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Michael McDonald
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Posted - 2010.04.29 16:37:00 -
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So I started the game Caldari Specked and have quite a bit of skill points in missiles. Many patches ago, pre missile/speed changes, I sometimes flew a Torp Raven. The damage you could dish out with a Torp platform almost made it worth it to be in a slow lumbering BS. Since then I have branched out and I able to fly Geddons and Phoons. But every once in a while I feel like flying a Torp ship. It seems to me, for most situations, the Phoon makes more sense as it fits better into armor based fleets.
So for those of you that fly the Phoon: Are there many who focus on Torp fit Phoon for PVP and for what type of situations are you rolling it out of the hanger? What have you found to work best in your Utilities? And do you bother bringing it for RR BS very often? It doesnĘt have the longest range in purely a Torp configuration, but hey.. Some might still use it.
Or have you been one to stick with your Torp Raven for PVP and make it work? I donĘt really mean make it work by throwing some armor plates on instead of BCUs. I mean have you figured out a way for get around being the odd ball and have some shield support or something of the like where you are not trying to fit against the ships strength?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 29/04/2010 16:59:38
I really like the Raven because it has better damage and damage projection. I really like the Phoon because you can reasonably armor tank, it has more versatility, and it has a smaller sig radius. Which one I'd take would depend entirely on what I was doing. IMO, neither one is better than the other... merely different.
-Liang
Ed: I can and do fly both, btw, and I prefer the Raven for two reasons:
- It's consistently underestimated. It's a real surprise to get nailed by a 1500+ DPS Raven.
- 1500 DPS at 30km...
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Kenpotchi
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Posted - 2010.04.29 17:09:00 -
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I love the Phoon for station games in high sec war decks.
[Typhoon, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5
1019 DPS
112,655 EHP
Lock them down and pound them.
Good times with this ship
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2010.04.29 17:24:00 -
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I came from the same beginnings as you and moved into a torp Phoon just recently. If I gank fit (3 guns too) I can get 1200 DPS from the T1 BS. It can fly 5 heavies , and the 4 mids are just right for PvP mods. I can fit 2 RR or 2 Neuts as well for different situations . Bottom can be weapons upgrades or plates and tank.
What we have noticed in fleet fights is : Ravens get primaried first , a LOT .Because when in doubt , its not a BAD decision. So for me , If I'm FC , Raven is a bad ship to sit in.
Torp Raven is an awsome DPS platform . I'll take all I can get , in fleet , any time. It can be plated up and accept reps just like any other armor ship . Insurance makes it a very minimal loss .
Ima post a link to show a recent fight . Notice the Raven losses , and see why my thinking is the way it is.
http://raven.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1369481
If you get the urge i'll send you a fit or 2 ingame . GL.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Ninja Ratter Elite
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Posted - 2010.04.29 18:33:00 -
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If you really need a MWD
[Typhoon, New Setup 3]
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
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Ping Bong
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:29:00 -
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You pretty much have to treat raven as a mobile missile turret, the only viable way of moving it in battle is by warping and thanks to its range thats ok. Another thing to keep in mind is that torps suck balls vs anything smaller then a BC, you can make it good again by fitting webs and painters but having only 6 meds means no tank to speak of. In any case both torps and shield tank are elements that require heavy fleet compatibility to make them shine, fitting alternative stuff like neuts/plates is an option ofc but there are better ships for that.
as for the phoon idk, havent got much experience flying it
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Ping Bong
You pretty much have to treat raven as a mobile missile turret, the only viable way of moving it in battle is by warping and thanks to its range thats ok. Another thing to keep in mind is that torps suck balls vs anything smaller then a BC, you can make it good again by fitting webs and painters but having only 6 meds means no tank to speak of. In any case both torps and shield tank are elements that require heavy fleet compatibility to make them shine, fitting alternative stuff like neuts/plates is an option ofc but there are better ships for that.
as for the phoon idk, havent got much experience flying it
No offense, but it sounds like you don't have a lot of experience flying the Raven either.
-Liang
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Ping Bong
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:45:00 -
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anything constructive to add?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ping Bong
anything constructive to add?
I'm not sure why you would claim a Raven is basically immobile. A Raven with a MWD is more mobile than almost all armor tanked battleships... and if you factor in painter+web, the Raven is hardly ineffective vs cruisers. Hell - I instapopped an omen with a torp Raven.
-Liang
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 29/04/2010 20:53:50
I love the Raven for all those bears that wanna play station games because with such a high alpha they are given as little chance as possible to wait on the timers when they have their little OSHT moment and realize they're being melted alive, but I wouldn't take it beyond a low sec gate unless I were in a decent blob, cuz in small gangs on gates and esp. out in 0.0 it's a tough sale compared to the fleet performance you get from Amarr battleships especially.
I do not like trimarks on the Raven because you can't make good use of plates, cuz the moment you take BCUs off it loses its advantage IMO, and since trimarks are percentage based, I'd rather just pulse a booster and have a bit extra buffer from extenders than slap trimarks on there and let myself go into armor quicker. Plus when they see your shields buffer and pulse, they sometimes assume you're the bait, until you fire on them. Had one guy fire on me and see the shield buffer, and just give up and dock, rofl.
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Ping Bong
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ping Bong
anything constructive to add?
I'm not sure why you would claim a Raven is basically immobile. A Raven with a MWD is more mobile than almost all armor tanked battleships... and if you factor in painter+web, the Raven is hardly ineffective vs cruisers. Hell - I instapopped an omen with a torp Raven.
-Liang
the 800something m/s it gets with mwd is pretty much on par with plated BS's which you can use to keep in range of other BS but its not like ur gonna fly to your target if hes 50+km away (you'll get there faster with the help of gang tackler) not to mention chase anything down if hes moving in the other direction. Also yea torps do some damage to cruisers IF you factor in painter+web but that figure doesent exist in a vacuum and under the same circumstances turrets almost always outdamage missiles on suboptimal sig targets
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ping Bong
...with the help of gang tackler...
...doesent exist in a vacuum...
I see what you did there...
Parrots, commence!
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