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WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:31:00 - [1] I have recently begun doing sansha missions in stain in an "unprobeable" loki. Now Im somewhat new to this, but according to EFT I'd be unprobeable. I forget what exactly it told me, but my sensor strength was slightly lower, at 103, and my sig was 104. I figured, no biggie, Id be 100% fine once I got electronics subs to 4. I just finished training that and now my sensor strength is 114. Im good right? WRONG...my sig radius (at least according to my ingame attributes when I right click rose to 115. WTF? Did CCP stealth nerf this and make it so sig radius rises with sensor strength? I have a full set of LG Jackals too...(at least 1-5) When I overload my ECCM, my sensor strength rises higher than sig radius, so I know its not something that is effected by space. Has anyone experienced anything similar to this??? TL;DR - Sig radius seems to be rising with sensor strength, at least in attributes menu, did CCP stealth nerf unprobeable ships? -Wizwaz
Rahbek Rawrcake	Posted - 2010.05.05 21:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Rahbek Rawrcake on 05/05/2010 21:42:35 I think T3 ships and those Implants are (sometimes?) buggy and the bonus doesn't apply properly. if i remember correctly repackaging your ship would fix the problem eventually? I'm too lazy to dig up a thread on that but there had been plenty on that issues or a similar. Try Eve-Search /edit: wrong toon again -.- i hate this forum sometimes
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.05 22:04:00 - [3] repackaging ship is not an option as I have it t2 CCC rigged..... :P Could I petition this perhaps? According to EFT with my skills I should have no problem, and the thing is my sig radius USED to be 104, with sensor strength 103, Im saying that sig radius ROSE to be higher than my sensor strength when I finished training electronics subs to 4. The bonus looks to be applied properly, just my sig ROSE when I trained it, to be higher than my sensor strength. That is what leads me to believe it is a nerf. -Wizwaz
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.05.05 22:56:00 - [4] Try taking off the LSE?
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.05 23:01:00 - [5] the loki is armor tanked, only thing in mids are: cap battery, 2x ECCM, 1x AB. Rigs are 2x CCC II and 1x CCC I...no signature radius enhancing mods. -Wizwaz
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.05.06 05:57:00 - [6] 114/115 ... you will be unproable. 115/114 = 1,0087719298245614035087719298246 One wise guy said below 1.08 you will be unproable.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2010.05.06 06:25:00 - [7] Does one sub have a sig radius reduction bonus? Ship bonuses do not always apply properly. Used to happen a lot with covops scanners, where you'd only get a portion of the scan probe strenght you were supposed to get. That's not so common anymore. But T3 subs sometimes fail to give their bonus. I've turned it into a habit to check stats on my T3's every so often, and seen it a few times. Logging out for a few minutes usually fixes it. Also pirate imps, boosters and, well I wouldn't be surprised if any bonus giving object could be bugged from time to time.
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.06 18:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Qui Shon Does one sub have a sig radius reduction bonus? Ship bonuses do not always apply properly. Used to happen a lot with covops scanners, where you'd only get a portion of the scan probe strenght you were supposed to get. That's not so common anymore. But T3 subs sometimes fail to give their bonus. I've turned it into a habit to check stats on my T3's every so often, and seen it a few times. Logging out for a few minutes usually fixes it. Also pirate imps, boosters and, well I wouldn't be surprised if any bonus giving object could be bugged from time to time. This problem has existed for a day or so now. Logging out does not fix it, and yes, I am using the amplification node subsystem. The problem is when I FINISHED training electronics subs to 4, up from 3, my Sensor Strength went up as it should have, HOWEVER, my signature radius ALSO went up, to just 1 above my sensor strength. I find this remarkably suspicious.... :P -Wizwaz
13Child	Posted - 2010.05.06 18:56:00 - [9] I AGREE DAGNAMIT!!! it's redidulous - outrageous!
Dreed Roberts	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:24:00 - [10] just leave your ship and re-enter it in a station hanger. Had this happen to me a few once when I switched between two T3 in the one hanger. Solved it by going to pod, waiting out the session change timer and re-entering it.
K'racker Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:29:00 - [11] had similar problem on a different t3 ship sub; skills not being applied. repackaged the sub, and reinstalled it, and was ok.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:30:00 - [12] they still wont find you with those buggy stats you posted. so, go mission to your hearts content in that slow as hell unprobable loki. I'll be done with 2 missions while you're still trying to be "unprobable" in your first. insured bs ftw. "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."
Katellin	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:43:00 - [13] Are you using t2 launchers with fury missiles at all?
