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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:07:00 -
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So, Between the 4 freighters (and taking jump freighters into account for the future) what is the best race to aim for?
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:11:00 -
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Charon holds the most M3... What else would ya want with a freighter? -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Tenchi Sal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:12:00 -
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i went minamatar because its faster.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH Charon holds the most M3... What else would ya want with a freighter?
QFT. However the Gallente line has the most EHP(But if you are gonna get ganked then you are gonna get ganked anyway. At least by anyone who is competent) Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://www.wi-alliance.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 |
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Joe SMASH Charon holds the most M3... What else would ya want with a freighter?
QFT. However the Gallente line has the most EHP(But if you are gonna get ganked then you are gonna get ganked anyway. At least by anyone who is competent)
Exactly... Which is why m3 is all that really matters imo. No one buys a freighter because it is fast or aligns quick. You buy one to haul sh*t around. That is literally the only thing a freighter can do. So wouldn't it make sense to get the biggest one?
<I say this as I fly my Obelisk from Jita... > -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Cate Fenring
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:27:00 -
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The Providence looks the best .. the m3 don't differ that much, better look at something nice while freightering ^^
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:29:00 -
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Get whatever one pleases you the most aesthetically. Seriously. If you are going to fly +30 jumps in a ship that takes half a minute to align to each gate, you will thank me later when you at least enjoy the view.
Unless you're a serious trader, the -50k/+50k m3 difference in cargo space is not going to matter much.
I went from flying an Obelisk, to a Providence, to finally settling on a Fenrir, cuz I like how it looks like a Sandcrawler, and it's fun to fly.
{...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness} |
Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:56:00 -
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Charon - Rhea it is I guess.
Now to only come up with a fitting plan for the Charon and I will be set.
How does this look?
[Charon, Tank]
I think it can use a little more tank.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey [Charon, Tank]
I think it can use a little more tank.
Nah. I prefer this one:
[Charon, Nano] ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 28/04/2010 15:11:57 Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 28/04/2010 15:11:36
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Exploding Tukey [Charon, Tank]
I think it can use a little more tank.
Nah. I prefer this one:
[Charon, Nano]
OMG, i'm using this one!!
Thank god rockets cant hit me for full damage now!
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:21:00 -
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Bear in mind that with the JFs, there is another factor to consider. The Nomad has the lowest capacity, but the best fuel efficiency (it beats all the others in terms of fuel per LY per m^3). --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 28/04/2010 15:11:57 Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 28/04/2010 15:11:36
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Exploding Tukey [Charon, Tank]
I think it can use a little more tank.
Nah. I prefer this one:
[Charon, Nano]
OMG, i'm using this one!!
Thank god rockets cant hit me for full damage now!
Ack! That's a horrible PVP fit!
Sure, its got a respectable buffer tank for that class of ship, but its got next to nil for DPS output. |
mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:29:00 -
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From what I've seen the tradeoffs seem to be:
Amarr: Nothing outstanding from what I've seen.
Caldari: Most cargo space (especially good for when you don't care how long it takes, just so long as lots of stuff gets where it's going)
Gallente: Most EHP, almost no training time from the Ity 5, the largest indy (most EHP is marginal, serious gank is needed for any, but I have a friend that flys an Ity 5 already and it's just a few days for Spaceship Command 5 for him to get the freighter too)
Minmitar: Fastest, which can make a big difference in actual travel time, especially over longer trips (I'll be training for one myself since I already fly a Mammy and don't want to bother training for a different one too right now)
Other points I see and take into account is that I like that the Prov and Fenrir look like vehicles from Star Wars (the Prov looks like a Gallofree transport (the ones from The Empire Strikes Back) and the Fenrir looks like a Sandcrawler (those things the Jawas ride around in). Neither of those is enough to make up my mind for me, but it is something I notice.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:54:00 -
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Minmatar: Because the fenrir is the fastest one and cargo are somewhat similiar. Gallente: Because you get the itty 5, a cheap and huge hauler. Caldari: Because biggest, is biggest, period. Amarr: Because of Impel and prorator, the two best transport ships without any competition. Parrots, commence!
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Tenchi Sal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.28 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Joe SMASH Charon holds the most M3... What else would ya want with a freighter?
QFT. However the Gallente line has the most EHP(But if you are gonna get ganked then you are gonna get ganked anyway. At least by anyone who is competent)
Exactly... Which is why m3 is all that really matters imo. No one buys a freighter because it is fast or aligns quick. You buy one to haul sh*t around. That is literally the only thing a freighter can do. So wouldn't it make sense to get the biggest one?
