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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.28 17:16:00 -
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farewell, nulabour
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ViperTan
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.28 17:19:00 -
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A lesson in how to blow your chances
VT
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 17:38:00 -
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Someone seriously needs to find the reset button for the entire system tbh. It's almoast painful to watch.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:07:00 -
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wat?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:38:00 -
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Actually ... the title is almost correct. Most human beings are ethno-centric. We all tend to feel more comfortable around people who are like we are. The step from being ethno-centric to being bigoted ... isn't necessarily a large one though. To a degree it's a matter of perception. Make a judgment you think is fair about another culture and you can pretty much expect them to respond that you're a bigot - regardless of the accuracy of your comment.
Of course - there is no one who is immune to this. Ethnic groups of every flavor have people they look down on - and people they think they are better than (pretty much everyone else). This is common place. This is the rule. Look at the people who revel in their ethnicity and live to play the martyr - and you will usually find the most bigoted people of all. After all - every one else IS out to get them.
*shrug*
Of course - the flaw in that - is that everyone else isn't out to get JUST them - everyone else pretty much has a low opinion of everyone who ... isn't like they are.
When I worked as a tutor for the city schools ... 95% of the other tutors and supervisors - were women. When I was in an auditorium for a group meeting ... I wasn't all that uncomfortable ... but I was very much aware of the fact that I was severely out numbered.
To a large extent - that's about all it ever amounts to with a lot of people. Of course ... like almost all men ... I really wouldn't want to be a woman ... and that is some form of ... *shrug* a subjective point of view ... (sorry ... I'm sure there's a better phrase out there but it is illuding me). That doesn't mean that I hate women ... it just means that I like who I am and don't have any particular desire to be anyone else ... including a woman. And there are, I would imagine, women who feel exactly the same way about themselves ... though ... that's more complicated ...
Anyway ... having abused this thread enough for now ... I shall depart.
In the Immortal Words of Vanna White: "Good Bye!"
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth wat?
You are better off not knowing tbh. Especially if you live there.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:54:00 -
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lesson 1 how to totally alienate your ardent voter base !
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Mr Reeth wat?
You are better off not knowing tbh. Especially if you live there.
Is this an England thing?
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:08:00 -
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mwhahaha ...he`s neil kinnock in disuise
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk stuff
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:36:00 -
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I dunno, why would this be the particular straw to break Gordon's back? As opposed to, say, Bullygate? The man's nearly as impervious as Hoon I tells ya.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:39:00 -
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The woman could well of been a bigot. She might be laughing her socks off at this if she actually does not like eastern europeans etc.
But Brown was a tit for falling into this trap.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue The woman could well of been a bigot. She might be laughing her socks off at this if she actually does not like eastern europeans etc.
But Brown was a tit for falling into this trap.
nah, the entire conversation was on tape so context is there, she simply raised the spectre of eastern european immigration (the government has a dreadful record on immigration) amongst many other things. it was quite normal and only a fool would not be concerned with the EU and immigration from poor states, and those yet to join. Brown smiled and said how nice it was to meet everyone and within seconds of being inside his car launched into a bizarre tirade on the woman, ending with calling her a bigot.
there was no trap, that is nulabour :/
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:53:00 -
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Apparently The Sun paid 50 grand for an interview with her, but aren't publishing it. It seems that Brown misheard a certain word when she said
Quote: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're à but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?
and she's quite content now.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:29:00 -
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Clegg!
The US is worried (neocons and neolibs really). We need our British puppet state to keep that Police state incubator/test lab going and fresh cannon fodder for the middle east.
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lost marble
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: lost marble on 29/04/2010 02:34:15
Originally by: Taua Roqa
the government has a dreadful record on immigration
What's your definition of dreadful?
It's an irony that the hard immigration policies we put against countries like Pakistan have resulted in large communities of Pakistanis who have become British over time, whereas soft immigration policies have resulted in Polish men boosting the UK economy for a good part of their working lives then going back home to grow old.
