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Shendoaa	Posted - 2010.04.29 15:52:00 - [1] Decided to add a 2nd account so I can mine directly to an orca. I do mining and have trained mining/slavager/orca almost all the way on my first account. The question is, would it be quicker to just train the 2nd account to orca or to train it to miner/salvager?
J Hershey	Posted - 2010.04.29 15:54:00 - [2] Why not just use EVEMON?
Kallieah The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.29 15:58:00 - [3] Though more than one account is good because it helps CCP pay bills, I don't recommend it because you'll have to overlap some skills no matter what you do which is a lot less efficient than just being patient and doing it as much as you can on a single account. You save time not having to get a second set of skillbooks and ships plus you need not worry about two training queues all the time.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.04.29 16:10:00 - [4] hi cat here some clever mathematicians worked out that for orca to make benefit there must be 3 hulks at least so mayb just do mining if thats what u like doin lol x My Facebook! \| Safety Dance
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.29 16:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Kallieah Though more than one account is good because it helps CCP pay bills, I don't recommend it because you'll have to overlap some skills no matter what you do which is a lot less efficient than just being patient and doing it as much as you can on a single account. You save time not having to get a second set of skillbooks and ships plus you need not worry about two training queues all the time. Load of balls from one of the worst trolls on the forums right now. If you see anyone from Elysium Alliance posting just ignore them. 2 accounts really extends your abilities in game. While mining is always going to be one of the worst ways to make any ISK in game, having 2 characters definitely helps. Since you already have one character trained for an Orca, do you think there is any use in having a second character orca capable? Chances are you would be better off making a maxed Hulk pilot then branching them into industry or hauling... depending on where you now take your main. There's also the possibility you may want to get into mission running or pvp in the future. Nothing wrong in taking a competent miner and moving over to combat skills. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.04.29 16:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Kallieah Though more than one account is good because it helps CCP pay bills, I don't recommend it because you'll have to overlap some skills no matter what you do which is a lot less efficient than just being patient and doing it as much as you can on a single account. You save time not having to get a second set of skillbooks and ships plus you need not worry about two training queues all the time. Load of balls from one of the worst trolls on the forums right now. If you see anyone from Elysium Alliance posting just ignore them. 2 accounts really extends your abilities in game. While mining is always going to be one of the worst ways to make any ISK in game, having 2 characters definitely helps. Since you already have one character trained for an Orca, do you think there is any use in having a second character orca capable? Chances are you would be better off making a maxed Hulk pilot then branching them into industry or hauling... depending on where you now take your main. There's also the possibility you may want to get into mission running or pvp in the future. Nothing wrong in taking a competent miner and moving over to combat skills. The poster you quoted makes a valid point. You will have overlapping skills, hence wasted time. It's not that having two accounts doesn't extend one's abilities. It does. However, you would be most effective in a team of other players. With an Orca and appropriate gang mods/skills the OP could easily increase his productivity without having to have a second account by finding a group of like minded individuals. And since the OP would be the orca pilot, he could easily skim a little off the top of the ore pile further increasing his productivity.
Kallieah The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.29 16:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Kallieah on 29/04/2010 16:54:09 Originally by: Lady Spank Load of balls from one of the worst trolls on the forums right now. If you see anyone from Elysium Alliance posting just ignore them. 2 accounts really extends your abilities in game. While mining is always going to be one of the worst ways to make any ISK in game, having 2 characters definitely helps. Since you already have one character trained for an Orca, do you think there is any use in having a second character orca capable? Chances are you would be better off making a maxed Hulk pilot then branching them into industry or hauling... depending on where you now take your main. There's also the possibility you may want to get into mission running or pvp in the future. Nothing wrong in taking a competent miner and moving over to combat skills. Hey, what'd I ever do to you? Let me go point by point here and clear up any confusion: -A second account does pay CCPs bills because it generates real life ISK for them. - A second account is inefficient because you'll overlap skill. Think ship command, for example as an obvious one or learning skills. -A secound account does probably need a whole set of dedicated gear. -A second account will mean a second skill queue to maintain. I'm advocating an alternate perspective not trolling. All of my points are facts, not opinions. Please don't assume that everyone with such-and-such alliance under their name is out to get you. Read the post for content and try to keep your personal feelings from colouring your presentation of advice. Edit: Typos and I hate smartphones
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.29 16:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Kallieah Originally by: Lady Spank Load of balls from one of the worst trolls on the forums right now. If you see anyone from Elysium Alliance posting just ignore them. 2 accounts really extends your abilities in game. While mining is always going to be one of the worst ways to make any ISK in game, having 2 characters definitely helps. Since you already have one character trained for an Orca, do you think there is any use in having a second character orca capable? Chances are you would be better off making a maxed Hulk pilot then branching them into industry or hauling... depending on where you now take your main. There's also the possibility you may want to get into mission running or pvp in the future. Nothing wrong in taking a competent miner and moving over to combat skills. Hey, what'd I ever do to you? Let me go point by point here and clear up any confusion: -A second account does pay CCPs bills because it generates real life ISK for them. - A second account is inefficient because you'll overlap skill. Think ship command, for example as an obvious one or learning skills. -A secound account does probably need a whole set of dedicated gear. -A second account will mean a second skill queue to maintain. I'm advocating an alternate perspective not trolling. All of my points are facts, not opinions. Please don't assume that everyone with such-and-such alliance under their name is out to get you. Read the post for content and try to keep you personal feelings for colouring you presentation of advice. Your advise is off so you're either trolling or you're really not that smart. OP would do well keeping to Spank's explanation. And yes, every time I see your alliance name I'm already expecting bullcrap posts. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Swiftgaze Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Swiftgaze on 29/04/2010 17:33:43 Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Kallieah Though more than one account is good because it helps CCP pay bills, I don't recommend it because you'll have to overlap some skills no matter what you do which is a lot less efficient than just being patient and doing it as much as you can on a single account. You save time not having to get a second set of skillbooks and ships plus you need not worry about two training queues all the time. Load of balls from one of the worst trolls on the forums right now. If you see anyone from Elysium Alliance posting just ignore them. Actually he's quite right, I have two accounts and it's a torture for exactly the reasons Kall stated. I'd merge my accounts immediately if it didn't require a credit card. By the time my second account was ready for what I wanted to do, I had already lost my interest in those activities as well. Originally by: Marko Riva And yes, every time I see your alliance name I'm already expecting bullcrap posts. Oh and, bite me. :) I'm trying to remember who you are. I think you're one of Akita T's dolls, aren't you? That will surely grant you pro-status on any forum. VOTE CAT ELYSIUM VOTES CAT
Shendoaa	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:49:00 - [10] Wow, nice way to start a fight. I should of mentioned more. I am solo, not with corp. And I like the idea of mining and dumping everything into the orca. It saves many trips going back and forth. I think it's worth it, but just wanted to know which would be quicker.

Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.04.29 17:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia on 29/04/2010 17:51:01 Originally by: Kallieah Though more than one account is good because it helps CCP pay bills, I don't recommend it because you'll have to overlap some skills no matter what you do which is a lot less efficient than just being patient and doing it as much as you can on a single account. You save time not having to get a second set of skillbooks and ships plus you need not worry about two training queues all the time. This is not always the case. It really depends on the types of characters. I have 2 toons. One is my general play toon which I use all the time. This toon is mostly a mission runner/explorer. This one is slowly working towards PvP and in general better fitting skills. My other toon is purely industrial. He sits at a POS and runs BPO research and manufacturing. He's working towards Iteron Mark V, then jump ship in addition to his manufacturing and research skills. These characters overlap very little. I believe both have the same learning skills. They may also have similar starting skills, and perhaps some common skills you would expect on all characters such as jury rigging to level 3. However, the vast majority of skills are not related or overlap. My missioner has no need of production effiency to 5, no need of mass production or a host of other research and manufacturing related skills. Plus, I have both characters working towards different ship classes. The Mission.PvP is a Caldari/Min pilot. The industrial is gallante. So yes, some skills may overlap, however, it is possible that the two can be vastly different and of use to you too. Edited to add: Also, a new toon lets you train up that first 1.6 mil skill points very quickly, which can be a big help.
Exploding Tukey	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Exploding Tukey on 29/04/2010 19:25:05 One hulk can mine, lets say for this example 100% of hulk mining load. put on an orca and the hulk mines 120% of it's max after bonuses. a second hulk would mine another 100% of hulk load, bringing you to 200% mining load. read up on Jet-Can mining. your alt (or main) can have a orca in hanger to come back and pick up the minerals you jettison making your mining on two accounts almost twice as fast as you can mine alone or with a second orca. Yes, skills overlap, one toon can fly a spaceship, and another toon can.... wait for it.... FLY A SPACESHIP! and if you have 2 toons, you can fly TWO SPACESHIPS! AT ONCE ZOMG! </sarcasm>

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.04.29 19:33:00 - [13] Rush Hour 2. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'



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