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Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.11 18:32:00 - [1] No thanks, I have just started working on it. Btw. this tells me that the Sleepers did not download themselves into their drones. In fact, none of these items give any indication to support that idea. On the contrary, somebody (who?) have put limitation on what level on consciousness the AI can achieve which would be highly strange if you were planning to use it as a storage device for human minds. Oh, and the Quarantine Zone contains Talocan structures, not Sleeper. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.12 09:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Razor Blue Jump Drive Control Nexus Resonance Calibration Matrix These 2 items indicates that Sleeper drones have very efficient methods of travelling, jump drive. Oddly, their only purpose seems to be to guard the sites found in wspace. Someone correct me if im wrong but there doesnt seem to be any manufacturing facilities to build sleeper drone hulls in the wspace? And since the drones have jump drives, im going to assume that the drones were build elsewhere and then moved to wspace. Which leads into conclusion that Sleeper drones were not original/first habitants in the wspace. I think it was theorized somewhere in this threadnaught that Sleeper drones were build by Jove. Apparently Talocans were the first ones in the wspace and the Jove/Sleeper moved in after them. Or Talocans evolved into Jove? Anyways, Sleepers are tasked to guard something... Is it a prison or treasure they are watching? Thanks for bringing these items up which I have been speculating in recently. First, I think I have puzzle piece more: The Sleepers build their drones out of scavenged Talocan technology and perhaps materials from the fullerine gas clouds. THAT is why you see so few Talocan vessels around and for those you do find: Originally by: Derelict Talocan Vessel It looks like this ship was gutted, then left to drift. This also explains why you find Sleeper ship hulls inside the derelict Talocan vessels and why everything fits together when making tech 3 ships. They are from the same source. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:16:00 - [3] One thing that payed notice to during the SOE epic arc, is the mission where the Sleeper drone jumps through spatial rifts to escape. Now that is quite a skill to have. From the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator, the Resonance Calibration Matrix and the Jump Drive Control Nexus the drones seems to be fully equipped for interstellar travel. Further, these items indicate strongly that the primary function of the drones are not warfare but something to do with scouting and interstellar cartography. Here is a some of my current thoughts: The Sleepers digitalized themselves to escape a viral attack. Not downloading themselves into the drones, but into their structures. They build the drones to go and get help. They needed to open wormholes to have help arrive. The Talocans knew that Isogen-5 had this property and the Sleepers acquired this knowledge from them. The Sleeper drones managed to reach known- space and influenced/controlled the rogue drones to start collecting Isogen-5. Isogen-5 blows up and wormholes appear everywhere. Now, who where the Sleepers expecting to get help from? Themselves, the Jovians, us? Well, maybe not capsuleers as the Sleepers had no knowledge of capsuleers when they devised the plan. Another puzzling thought, while the Sleeper drones primary purpose seem to be scouting they are quite hostile and pretty well at defending the Sleeper sites. Why should the Sleepers prevent people from rescuing them when that was the plan? Maybe because they only trust certain kind of people... the Zephyr is not attacked by Sleeper drones. Another odd end: Originally by: Jump Drive Control Nexus Barely salvageable from the wreck of a Sleeper drone, this device could have been something much more impressive when it was fully functional. In its current state it is almost unrecognizable, having been scratched, burned and even chemically melted. It looks like it was housed next to the drone's power core, which would explain the extreme heat damage it suffered when the drone exploded. Stranger yet, it almost seems as if it was lined with some kind of triggered-release corrosive. The self-destruct mechanism û if thatÆs even what it was û only caused so much damage, and the acid didn't burn cleanly through the center of the drive. Even as a shadow of its former self, it can be combined with other components to form a fully functional warp drive. Being capable of this, even in such a bad state, strongly suggests that the device was capable of other types of more advanced interstellar travel. Why a Sleeper drone was equipped with this level of technology remains a mystery. With all this advanced technology, somebody makes a faulty self-destruct mechanism on the most important component in the Sleeper drone. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.15 22:04:00 - [4] Originally by: khazak mokl Can you do a linky to jowens pdf? cheers m8 It's not so far away. Jowen went to whiskey space ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.16 21:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 16/07/2010 21:06:31 Nice bluff Niki, nice bluff. We can all claim we have "figured it out", but it takes solid sources and clear documentation before anybody will recognize that we are right. WE AS A GROUP need to figure out the mystery and let the information become public before the CCP Storyline Team will take any action. Pretty boring mystery to solve if the Mystery Maker just hands you the solution in the end. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.16 21:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 16/07/2010 21:35:54 Here is something that is pure speculation on my part: I think the Jove has become incredible weak and are far from the superior beings they used to be. Capsuleers are taking their spot and the Jove are too few to do anything about it. They still try to use/abuse and manipulate us but we are the gods now. Sure Jove technology is still powerful but there are nobody around to use it and maybe they are even forgetting themselves how to operate it or losing the few that knew. I am thinking this way because it has been the Storyline Teams focus for some time now to really emphasize that capsuleers really are the ultimate beings in New Eden and only ourselves can stop us. Further, making the Jove weak would make it possible to open up for more interaction with the Jove (open Jove space) without messing with the balance of power in the game. If this has any connection with the Sleeper mystery is still unknown. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:04:00 - [7] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 17/07/2010 09:05:01 I have stated this somewhere else but I can do it again: It is my belief the Sleepers made their drones out of salvaged Talocan ships. Reason: There are very few Talocan ships to be found in w-space and those you do found have had all their interior removed and left to float. Originally by: Derelict Talocan Ship It looks like this ship was gutted, then left to drift. Inside the Talocan ships you find Sleeper Hull Sections that can reversed engineered and constructed into tech 3 ship hulls using Sleeper drone components. The reason why the Sleepers are producing smaller and less powerful drones now than earlier is because they ran out of construction materials. It is not because the drones are growing in size with age. Perhaps they manged to tune the jump drives on the later generations of drones better, meaning they manged to get further and that is why we find smaller drones in the perimeter and frontier systems and few larger ones. I will also state again: I see little clues suggesting the Sleeper drones primary purpose is warfare. Instead they seem meant for interstellar scouting and cartography. Oh, and if you have another theory regarding the Sleeper drones, please come up with other reasonable explanations to why we find Sleeper hulls in Talocan ships and all the other issues I have listed. Thanks. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.18 09:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 18/07/2010 09:10:55 Originally by: Ealthor I know people are enjoying the hunt but really, after reading this thread, everyone's just stumbling around in the dark sticking words together and hoping that Dropbear decides that we just 'got the answer'. Like I have said previously; some people like to speculate and make up their own explanation and story based on personal preference while disregarding clues and supportive evidence. I have no hard feelings regarding that as it provide me with thoughts to play with. But it is very unlikely to provide a satisfying, well supported and meaningful explanation. EDIT: And an explanation the CCP Storyline Team will react upon. I assure you, that is not the way I operate. I take the investigator approach and to my surprise this mystery might not be as difficult to unravel as I initially assumed. Though, being true to the investigation, I will provide no conclusions at the current stage, only the clues I have found. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.18 11:51:00 - [9] Exactly, Auwnie, you need proof; proof that support your theory or proof that goes against it. Both are equally valuable. Good luck in your search. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.18 16:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Veryez I believe you need to look at the evidence as well as the lack of evidence to solve this puzzle. Things that are missing and/or out of place are just as telling as the things that are there. I cannot agree to that. Or we are back at saying that guessing an explanation is as valid as an explanation with well supported evidence and facts. Because anything can be labeled as missing, meaning any story goes. I will put my faith in finding an answer in the things that are there and can be verified. --- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook - W-space