I don't get the race thing, any definition be it skin colour, genetics, ancestry, state or some other means has huge holes and gray areas. Am I meant to worry about blacks but the Polish are ok because they're white or should I get angry when some Saxon blooded English s****crosses the border and threatens to taint my Gaelic blood? Total rubbish the lot of it.
(yani dumyat - accidental alt post)
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Yiffi
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Posted - 2010.04.29 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Yiffi on 29/04/2010 14:29:13
Originally by: lost marble Edited by: lost marble on 29/04/2010 02:34:15 What's your definition of dreadful?
It's an irony that the hard immigration policies we put against countries like Pakistan have resulted in large communities of Pakistanis who have become British over time, whereas soft immigration policies have resulted in Polish men boosting the UK economy for a good part of their working lives then going back home to grow old.
I don't get the race thing, any definition be it skin colour, genetics, ancestry, state or some other means has huge holes and gray areas. Am I meant to worry about blacks but the Polish are ok because they're white or should I get angry when some Saxon blooded English s****crosses the border and threatens to taint my Gaelic blood? Total rubbish the lot of it.
(yani dumyat - accidental alt post)
Pull your head out of your arse.
Let's just let in whoever, and as many people that want to come here.
Shame I can't link some nice reports of paedophiles and other s****who are allowed to stay here after serving their pathetically short prison sentences. Not isolated cases at all mind you.
If I were to link them like last time, my post would mysterious disappear. Just like when I made a topic about it.
But hell lets just continue on the same path with immigration. It doesnÆt matter if the natives are made a minority in there own country one day, as that wouldnÆt be politically correct.
And donÆt give me any bull**** about ôwho is a nativeö or not. Are the MaoriÆs of New Zealand not natives? Of course they are, so how is it any different for the British?
Herp derp but Britain is a nation of immigrants, yeah and all those countryÆs were of European descent. Whilst the majority of the country's population still remained intact.
I just personally believe that countries should remain different and diverse and we shouldnÆt all be thrown together in one horrid mess.
In before ôRacistö ô****ö ôXenophobeö and the flavour of the week ôBigotö!
Also to try and remain on topic, goodbye Gordon Brown and NuLabour. :)
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lost marble
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.29 18:41:00 -
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LOL, WTF are you talking about?
At no point did I say we should "let's just let in whoever, and as many people that want to come here", in fact I pointed out the opposite, Gordon Brown's EU immigration policies have resulted in large numbers of eastern europeans leaving the country as well as entering it. It seems odd to me that people can be so passionate about their British culture yet fail to understand that many immigrants are here for economic reasons and want to return home to their own families and culture once they can.
The only thing Gordon Brown did wrong in this situation was apologize instead of being man enough to stand by his true opinions and the actions of his government. I'd rather take a policy of supplying our economy with workers over one that forces people in to the asylum system and ensures they'll never leave the UK.
Originally by: Yiffi
Shame I can't link some nice reports of paedophiles and other s****who are allowed to stay here.
So you'd rather have a policy of immigrants being hidden in the back rooms of chinese restaurants for fear of the law than have people on work permits where the police might be able to find them when they commit a crime? Anyway I'm sure we export more weirdos to Thailand than we get coming in here.
Originally by: Yiffi
But hell lets just continue on the same path with immigration. It doesnÆt matter if the natives are made a minority in there own country one day, as that wouldnÆt be politically correct.
If someone's risked their life to get here it's not because they wanted a holiday on a sunny beach, the only way you'll stop immigration is by becoming a poor country with no financial incentive for people to move here. I think labour's done a good job in that respect.
Originally by: Yiffi
And donÆt give me any bull**** about ôwho is a nativeö or not. Are the MaoriÆs of New Zealand not natives? Of course they are, so how is it any different for the British?
So you want to see a ban on people emigrating from the UK to New Zealand? Or is it ok for us to be causing immigration problems in countries like Spain and New Zealand?
Originally by: Yiffi
Herp derp but Britain is a nation of immigrants, yeah and all those countryÆs were of European descent. Whilst the majority of the country's population still remained intact.
