 implants: KVA1000 KYA1000 __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Amnesiya	Posted - 2010.04.26 15:41:00 - [5] Thanks for the replies! I guess it does make a bit more sense to go full tank on the ship as it is faction fit. And the tractor beam is a great addition heh, yes 65km is probably as far as it needs to go with the drones anyways. Thanks again for the great setups!
Zeede Qinhua	Posted - 2010.04.27 17:47:00 - [6] While missiles are the secondary weapons platform on the Rattlesnake, and you're going for an all-tank setup anyhow, cruise launchers would suit you much better. They can pull from further out, and don't require target painters and rigs to shine. Zeede
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.04.27 18:09:00 - [7] Torpedoes without target painters (and maybe a flare rig) is going to be a waste of time. Go with cruise missiles (and a rigor rig or two plus a TP) instead. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Tyra Storm Old Spice Syndicate Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.05.03 07:45:00 - [8] My Rattler is set-up mainly for Guristas missions: 4x Caldari Navy Cruise Launchers 2x Drone Link Augmentors Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Invul 3x Omnidirectional Tracking Links 2x Drone Navigation Computers 6x Shield Power Relay II 3x Core Defence Field Purger II 5x Garde II (55KM+ range) 5x Warden II (102KM+ range) 5X Ogre II 5X Hobgoblin II 923 Dps Omnitank 20k+ shield hp 50/60/70/75 resists 144.8 sec recharge 334.45hp/s peak recharge For other missions mids change to 2x large extenders, invul, primary and secondary mission hards, omni-link and shield recharger. Lows to 4x shield power relay II, 2x cal navy bcu.
Screenlag	Posted - 2010.05.03 10:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Amnesiya Thanks for the replies! I guess it does make a bit more sense to go full tank on the ship as it is faction fit. And the tractor beam is a great addition heh, yes 65km is probably as far as it needs to go with the drones anyways. Thanks again for the great setups! I would recommend you to train EW drones interfacing, I've trained it to lvl3 to get a range of 74km with a Link aug. It's quite perfect as sentries have an optimal range + falloff at 75km.
Amnesiya	Posted - 2010.05.03 12:19:00 - [10] Ok, with all the great advice I had gotten so far, this is what I ended up changing it to. It's mission specific with: 700dps with garde II 1200 dps specific tank (I don't mind changing the resists) I have also taken in consideration the EW Drone Interfacing and will add that to the list as well. Thanks! So this is the setup I have built that I think might work pretty good actually. [Rattlesnake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Warden II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 PS. It's cap stable with 1200dps tank specific.
xavier3	Posted - 2010.05.05 10:38:00 - [11] Edited by: xavier3 on 05/05/2010 10:40:31 My best Rattlesnake setup for all lvl4 solo Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Kaikka's Modified Shield Boost Amp Vepas'Modified Shield Boost Amp Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Cap stable @ 40% with 2511dps Tank
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.05.05 11:22:00 - [12] Originally by: xavier3 Edited by: xavier3 on 05/05/2010 10:40:31 My best Rattlesnake setup for all lvl4 solo Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Kaikka's Modified Shield Boost Amp Vepas'Modified Shield Boost Amp Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Cap stable @ 40% with 2511dps Tank And you can't hit small things properly unless you switch to small/med drones (cruises with no painters and no rigors are not good against anything other than battleships), losing lots of DPS, and your sentries don't hit very far nor track very well, making you lose either lots of dps by taking long range ones, or lots of time sending heavies at that range. And 60% of your tank is totally useless in lvl4, and in lvl5 you'll die to neuts anyway...
xavier3	Posted - 2010.05.05 12:06:00 - [13] I forgot to mention that i use hammerhead II and leave those cruise missile for BS and drone again small ship. You are right, this might not best for lvl5 but i said lvl4 mission solo.
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.05.05 12:35:00 - [14] Originally by: xavier3 I forgot to mention that i use hammerhead II and leave those cruise missile for BS and drone again small ship. You are right, this might not best for lvl5 but i said lvl4 mission solo. I know you said lvl4 solo, but as I said in my post it's very very far from "best" even for lvl4.
xavier3	Posted - 2010.05.05 13:45:00 - [15] Edited by: xavier3 on 05/05/2010 13:45:39 Well i don't know how you describe best or worst in lvl4 or lvl5 but i can say that my setup can run all the lvl4 very smooth even with Enemies Abound 5 of 5 i can go afk with all 6 wave again me. The point is i don't want to get my ship blow up after invest few bil isk, so i'm to make sure my tank can sustain all the dps for all lvl4 mission.
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.05.05 13:52:00 - [16] Originally by: xavier3 Edited by: xavier3 on 05/05/2010 13:45:39 Well i don't know how you describe best or worst in lvl4 or lvl5 but i can say that my setup can run all the lvl4 very smooth even with Enemies Abound 5 of 5 i can go afk with all 6 wave again me. The point is i don't want to get my ship blow up after invest few bil isk, so i'm to make sure my tank can sustain all the dps for all lvl4 mission. Ok then, you have a setup that can AFK tank every lvl4 with full aggro... And with poor dps and useless faction lauchers when you afk. (And I doubt you can afk-tank neuting missions) But you could have a better (and cheaper) setup for afk-missionning, with a passive tank and drone mods, or a better active setup with drone mods and less tank (you don't need to be able to tank that much if you're not asleep or afk).
xavier3	Posted - 2010.05.05 14:01:00 - [17] Why don't you share with us your rattlesnake setup that i will try equip and test it. Personally i got many different setup and this setup i shown today is for afk tank. I really want to know about your rattlesnake setup for heavy nos mission like Blood Raider The blockade.
Amnesiya	Posted - 2010.05.05 14:10:00 - [18] Thanks for the reply, but I am really not looking into an officer fitted rattler heh.. Too expensive for my wallet :D I can run all lvl 4's just fine in a Domi right now, and it has less tank then the rattlesnake that's for sure. Basically I am looking for suggestions on improving my fit that I changed last, preferably passive tanked or active with 2 Omni directionals as I do use sentries a lot, and not a multi billion setup please :) I don't care if it is hardeners or resist amplifiers as long as it is cap stable to be honest and I don't have to worry about it running out of cap in lvl 4 missions. I have a long ways until I will be doing lvl 5 missions in this ship and really only need it to do lvl 4's, they will be attended so 100% AFK setups while fine a little bit of dps isn't bad either :) Also thanks for the great fits so far I have improved it and changed it a fair bit from all the suggestion!
xavier3	Posted - 2010.05.05 14:29:00 - [19] Domi really is a great ship for lvl4 mission, my corp mate always ride those BS for soloing lvl4 mission. The only problem i encounter for lvl4 mission is the Blood Raider The Blockade, it will drain my cap away if i didn't remove those Nos cruise or elite cruise fast enough and that's the only mission i need to equip Heavy Capacitor Boosters to make sure i survive.
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:15:00 - [20] Originally by: xavier3 Domi really is a great ship for lvl4 mission, my corp mate always ride those BS for soloing lvl4 mission. The only problem i encounter for lvl4 mission is the Blood Raider The Blockade, it will drain my cap away if i didn't remove those Nos cruise or elite cruise fast enough and that's the only mission i need to equip Heavy Capacitor Boosters to make sure i survive. Passive hardeners, fully passive fit will do it.

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