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Taharqua10	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:02:00 - [1] Can anybody tell me if a Chimera in a Class 3 Pulsar Wormhole will be able to tank the sleepers in the sites? I understand that warping a carrier into any of these sites will spawn an additional 6 battleship sleepers which could be bad for ones health. Would the carrier need additional rep or would the current shields at 240K at 80% omni tank hold with a local cap shield booster? I'm trying to establish if the tank on the Chimera will hold with just tec2 modules or whether the two obligatory invulnerability fields should be replaced with Caldari Navy or similar faction modules. I can't test this on the test server with the intended character as I'm a new Chimera pilot & my skills have not yet mirrored. Any answers to these questions or tips would be gratefully received. It would be good to know how much damage a sleeper battleship inflicts on a carrier. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:18:00 - [2] The bonus spawns are only in c5/c6 apparently.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.04 18:39:00 - [3] Edited by: BeanBagKing on 04/05/2010 18:42:15 Originally by: Mashie Saldana The bonus spawns are only in c5/c6 apparently. According to Eve Wiki - Sleeper Sites under "ALL SITES IN WSPACE"... 3. Bringing a capital ship (Carrier or Dreadnought) to a combat site in a Wspace will spawn 6 additional battleships PER CAPITAL SHIP! This seems to say to me that bringing a carrier into any site (minus the ones specifically exempt farther down the page) in any class w-space will spawn the extra battleships. I've yet to have the opportunity to test this myself, so I'm not saying this is correct, but I think that page either needs to be edited to indicate that this does only apply to c5/c6, or perhaps the title edited to say "ALL SITES IN ALL WSPACE". In any case, if it does not spawn the additional 6 BS's, then you are more than fine. If it does spawn the additional 6, I would say it would depend on your skills. A lot of the firepower on a carrier comes from drones/fighters, and sleepers eat those alive. If you are soloing it with low skills, you may die. If you are with a group, or have higher skills, then you should be fine. As I'm sure you are aware, be prepared to be tackled by the rats, fit for omni resists, and remote rep with a gang, and remember sentry drones can be recalled instantly, making them your best drone bet against sleepers. Edited for eveboards horrible formatting...
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.05.04 19:22:00 - [4] i suppose its simple, have a group, carrier triage then heal ur buddies. dont waste drones cause they get pwncaked -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
Klyria Minmatar Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.04 19:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Mashie Saldana The bonus spawns are only in c5/c6 apparently. Quoting for truth, the only escaltion that will occur in sleeper sites is with sites in c5/c6s. That being said I know more then a couple people who still keep carries in their lower class systems. Having a triage can easily solo tank a c4, so I would assume a Chimera in a c3 pulsar would have no issue. Also, having a RR carrier lets you free up the rest of the fleet to go into buffer/dps fits, it also allows for good defensive position. Though if you leave the system don't expect to get the carrier out. Also, that wiki page needs to be updated as it isn't accurate in a lot of areas.......
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.04 21:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Klyria Originally by: Mashie Saldana The bonus spawns are only in c5/c6 apparently. Quoting for truth, the only escaltion that will occur in sleeper sites is with sites in c5/c6s. That being said I know more then a couple people who still keep carries in their lower class systems. Having a triage can easily solo tank a c4, so I would assume a Chimera in a c3 pulsar would have no issue. Also, having a RR carrier lets you free up the rest of the fleet to go into buffer/dps fits, it also allows for good defensive position. Though if you leave the system don't expect to get the carrier out. Also, that wiki page needs to be updated as it isn't accurate in a lot of areas....... Care to update it Klyria, or at least as much as you can? I've been in some lower class ones to earn some quick isk, but I'm not a WH pro, so when trying to answer questions like these I refer to pages like that a lot. Any quick updates you could do would be a big help.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:23:00 - [7] why would you need a Chimera for C3s? - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Tibalt Avalon Suck my Titan	Posted - 2010.05.04 22:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Rawr Cristina why would you need a Chimera for C3s? ^^ Is right, A T3 can Solo a C3... with the Right Skills ofcourse Hardstyle Ambassador
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Tibalt Avalon Originally by: Rawr Cristina why would you need a Chimera for C3s? ^^ Is right, A T3 can Solo a C3... with the Right Skills ofcourse i do C3s with 2 drakes fit with a buffer tank, 1 TP, 3 BCS and scourge fury missiles everything is dead before the tanks break - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.05.05 00:57:00 - [10] I eagerly await any C3 anomaly / Chimera antics that may result from this.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.05 02:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Rawr Cristina why would you need a Chimera for C3s? ^^ rule #48, overkill works
Thatkidnamedrocky Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.05 02:23:00 - [12] pretty sure u can do a c3 with a drake
Klyria Minmatar Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.05 06:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Rawr Cristina why would you need a Chimera for C3s? There is no need to bring a cap, but it speeds up the process vastly. I've also heard of people in c2s and c3s assign fighters to a Zephyr, warping the Zephyr to the site, and just watching as the fighters rip things to shreds. The other bonus is if anyone comes after your POS a carrier can vastly boost your defensive capabilities. Originally by: BeanBagKing Care to update it Klyria, or at least as much as you can? I've been in some lower class ones to earn some quick isk, but I'm not a WH pro, so when trying to answer questions like these I refer to pages like that a lot. Any quick updates you could do would be a big help. Yeah I might, mostly it just needs to be condensed and have the glaring errors changed. Though I will say the wiki's links for system effects I still use to this day, though eve-maps.dotlan also now links system effects when you look up the locus sig.