So it was ok for europeans to come here in times past but we've now reached a magical point on the timeline where Britain is so genetically perfect that we shouldn't let them come here any more? Honestly they seem more friendly now than when they turned up in longships.
Originally by: Yiffi
I just personally believe that countries should remain different and diverse and we shouldnÆt all be thrown together in one horrid mess.
The internet, global brand names and hollywood are doing way more to homogenize cultures than immigration is. If your problem is one of race rather than culture then please try and remember that inbreeding is bad.
Originally by: Yiffi
Also to try and remain on topic, goodbye Gordon Brown and NuLabour. :)
+1 to Gordon Brown for calling her a bigot, -5 to him for failing to explain his views because he's so obsessed with PR and spin.
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Yiffi
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: lost marble It seems odd to me that people can be so passionate about their British culture yet fail to understand that many immigrants are here for economic reasons and want to return home to their own families and culture once they can.
They want to return home once they can? Have you seen London recently? Sure looks like lots of immigrants want to leave asap .
Originally by: lost marble I'd rather take a policy of supplying our economy with workers over one that forces people in to the asylum system and ensures they'll never leave the UK.
I love all this we need to have so many migrant workers other wise the UK will collapse. We didn't need millions of foreign workers that long ago to keep the country running and we never really did. Granted particular immigration for certain types of work can be good. But it shouldn't cause a country to be swamped.
Originally by: lost marble So you'd rather have a policy of immigrants being hidden in the back rooms of Chinese restaurants for fear of the law than have people on work permits where the police might be able to find them when they commit a crime? Anyway I'm sure we export more weirdoÆs to Thailand than we get coming in here.
How about a policy of all illegal migrants are detained and then removed and the borders tightened up. If somebody wants to come in they do it through the proper channels. Then you won't have to get your bleeding heart up in a twist about "Migrants in back rooms cowering in fear of being arrested" As for the comment on us exporting some sick bastards abroad I highly doubt the numbers are even close to want you're thinking. And Thailand seems to hand tough sentences if they catch the bastards.
Originally by: lost marble If someone's risked their life to get here it's not because they wanted a holiday on a sunny beach.
What happened to refugees and migrants stopping off at the first suitable country they arrive at? Oh thatÆs right they ignore plenty of suitable countries just to come all the way here. Due the fact they know how easy the government makes it for them here and gives them a helping hand whenever they can.
Originally by: lost marble So you want to see a ban on people emigrating from the UK to New Zealand? Or is it ok for us to be causing immigration problems in countries like Spain and New Zealand?
Other countries rules on their borders are their choice not ours. If they feel that they have too many Brits coming in they would do something about it. FYI the Brits leaving this country rarely ever course grief for their host countries and are often just retiring abroad. They are also leaving to escape what parts of the country has turned into.
Originally by: lost marble So it was ok for Europeans to come here in times past but we've now reached a magical point on the timeline where Britain is so genetically perfect that we shouldn't let them come here any more? Honestly they seem more friendly now than when they turned up in longships.
Races and cultures should remain unique. Or perhaps you would prefer if ever one turned into the same colour?
Originally by: lost marble The internet, global brand names and hollywood are doing way more to homogenize cultures than immigration is. If your problem is one of race rather than culture then please try and remember that inbreeding is bad.
Global brand names and Hollywood just churn out ****e 90% of the time. The internet too is not going to magically change countries culture and race. Nothing wrong with similar cultures and races mixing I.E other European countries. Again you seem to want everyone mixed up together. I thought liberals cherished diversity? How is one culture slowly being over written by another a good thing?
Originally by: lost marble +1 to Gordon Brown for calling her a bigot.
This comment shows truly who you are. Another PC prat.