<I say this as I fly my Obelisk from Jita... >
right because speed isnt a factor when you are trying to beat your competition to point B to fill that buy order.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:03:00 -
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One thing to think about for jump freighters: Performing a jump requires a rather high (95%?) amount of capacitor, so capacitor recharge time plays a big part into how quickly you can jump. The Nomad has by far the fastest recharge time, if you're wanting to minimize your lowsec exposure.
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:06:00 -
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Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
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Skyvyr
Caldari Ascendent. Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr One thing to think about for jump freighters: Performing a jump requires a rather high (95%?) amount of capacitor, so capacitor recharge time plays a big part into how quickly you can jump. The Nomad has by far the fastest recharge time, if you're wanting to minimize your lowsec exposure.
I thought pretty much all of them can double jump then be capped out?
I almost always ended up docking, undocking and hitting next jump anyway. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
DustiX
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
yeah because the freighter that have the lower cargohold its clearly the best one
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: DustiX
Originally by: Exploding Tukey Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
yeah because the freighter that have the lower cargohold its clearly the best one
It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion in the ocean.
{...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness} |
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: DustiX
Originally by: Exploding Tukey Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
yeah because the freighter that have the lower cargohold its clearly the best one
yeah because you always have to fill its cargo fully,it wouldnt undock without it .... but wait you never need the better speed/align time matar has, btw charon doesnt have more than 10% more cargo fenrir has that is such a HUGE advantage
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DustiX
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: DustiX
Originally by: Exploding Tukey Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
yeah because the freighter that have the lower cargohold its clearly the best one
yeah because you always have to fill its cargo fully,it wouldnt undock without it .... but wait you never need the better speed/align time matar has, btw charon doesnt have more than 10% more cargo fenrir has that is such a HUGE advantage
im not saying the the minmatar one its bad but isntthe overall best one
depends what you use your freighter for. if you use it to move expensive stuff and and have some fort of protection because the ship its hard to gank the minmatar one its the best one. if you use it just to move mineral and you alway fly with full cargo the caldari its the best.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 28/04/2010 19:35:34
Originally by: DustiX
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: DustiX
Originally by: Exploding Tukey Yeah, Minmatar seems to take the cake once again.
How can these piles of junk make the best ships in game!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
yeah because the freighter that have the lower cargohold its clearly the best one
yeah because you always have to fill its cargo fully,it wouldnt undock without it .... but wait you never need the better speed/align time matar has, btw charon doesnt have more than 10% more cargo fenrir has that is such a HUGE advantage
im not saying the the minmatar one its bad but isntthe overall best one
depends what you use your freighter for. if you use it to move expensive stuff and and have some fort of protection because the ship its hard to gank the minmatar one its the best one. if you use it just to move mineral and you alway fly with full cargo the caldari its the best.
The key is how many trips would you have to make back and forth to have that extra % cargo make a real difference in the long haul?
Fenrir - 900,000 m3 - 100% Charon - 980,000 m3 - 109%
You would have to make 12x full loads of minerals to have that extra 80k result in one less trip in the Charon than would be required in the Fenrir for every 0.01 m3 you are over any multiple of 980,000 m3 in goods needing hauled.
Now, I dunno about you, but I do not regularly make a dozen hauls from one hub to another with 200-300mil worth of tritanium in my freighter often. For anyone who does, sure, save one trip every dozen you make... ok, great! But for anyone else, what's the big fuss about. So you make a trip to Jita once or twice a month, 80k m3 is not gonna matter that much because if you're bordering on filling up a maxed Charon to begin with, esp. with commodities, you're more liable to have to make two trips regardless of being in the Charon with more cargo hold, and unless you are again filling a Charon near to the brim on the second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. trip then you're not really saving any time by flying something with 9% more cargo space. If I have to make more than a dozen fully loaded trips in a Charon from one trade hub to another of more than a dozen jumps, my entire night is shot anyways, and my brain is on autopilot, what is one more trip gonna matter?
{...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness} |
Sajeera
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:34:00 -
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Caldari - big cargo bay Galente - EHP Amarr - shiny look Minmatar - best agility and fastest
conclusion: Minmatar
Why? Freighters are afk flying ships (unless you are some masochist) and the minmatar freighter will save you most time of all because of his speed and agility.
Why not the rest?
Bigger cargo bay is nice but chances are that if you cant fit your cargo in Fenrir, you probably will not fit it in Charon too. For multiple courses the Fenrir will compensate the cargo hold with his faster travel.
Ehp? Like someone before me already said, if somebody want to gank you he will do it anyway.