FlameGlow Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 06:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky pretty sure u can do a c3 with a drake QFT, takes decent skill and not very efficient but definitely doable Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
Tish Magev Blind Violence	Posted - 2010.05.05 07:52:00 - [15] I used to solo Class 3s in a Drake so why you'd need to risk sticking a carrier in site so it can tackled, probed and popped I've no idea. If you're intent on using a carrier then at least go for a class 4 or 5. Yes there may be 6 extra battleship spawned but seriously if a 25mil drake can tank the normal spawns (which usually consists of at least 3 BS) then I'd be inclined to believe a carrier is hardly going to struggle.
Taharqua10	Posted - 2010.05.05 10:14:00 - [16] Thanks for all the responses. We tested the Chimera in the C3 last night and it spawned no additional sleepers & the fighters ripping everything to shreads with the Drakes & support fleet taking out the scrammers. It was infinetly easier to kill the battleship sleepers & they did very little damage to the fighters. The sleepers got totally pawned within minutes. EXploring the comments about the risk of a carrier in a c3. Since you can't get a carrier into a C3 as far as I know we built our own & indeed could build comfortably build 2 a week without breaking a sweat. A chimera costs very little now even with 15 fighters on board & 150 mixed drones of all types. The risk is no greater & indeed cheaper than getting your T3 tackled & popped. On a pure ISK basis every T3 loss would cost me over twice the carrier cost if moderately faction fitted. Don't mistake the "why would you use a carrier in a C3" vs "We are stupid for using a carrier in a C3". Carriers give us the ability to remote rep the smaller ships, provide unsurpassed tank & firepower. We never fly them alone, we always have a fleet including ECM & we have the ability to call in cap reinforcements. A better question is "Why not use them" if you can field them & have the support to get you out of the mire if you land in it. If we can finish the sites faster within minutes & get all the salvage in the POS then that has got to be worth the "risk" of fielding a cap vs the risk of getting your fleet of T3 ships & support popped because it takes you much longer to finish the site. We are using the C3 as a training ground for when we move up a class & I'm quite happy to leave the caps behind or blow them up as we progress. It's only internet pixels & fictious money at stake but its a whole different C3 when you have multiple caps on the field.
Anthal The Warp Squad	Posted - 2010.05.05 12:39:00 - [17] Here is why not to use them in a C3: -You can't get them out -You don't make an extra 120/160m per capital wave -You can't insure them -They WILL die. Not from rats, but from players. Suddenly your POS becomes a huge target, fighters/RR or not. -If it's not faction/officer fit, you're doing it wrong, so the loss SHOULD be more than a T3 -If you can field multiple in a C3, you can handle a C5/C6. See point 2.