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scunner funk
Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination
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Posted - 2010.04.29 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: scunner funk on 29/04/2010 23:24:08
Originally by: National Statistics
The number of people leaving the UK for 12 months or more reached a record high in 2008, with an estimated 427,000 people emigrating. This was up from 341,000 in 2007 and 398,000 in 2006. This rise was as a result of a 50 per cent increase in non-British citizens emigrating from 169,000 in 2007 to 255,000 in 2008. Just over half of the 86,000 increase were citizens of the A8 Accession countries which joined the EU in 2004.
source
Do your homework before blindly accusing people of being liberals, I understand enough American Indian history to realize the perils of too much immigration. I've also been lucky enough to travel widely so have some appreciation of the legacy of the British empire, if you think that immigration policy announcements by the UK government have more affect on people's desire to come here than the fact that we ruled their countries, redefined their political and economic lives and taught the world english then you need to spend some time traveling the former commonwealth.
To put it another way we have family links that go way back beyond the introduction of immigration controls such as freed slaves from Jamaica, British soldiers who fell in love with Indian girls and brought them home, Caribbean circus performers who settled here hundreds of years ago and many other ties right up to the modern day goa crusties and facebook friendships with Delhi computer nerds.
The point is that Britain can not shut its borders because friends > the state, if that situation changes then we have a problem. No matter how many guns you point at immigration we have too many ties with too many countries to stop people coming here, you could say we're a victim of our own success. You call me liberal and a PC prat yet fail to understand the consequences of our own military achievements.
In respect to London you seem to have made a mistake between black people and immigrants, if you can't grasp the concept that someone born in this country is British then I feel sorry for you. Immigration is a function of technology + history and "alien" ideas like christianity used to take many years and much slaughter before they took hold whereas today memes shift with the whims of failblog and for the first time in history we are bombarded by the thoughts of people who live thousands of miles away from us.
Have faith my friend, in this country we have created an idea of being that sucks people in, destroys their identity and turns them in to us, we've done it for thousands of years and the fact that the skin colour is changing is irrelevant to the way we do things.
Britain is the borg, we are proud of America but if you have complaints please phone our call centre in India. We will try harder next time.
PS, to the mods and other posters: Please don't lock this thread, sure it's a little bit political but there's been no major mud slinging and if we can keep to the idea of a civilized debate I'd love to have Yiffi and others challenge my view because these are important issues.
EDit: will post with this toon from now on -> this is yani dumyat who is scunner funk who is lost marble. Feckin Alts
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.04.29 23:46:00 -
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Confirming scunner is me - wasn't going to resub my main till I had time to play the game. Damn you all. Sig_______
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Wuff Wuff
The Oliver Postgate Appreciation Club
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Posted - 2010.04.30 02:21:00 -
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Interesting. I work in London, have lived there before and plan to go back. I have Indian friends at the coffee shop, until recently I was working for a Portuguese company, my best friend is Chinese, my business partner is British, his girlfriend is Hungarian, a client of mine is Norwegian and for a while I was in love with a Thai girl. I fracking love the multiculturalism in London and really don't get the people that don't for the sake of it.
I really don't want people coming here creaming off the state any more than anyone, particularly because there's an exponentially increasing throng of British people whose sole aim seems to be to perfect that to an artform. But all these people complaining about the inevitable homogenizing of the British population, lolwut? Good people are good people, get over yourself.
Thanks for the link to the Clegg article. At the moment I'm going Green but Liberal's are sounding more interesting than the tw*tbag Labour/Tory interchangeable idiots with each passing day.
- (British born and raised) Wuffles
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Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.04.30 05:44:00 -
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People seem to think that the world is a lovely place full of love and human kindness and compassion, with religion dying out and enlightened desire to co-exist of importance to everyone. Those people are often the ones that have not travelled widely, and have been brought up in gentle middle-class suburbia, who hold blind hope above reality.
The truth is there are only fragile pockets of civilisation in a rabid jungle of hate, intolerance and savagery.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.04.30 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Florio People seem to think that the world is a lovely place full of love and human kindness and compassion, with religion dying out and enlightened desire to co-exist of importance to everyone. Those people are often the ones that have not traveled widely, and have been brought up in gentle middle-class suburbia, who hold blind hope above reality.
The truth is there are only fragile pockets of civilization in a rabid jungle of hate, intolerance and savagery.
Yep. That about sums it up.
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