So the ugly but effective thruth is Fenrir. And as a bonus, when training for it you will get the awesome minmatar transport ship line aswell.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sajeera Caldari - big cargo bay Galente - EHP Amarr - shiny look Minmatar - best agility and fastest
conclusion: Minmatar
Why? Freighters are afk flying ships (unless you are some masochist) and the minmatar freighter will save you most time of all because of his speed and agility.
Why not the rest?
Bigger cargo bay is nice but chances are that if you cant fit your cargo in Fenrir, you probably will not fit it in Charon too. For multiple courses the Fenrir will compensate the cargo hold with his faster travel.
Ehp? Like someone before me already said, if somebody want to gank you he will do it anyway.
So the ugly but effective thruth is Fenrir. And as a bonus, when training for it you will get the awesome minmatar transport ship line aswell.
Yep this covers it fully -->matar is the best overall, especially if you go for jump freighters best cap recharge / lowest fuel need, for a 9% less cargo than the caldari one.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:53:00 -
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Fenrir is the king of the freighters for all the reasons stated above. Mastadon tanks like a drake and still has lots of cargo space as its shield tank doesn't use any lows so if its caught in a low sec or nullsec gank then it has a much higher chance of surviving until backup can get there. The Prowler has two highs so you can can cloak and probe at the same time making it an awesome blockade runner especially for wormhole work. You just can't go wrong with the Matari cargo haulers.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Fenrir is the king of the freighters for all the reasons stated above. Mastadon tanks like a drake and still has lots of cargo space as its shield tank doesn't use any lows so if its caught in a low sec or nullsec gank then it has a much higher chance of surviving until backup can get there. The Prowler has two highs so you can can cloak and probe at the same time making it an awesome blockade runner especially for wormhole work. You just can't go wrong with the Matari cargo haulers.
Except for the fact that their cloaky cannot carry a cruiser no matter what you do to it.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:13:00 -
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Charon: Best if every m3 counts, or you don't AFK haul very often (WTZ is best with lots of valuable cargo). Fenrir: Best if you AFK haul a lot. Providence: Best if you can't decide. Obelisk: Best if you already trained for an Iteron V.
I went for the Charon. I also have 2 alts training for Charon because I actually need to move a lot of stuff all the time, and every m3 counts. My second choice was a Providence, as Amarr have really good Transports. However, I've not been disappointed with my Crane, which I positively love. Blockade Runners make training Racial Industrial 5 worthwhile for everyone I've chatted with, even if you don't need the volume of a freighter.
Speed: Fenrir > Providence > Obelisk > Charon (they all are glacial warping at 0.75 though) Capacity: Charon > Obelisk > Providence > Fenrir
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenesa
Originally by: Zeba Fenrir is the king of the freighters for all the reasons stated above. Mastadon tanks like a drake and still has lots of cargo space as its shield tank doesn't use any lows so if its caught in a low sec or nullsec gank then it has a much higher chance of surviving until backup can get there. The Prowler has two highs so you can can cloak and probe at the same time making it an awesome blockade runner especially for wormhole work. You just can't go wrong with the Matari cargo haulers.
Except for the fact that their cloaky cannot carry a cruiser no matter what you do to it.
True, but most blockade runners are not carrying around cruisers as their primary regular cargo. Besides most competant hauler pilots have both the prowler and prorator trained anyways so that particular point is moot.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:58:00 -
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Others have laid out the basic specs, pluses, and minuses. I can fly two of them and in about a week three of the choices. Here's my take on it:
If you're going to be hauling a lot of stuff on a regular basis (esp. mins and other materials/resources) and you're in hisec, Charon is the way to go. At the freighter V point, the difference between the Charon and Fenrir is large, and it adds up FAST if you haul a lot.
If you are going to be hauling regularly, but aren't going to be hauling very large volumes of building materials (e.g., you're moving rigged ships or low volume/high value cargo), the Fenrir is the way to go. It travels faster overall and if you're running AFK, its even better. ATK its also faster overall, but the time difference is smaller. Again, that time differential adds up quickly if you travel alot.
The other two have no definitive advantage in hisec, but they balance the aspects of the other two. I specify hisec, because if you're doing freighting in nosec/losec with an escort, that extra EHP can be a life saver, esp if you've got reppers. If you're in hisec and you've already trained for that races industrials, its not too big of a deal.
The JF's have the same sort of bonuses/drawbacks. If you are flying in NPC nosec space and are just jumping straight to a station, it doesn't much matter and I would go with the Rhea for cargo space. But if you're jumping to POS's, the Nomad's recharge rate is significantly better than the others. The fuel savings mentioned before also becomes a consideration if you do a lot of jumps.
Personally, I like the Minmatar/Caldari hauling ships. For me it comes down to more cargo vs. speed/agility or, to put it another way, hisec vs losec/nosec.
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