SoC Darkord Minmatar Silentium Mortalitas Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Anthal Here is why not to use them in a C3: -You can't get them out -You don't make an extra 120/160m per capital wave -You can't insure them -They WILL die. Not from rats, but from players. Suddenly your POS becomes a huge target, fighters/RR or not. -If it's not faction/officer fit, you're doing it wrong, so the loss SHOULD be more than a T3 -If you can field multiple in a C3, you can handle a C5/C6. See point 2. for the most part, i agree. the only bit you have wrong here, is the not getting them out bit. i've stolen capitals from production pos's (with varius alts) from c1 to c6. you just have to know how to do it :)
Krimishkev Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2010.05.05 15:54:00 - [19] You can solo class 3 anomalies/radars/mags with a Tech II fitted Claymore. With all sites be sure to trigger spawns correctly. Carrier in a class 3? Can you actually get it in? If you do, can you get it out?? What's the point. Class 3 isn't profitable enough IMHO to "live" there. 30-40mil per anomaly, a little more possible on the radar/mag sites. Most is comes from the salvage. So it's best take a salvage boat in first, dump at a safe spot, then come in and **** it with your command ship. Dump the command ship in a safe spot, salvage to a medium/small secure container. Do as many as you can till your numb. Take command ship back to high sec. Return for salvage and can and done. This approach only recommended in unpopulated wormholes. Me Personally, this the fit I use, never been caught, and have made plenty of isk. [Claymore, Wormholes] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dark Blood Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu Salvager II Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 Use cheap tech 1 ammo for the frigs, and cruisers. Use the faction ammo to kill the BS qicker. I can do 50mil and hour. Not as nice as say Sov 0.0 sanctums, but well worth it for low-sec exploration.
Anthal The Warp Squad	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:01:00 - [20] The only outbound C3 wormhole that I don't have documented, for whatever reason, is a C3 to C5 wormhole (C5 to C3 is an M267, 1b max, 300m jumpable). The C3->C3 is a N968 (2b max, 300m jumpable), the C3->C4 is a T405 (2b max, 300m jumpable), and the C3->C6 is an A982 (3b max, 300m jumpable). The standard U210 and K346 aren't capital sized, either. Neither is the C4->C3 C247. There is a chance that I just haven't seen or documented a C3 capital sized wormhole yet, but I think it's unlikely. It may be possible that the C3 doesn't have one that size. If you can get me an exact wormhole type, I'd appreciate it :)
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:06:00 - [21] All I can say is don't try it with the extra BS spawns. On the day Wormholes came out (before people knew about classes, etc.) I took a Thanatos with 4 BS and a Guardian into what was probably a Class 5 or 6. The BS's went in alone and couldn't tank the initial spawn... so .. in went the Carrier. 6 more BS spawned. All our BS were dead in seconds. I was scrammed by 5 Sleepers and it didn't look good. I began spamming drones 13 at a time, trying to kill the scrambling ships, but they were killed almost as fast as I could deploy them. I managed to kill all of ONE frigate, when I noticed that the scramming ships had stopped being on me and were after drones. Managed to warp out and left the system. If you're gonna do it, be sure to fill up with T1 drones. Running out of drones before they deagro you is a definate possibility.
Anthal The Warp Squad	Posted - 2010.05.05 16:53:00 - [22] Don't let one or two people's failure discourage anyone. While the previous poster had difficulty running a Class 5/6 site on launch day with the capital escalation, there is plenty of information and resources available to do this effectively. There are dozens of corps living in C5/C6 wormholes that run up to 4 escalations on their sites. We've got it down to a science, and can actually complete the site and all 4 escalations in around half an hour. That's over 1.2 billion ISK made (before we split it) for 30 minutes of work.
Taharqua10	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Taharqua10 on 05/05/2010 17:21:24 Originally by: Anthal Here is why not to use them in a C3: -You can't get them out We Don't care. -You don't make an extra 120/160m per capital wave We dont need the ISK -You can't insure them We dont want to insure them -They WILL die. Not from rats, but from players. Suddenly your POS becomes a huge target, fighters/RR or not. Some of the attackers will die with us -If it's not faction/officer fit, you're doing it wrong, so the loss SHOULD be more than a T3 Since were going to die why increase the loss to line somebodies elses pocket? -If you can field multiple in a C3, you can handle a C5/C6. See point 2. We don't want too- we don't have too. What is nice about Eve is that it allows us to do things our way & we can take the best bits of the advice & throw away the garbage
Taharqua10	Posted - 2010.05.05 17:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Rawr Cristina why would you need a Chimera for C3s? We don't need a Chimera for a C3 but it's a lot of fun. I can do a C3 alone in my Tengu but the carrier makes it a lot of fun. What you "need" & what you can "use" are 2 sides of the same coin.

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