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Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:29:00 - [1] So, I decided I want to be a miner. My mining style differs from the suggested, mostly due to my play style. Currently I like to outfit a ship with a large cargo capacity with a mining laser and go mining for hours on end, requiring very few visits back to my base of operations. I do this because I tend to be far more dedicated to doing programming homework, cleaning house, getting ready for the day, etc. and not directly focused on EVE. So, for now, given my low skill points, 1.7million with 1.4 of that in learning skills, I am in a Badger I with a single Mining Laser II and 2 MLUs. I have mined Veldspar, Pyroxeres, Scordite, and Prioclase (totally forget how it was spelled lol). And honestly havent seen much of a difference in my incomes between these four different ores. Heck, as things are, income is incredibly slow. I am taking it light and easy for now until I have the skills for a retriever. Which I think will be a massive improvement for my solo mining operation. Although, I also think going for the osprey route and joining a mining corp to do mining ops with them wouldn't be a bad thing at all, especially during times I get to focus on EVE more. I was wondering what sort of tips people have for new miners. I have read several guides and things, but they quickly gloss over the newbie miner experience, somewhat hinting that it is simply a waiting game till I have better skills. What are some good ores to mine for a person like me and where are good locations to mine at that are relatively safe? I have heard about Kino and Hek, been trying Kino some and want to go to Hek, but not too sure yet.
Devil tiger	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:45:00 - [2] Raise drone skills when you get the Retriever. Mining drones are very helpful in amping up the mining quota when you don't have the skills to use strip miners yet and combat drones are always handy, no matter what ship you're flying. The truth is that at the moment its not very profitable to mine with anything less than a fully boosted & skilled up Hulk. Due to low mineral prices and rampant macro farming. On the plus side mining brings ISK with almost no risk when compared to mission running or ratting.
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:48:00 - [3] Edited by: TheBlueMonkey on 26/04/2010 13:50:06 With that mining style in all honesty I doubt you'll notice much difference in the ores. There obviously will be but at the volumes you'll be mining it'll be a in the hundreads, possibly thousands of isk over the entire time you're mining. An osprey is indeed a good choice and will up your income significantly. There is a really good miners guide on the forum you just need to rumadge a bit for it. With mining, the reason it can feel that most people gloss over the newbie experience is that there's not much to it and with mining it's all about maxing your m3/hr ability so you can get maximum profits. When you can clear a belt in a hulk in an hour or two, then it's time to start worrying about what you mine. Personally... I just mine everything but I'm lazy. Check out the dotlan maps with the right overlays you can work out what systems are quiet and worth mining in. edit: It's also worth noting that once you get the skills lvl 4 missions will bring in significantly more isk/hr than mining and are just as easy. plus if you decide killing stuff is fun then alot of skills are there and ready for pewing ;) -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:50:00 - [4] Yeah very low risk right no, especially in high sec space. I am considering running combat missions while I am actively playing and leave the mining to while I am barely paying attention while doing hw etc. Lots of posts suggesting people not go into mining which has me pondering.
Sunr1ser Caldari Sunriser Capital Inudstries	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Evelyn LeDonna Yeah very low risk right no, especially in high sec space. I am considering running combat missions while I am actively playing and leave the mining to while I am barely paying attention while doing hw etc. Lots of posts suggesting people not go into mining which has me pondering. You should really only solo mine in highsec, lowsec ores are usually worse in terms of isk / m3. As far as tips go, I would say the osprey is an excellent mining ship early on. However, the big problem you will have will be the very limited cargo space (if you max out your yield you will be able to fill it in less than 1 minute) so it might not fit your current playstyle very well. However, the same can be said about the procurer and to some extent the retriever. And yes, highsec mining is probably the worst thing to do to make isk. A max skilled hulk MIGHT make 10 mill / hour, where a decent skilled missionrunner can easily make 20.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 26/04/2010 14:03:35 Yes, mining is possibly the worst profession to decide to take. Little isk making potential compared to other methods, (you will spend way more game time to earn as much isk as just about any other profession). Risk of explosion, (pirates like to explode industrials like the pinata's that they are). BUT; The bottom line is you make your own game in EVE, if you like mining go for it, god knows there are a million mining corps out there that can always take an extra hand. Also dont forget safety in numbers, there will always be people out there trying to take your 'hard earned' goods.... like me edit - jetcan mining FTW
Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:09:00 - [7] He he yeah, but there's not very many professions out there that can allow me to spend more of my attention on homework than the game. And pirates make things interesting. NPC ones are simply annoying, player ones would be exciting to say the least. Think I might go ahead and try to finish off my learning skills and do some combat missions. Its a tough choice heh. I have heard that mining is going to be on the outs soon, that makes me sad. I think mining in a team would be rather fun.