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac they still wont find you with those buggy stats you posted. so, go mission to your hearts content in that slow as hell unprobable loki. I'll be done with 2 missions while you're still trying to be "unprobable" in your first. insured bs ftw. You'll be done with two missions, then in your third you'll get scanned down and popped and podded back to empire. In the meantime I havent lost my ship and am happily missioning away pulling in ****tons of LP :) Im talking 0.0 here, not hisec fail. :P katellin, I am using 425s, no missile skills here 6x 425s 1x 10MN AB, 2x Ladar ECCM, 1x Large Cap Battery 2x MAR 2x EANM/rat specific 1x DCU II, 1x CPR II (or thereabouts, lows change) 2x CCCII 1x CCCI 5x Drones which are NEVER out...emergencies only (they can be scanned) Amplification Sub (reduced sig) Power Sub (moar PG and extra turret slot) Dissolution Sequencer (moar eccm) Fuel Catalyst (extra low, moar AB speed, MWDs light me up like a christmas tree :P) Scoping Array? (5 guns, falloff, RoF) I swap out Fuel cat and scoping array for Covops and Interdiction Null if I have to leave system for any reason, away from the safety of instaundocks etc etc :P Swap out one gun for covops, one low vanishes, and I usually throw on some istabs for good measure, since most missions that require me to leave system are hauling missions, not combat missions (theyre pretty rare) -Wizwaz PS- All my sub skills are at 4, additionally, I have 1-5 of a LG Jackal Set for moar eccm strength, plug that into EFT and tell me what I should be getting..then compare it to what I told u I AM getting....sig radius seems to be rising on its own, everything else works fine tho.
K'racker Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.08 19:13:00 - [15] sig at 117 would indicate the amplification node is only functioning at skill lvl 2. pull up your eft, look at it's sig radius stats, and compare to in game.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2010.05.08 21:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Contralto on 08/05/2010 21:54:55 I ran your set-up through EveHQ fitter. Including LG jackals 1 thro' V I get 103 sensor strength at Electronics sub lvl 2, this rises to 115 at lvl 3, Are you sure you have the skill at lvl 4?. Quite a coincidence that the 2 lvls match the figures that you stated. At lvl 4 you should have 127 Sensor strength. I'm presuming you are using the Conjunctive ladar Eccm's?. The Sig is 104m at Defensive sub lvl 4, 111m at lvl 3 and 117 at lvl 2 so if you are seeing 115m in game it isn't the sub bonus not showing, with no skill you will show 130m. Only other things I can think of are a Shield extender or Purger rig fitted by mistake. Don't suppose you lost a ship? that could drop you a skill level. And perhaps if your skill was completed during the database foobar yesterday it may not have registered somehow?
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:35:00 - [17] I think I may have sourced your problem! If you add an Istab II you will get a 115 Sig, You mentioned above that you fit one when moving between systems! check to see if it is still fitted.
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.09 00:49:00 - [18] I think you might be right....I do sometimes fit 2 istabs when I go between systems Also I am 100% positive I have the skills to lvl 4, only lost loki once, and it was returned by a GM, along with skillpoints (yulai cops are nuts) Unfortunately I cant check this because ever since the long DT and me JCing back to my loki..the damn dissolution sub is busted, only giving me 35 sensor strength, which for the life of me i cant figure out where thats coming from :P Know of any ways of fixing that without repackaging the entire ship? (t2 rigs r expensive) -Wizwaz PS- already tried clearing cache AND I nuked my settings.....
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2010.05.09 06:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Contralto on 09/05/2010 06:28:40 Replace the sub with another if you have one,then reinstall the stuck sub, you won't lose your rigs, Probably a good idea to relog before reassembly as well to make sure. Check the database problem hasn't nuked your sub skill.
WizWaz	Posted - 2010.05.09 18:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Contralto Edited by: Contralto on 09/05/2010 06:28:40 Replace the sub with another if you have one,then reinstall the stuck sub, you won't lose your rigs, Probably a good idea to relog before reassembly as well to make sure. Check the database problem hasn't nuked your sub skill. Already tried swapping out my fuel cat/interdiction subs, and my covert config/scoping array sub....neither one affects it, dont have an alternate electronics sub :( Put in petition and guy still hasnt responded...I might check on market and see if theres one available donw here. How would I check if the DB prob nuked my sub skill? I checked it and it shows as being lvl 4 in my char sheet...I dont know of any other way to check it. TYVM for ur help so far :) -Wizwaz
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2010.05.09 18:42:00 - [21] If you are seeing the sub skill at lvl 4 the only way to check is replacing the Sub and see if the bonus for the replacement is accurate. Probably hard to find a Loki sub where you are but I think that is your only option atm. Good luck

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