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Evelyn LeDonna but there's not very many professions out there that can allow me to spend more of my attention on homework than the game. Trade -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:46:00 - [9] Trade is true, but with all honesty, I suck at it. I went to Jita the other day and gave it a stab, I am relatively poor (currently have 3 mil now yay me). And after spending several hours in Jita, I managed to break even. I guess breaking even is better than losing money trying in-station trading in Jita. I just dont have the money to waste to take risks learning what is the best things to invest in, buy, sell, etc.
Chromaras	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:06:00 - [10] If you broke even in Jita, you were knowingly trading at a loss. Don't do this. Armchair quarterback out

Cpt Tackle	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Evelyn LeDonna Trade is true, but with all honesty, I suck at it. I went to Jita the other day and gave it a stab, I am relatively poor (currently have 3 mil now yay me). And after spending several hours in Jita, I managed to break even. I guess breaking even is better than losing money trying in-station trading in Jita. I just dont have the money to waste to take risks learning what is the best things to invest in, buy, sell, etc. Let's just say that Jita is not a good place to learn trading -- unless you buy stuff there and sell it elsewhere. Try secondary market hubs (those that are not Rens, Amarr or Oursalert) in other regions, if you want to do in-station trading.
Exploding Tukey	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 26/04/2010 18:44:20 How to train mining as fast as possible: 1) Train to fly the Retriever ASAP 2) Train to use a strip miner (tech1 for now) 3) Train Modulated Strip Miner to 2 and common ore processing skills to 3 to use the crystals. Veldspar is one of the best profit high sec asteroids to go after (from memory) so just stick to that for a while. NOTE: do not refine your own ore unless you have great skill in doing so. Somebody in your corp can even do it for you free if you ask nicely. make sure your Refining, Refining Efficiency (which needs refininsh 5) and mineral specific processing skills are trained up. 6) get a hulk! so... Here is a list of skills you need. order depends on you. Ships/Equip: (Retriever) -Astrogeology 4 -Mining Barge 3 (Strip Miner) -Mining 4 (Modulated Strip Miner) -Mining 5 (Mining Crystal) -<OreName> Processing 3 (Eg: Veldspar Processing 3 for Veldspar mining crystal) (Hulk) -Mining Barge 5 -Exhumer 3 (Mining Crystal II) -<OreName> Processing 4 Ore refining: -Refining 5 -Refining Efficiency 4 -<OreName> Processing 4 Read up on Jet-Can mining. Basically mine and jettison into a container, then come back and drag the minerals home in your badger. Note that jet cans are only in space for an hour so make sure you drag them home before they disappear.
Sunr1ser Caldari Sunriser Capital Inudstries	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Exploding Tukey make sure your Refining, Refining Efficiency (which needs refininsh 5) and mineral specific processing skills are trained up. actually, for highsec mining you only need refenery efficiency lvl 1, since you will want to have <ore> processing lvl 4 (for tech 2 crystals) anyway.
Lorkin Desal Caldari Lone Star Partners	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:48:00 - [14] Edited by: Lorkin Desal on 26/04/2010 19:49:11 We can take you uder our "wings" and teach you about the great profession that is mining and industry. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1298139&page=1 even if you arnt intrested in joing a corp i'd click the link and read the mining guide http://www.lsjv-eve.com/guide
Scarry Peak	Posted - 2010.04.27 16:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Evelyn LeDonna I am considering running combat missions while I am actively playing and leave the mining to while I am barely paying attention while doing hw etc. I do exactly this... I get to normally work at home a couple of days a week and run a hulk to mine for pocket money - to fund mission grinding at the weekends if possible. Doing that has just paid for my Orca for my corp to run corp mining ops WAYYYYY more effectively ... Mining for pocket money and missioning for experience allowed me to equip a Vexor, Brutix, Myrm and Domi with decent T2 fits. Pays for my research alt to +ME my recent Myrm and Brutix BPO purchases, and any other BPOs as my main is primarily an Industrial character. All in the xxx,000.00 range... Don't get me wrong - this is a LONG SLOG!. But suits my RL circs just now... GL and Fly safe.
Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.27 20:01:00 - [16] In one hour of doing missions, I made the same amount of ISK as I did 14 hours of afk-ish mining. Thats BEFORE I sold anything I looted or salvaged. This makes me sad. Happy I made money. Sad that mining seems relatively pitiful compared to simply running missions. Think I may just go for combat instead as it seems it is the CLEAR money making favorite.
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2010.04.27 20:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Evelyn LeDonna In one hour of doing missions, I made the same amount of ISK as I did 14 hours of afk-ish mining. Thats BEFORE I sold anything I looted or salvaged. This makes me sad. Happy I made money. Sad that mining seems relatively pitiful compared to simply running missions. Think I may just go for combat instead as it seems it is the CLEAR money making favorite. I was about to respond to this thread suggesting you re-think the mining career but read this post and see that you have done a little research and have made the decision on your own . Now, this is not to say being able to hop in a covetor and do some mining is not a bad idea (you may find your corp in w-space with a bunch of ABC's on hand, who knows?), just not something you want to base your eve-life around. -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Ogirs Slave	Posted - 2010.04.27 21:30:00 - [18] Quote: Currently I like to outfit a ship with a large cargo capacity with a mining laser and go mining for hours on end, requiring very few visits back to my base of operations. I do this because I tend to be far more dedicated to doing programming homework, cleaning house, getting ready for the day, etc. and not directly focused on EVE. Somehow i'm waiting for the first pilot to get an Orca and 5 Mining Drones II too mine afk ;) Back to topic: As you'll surely remain in high sec, i'd recommend Veldspar, or think about mining ice one you have a hulk. Hulk + Cargohold Expanders II + Rigs = 18k m¦ cargo space. with 3 ice miners I and almost no skills it will take you about 1 hour to fill it, so enough time to be afk. Or read Halada's Mining guide, was a great introduction for me too.
Evelyn LeDonna Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.04.27 21:37:00 - [19] He he, never mine in any low sec while afk... not unless there's some sort of very friendly, heavily armed protection around. Overall, I think I should gear more towards combat, and grab a few mining skills on the side until I find myself a suitable corp. Then, depending on the corp's needs, maybe make a decision. Since EVE is designed the way it is, all it takes is time to do what I want, whatever that is he he. :)
My Postman	Posted - 2010.04.28 12:19:00 - [20] AFK - Mining "easymode" Get in a hulk. Search for a high-sec ice belt. Lock rock, start mining. You will not make as much when mining the "most valuable" highsec ore but nearly. On the other hand high sec ice belts are regularly visited by highsec gankers, so you might find yourself in your pod or even at cloning station. You cant compare mining income with a maxed out hulk (maybe orca supported), with minig in a hauler with two mining lasers. This way is the worst way. When i mine (maxed out hulk, no orca support, mining crystal 1) i can make 10-12 mil/hour, mining the "right" (i.e. most selling) ore with max refining yield, and i don¦t have to care too much about suicide gankers. On the other hand, noone knows what the next patch (PI) will bring up for miners, i personally assume veldspar (trit) will be worth next to nothing, but thats what i think. Hope this helps.

Nomen Luni	Posted - 2010.04.28 12:44:00 - [21] Edited by: Nomen Luni on 28/04/2010 12:44:14 how about mining to manufacure goods? , not necessarily to sell , but also to be able to build your ownn ships and modules. This is what I do as a casual player, it gives me a goal, I have specfific ores I need to mine to get the correct minerals for my blueprints. You can sometimes make nice little profits on certain items at the right times..
Don Lunardi Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.28 17:51:00 - [22] Ice mining is generally the favoured AFK mining strategy, mostly becuase it takes forever between cycles such a properly fit Exhumer can go for awhile before you have to dump your cargo, and because your average ice block takes equally forever to mine out. The Bad side? Low payout for the most part, and the risk of getting suicided does greatly increase if you are AFK. A few months ago we had a little event here called "Hulkageddon" which you might want to do a search on, just in case. Add to the fact a Hulk requires a fair bit of training to fly, averages about 150mil these days just for the hull, and is uninsurable. A Mackinaw for ice mining runs about half that, but is also uninsurable. Ergo, one person ganking you for giggles can wipe out much of your AFK profits in short order if you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. CONCORD can't be counted on to prevents criminal acts, only to punish the criminal. As a side note, you can also run certain mission AFK while using a Droneboat. There are a few threads on this in the Missioning section.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.28 18:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Nomen Luni Edited by: Nomen Luni on 28/04/2010 12:44:14 how about mining to manufacure goods? , not necessarily to sell , but also to be able to build your ownn ships and modules. This is what I do as a casual player, it gives me a goal, I have specfific ores I need to mine to get the correct minerals for my blueprints. You can sometimes make nice little profits on certain items at the right times.. You will probably not be able to mine all the minerals you need to manufacture stuff. If you sell, you will rely on buying even more. You will find it is too much hassle to manufacture stuff only for yourself, other than the odd T1 module or T1 ammo. You will also find that you can often buy for cheaper than you can manufacture. The key to profitable selling is: Market Research + Location + Location + Location


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