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.18 19:11:00 - [11] Thanks for clarification and I agree on the points you are making. Regarding Isogen-5: I managed to find a "Strange Energy Readings" cosmic anomaly site today which I had suspected to provide a clue to that. I had spotted the warp in message from Pottsey to be: Originally by: Strange Energy Readings The radiation levels of this site are high but within tolerable limits. Wavelength readouts suggest a large cache of a powerful isotope was once housed here, but no solid traces remain. The level of radiant antimatter can only be explained by an immense--and recent--matter displacement. By the way, incoming hostiles. This is obviously a previously Isogen-5 storage site, because what else could it meaningfully be? And no before you ask, there is no shattered planet in the system. From a In Character point of view: The Isogen-5 storage depots does not necessarily have to have been wrecking as much damage in w-space as they did in k-space due to better placement and control from the Sleepers side. From an Out of Character view: It was likely decided not to limit this site to only certain systems as, from a game point of view, its primary goal is to provide Sleeper components and salvage and not to act like a rare mystery puzzle piece. Further, having shattered planets all over the place would have been bad for Planetary Interaction. Both the Sleepers, Talocans, Joves, properly also the Yan Jungs and others could have been behind those Isogen-5 storages, but the only one of those with "physical" evidence pointing towards them are the Sleepers, as it is their buildings we find at the before mentioned cosmic anomaly site. Further, it is blatantly obvious the Sleepers knew a thing or two about drone technology. --- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook - W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.20 11:25:00 - [12] Before you go on with your string theory, Ivvor, maybe you could fit it together with this: Originally by: The Mirror Oruze Enclave: Directory 1.0 Solar Engineering 1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering 1.2 Thermovoltaics 1.3 Residential 1.4 Residential Maybe 'Oruze' is more in this direction. Except there are no other supporting links which should have been there (the falcon, the eye). -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.20 19:16:00 - [13] I do not like to think all of this is linked to The Prophecy of Macaper but perhaps it is. At least it fits with some of my current thoughts. The Sleepers are the Joves "little brother". They have finally managed to create a way back home by opening the wormholes and it is sorrowful because they are "dead" due to a devastating viral outbreak which is also the cause why they are not wanted. Why do I think the Jove and Sleepers are close related? They share technological skills regarding drones. Firstly, there is this. Secondly, the Jove seems to have some hand in the creation of the rogue drones (see other threads for more on this topic). If nothing else, the Jove knew how to control the drones at the Isogen-5 gathering facility in our space. That could also strongly indicate the Jove was behind the gathering of Isogen-5 on our side while the Sleepers were gathering at theirs. They share architectural style: Originally by: Oruze Osobnyk The mysterious structure inside this deadspace pocket offers few clues as to the purpose it once served. Similar compounds -- albeit far less complex than this one -- have been reported, each featuring the same huddled architecture, evocative of the enigmatic Phantom cruiser. That is a Jove cruiser if you did not know. Oh, and there is this. Though the Sleepers were not ancestors but a splinter group that disappeared. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.20 19:30:00 - [14] Some very puzzling thoughts on rogue drones. I have tried not put too much thought into rogue drone as I have noticed other have done a lot already. Perhaps these people can also found clues in the material regarding rogue drones (perhaps the opening of the drone regions) on something that has been puzzling me: How old is the rogue drone phenomenon? The Sleeper structures and drones are millenia old and have likely been cut off from New Eden for pretty much all that time. The rogue drones were gathering Isogen-5 for an "ancient entity" (reference forgotten), but how long could they have been up for that task if they are only a few decades/centuries old themselves? -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.21 12:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 21/07/2010 12:15:22 Originally by: Vadimik Actually, if we ignore the obviously matching names, what are the connections between cosmos Sleeper & Talocan and w-space Sleeper & Talocan? Little to none. Further, Originally by: World on Fire The civilizations of New Eden would mourn for those who were lost, and then search in earnest for the reason why they died. But they would not look amongst the burnt cinders of shattered worlds. They would search for answers by passing through tears in the fabric of space, and venturing towards the unknown. Sure there are many mysterious things out there but not all of them are connected. Let us solve one once at a time. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 23/07/2010 14:36:05 Originally by: Auwnie Morohe Talocan Cactus Desert Heat 'Dyad' 'Glycerine' High Noon Heat 'Guise' 'Sheriff' 'Canyon' 'Gattotte' 'Trapper' Nugget Poacher Posse Prospector 'Wolf' Snake Eyes Whiskey Whoha, perhaps I should not have dismissed the COSMOS stuff as outdated; this naming scheme fits perfectly with my thought of the Talocan of being pioneers. Try reading their structure descriptions while thinking on the old "wild west" pioneers and I think you will get my point. There seem to be indication that the Talocan were "diggers" too. Properly not after gold, but what exactly is still unclear. Another question is, was it the search for this material or just in the nature of the Talocan to settle in new places that made them end up in Ainokis? EDIT: Reading my Caldari COMOS notes I can see that the whole are there also has a sort of "wild west" theme around it which is not connected with the Talocan directly (take a look at the names of the complexes for a start). There is even a Minmatar making "firewater" and Angle bank robbers. Still, the Talocan are pioneers. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.25 11:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Auwnie Morohe [ Perimeter Camp Perimeter Ambush Point Perimeter Hangar Perimeter Checkpoint Outpost Frontier Stronghold Fortification Frontier Stronghold Frontier Command Post Frontier Barracks Core Stronghold Core Garrison Core Citadel Core Bastion These, at the very least, suggest that youre not very friendly with your neighbours. Not necessarily. The naming scheme is build up around "camp" and they seem to be more defensive than offensive in nature. If there had been some kind of war going on, you would expect the structures reflect it somehow but they do not, neither the Sleeper or Talocan. Further, if somebody were planning and engaged in a war you would assume the Sleeper research interests to surround that topic, but given the information provided by The Mirror they do not. They only have one enclave devoted to the subject and it is called 'Security' again showing the non-offensive nature of the case. The directory from that enclave also tells us what the drones actually are used for: Originally by: Security Enclave 1.0 Virtual Kinetic Research 2.0 Artificial Intelligence Perpetuation Technology 3.0-5.0 Interstellar Surveillance Task Force 6.0 Anti-Thermocryogenesis Research and Implementation 7.0 Modulation Navigation Networkö The Sleeper drones, with their capabilities we know from their salvage components, fits that entry perfectly. So the real question is: What were/are the drones doing surveillance on? Clearly not primarily looking after intruders as their capabilities are more aimed at monitoring, data analysis and storage. Monitoring wormholes? Odd, as the drones do not need wormholes to travel between systems. Monitoring sun experiments? ... -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.25 15:59:00 - [18] There is some kind of reference to suns that is puzzling me. The Isogen 5 is harvested from a sun. Upon explosion, the Isogen 5 triggered a violent reaction from the sun. The Sleepers use solar power for both drones and structures. The Zephyr also fly aided by the sun. Talocan Distribution Tower. It disrupts what? Suns... Its the power of a sun that creates wormholes. There is an unusual high amount of anomalies (black holes, pulsars and such) in Anoikis. Failures or side effects from experimenting with suns and wormholes? And this: "It may not make sense at first. The complexities of life's story run so deep that it may take some time to understand. Some time indeed. Yet I tell you now that time will make the truth of these words shine ever brighter, because that is what I made them to do. - Unknown" My premise when looking at the data is assuming, that the ancient races first priority when the EVE hole closed down was not to wage war on each other but to use their efforts on trying to get home. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.25 19:16:00 - [19] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 25/07/2010 19:16:00 I was trying to find who it was that mentioned that the collapse of the EVE gate seems like a too little event to turn humanity all the way back to, perhaps not the stone age, then medieval times at least. But what if we add a deadly viral outbreak on top of the EVE gate's collapse? A viral outbreak that killed off most of the New Eden settles and forced others to try and flee the cluster. I have said the Talocans were pioneers but maybe they were refugees instead, running from the plague. That would finally explain why they did all that effort to cut themselves off from the rest of humanity. But they did not escape the virus, it followed them. Maybe the Sleepers joined in on this escape already from the start or maybe they came later and became a victim of the virus too. At least the virus managed to wipe out the Yan Jung civilization while the Jove somehow survived. They virus is still here. Sansha Kuvakei did not find a sample of the Kyonoke speck by breaking the quarantine surrounding the planet, he found it in Anoikis. Sure the Sleepers and Talocans were interested in mastering wormholes but from the number of research enclaves dedicated to the topic it seems finding a cure or final escape from this virus was on top of their priority list. Knowing the EVE universe I bet that virus was not made by natures hand. And perhaps the closing of the EVE gate was not natures choice either. A faint odd lead could be this. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.26 17:21:00 - [20] Nice. Except it should be 'a Jovian' and not 'a Jove' to be really juicy. Hm... must think. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.09.15 11:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Myxx im trying to find proof of it. This is good. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.02.18 12:34:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Dropbear sounds I read this as confirmation of my suspicion, that the Sleeper story will not progress (or unravel its mysteries for that matter) until CCP decides it is time to. That is fine with me. It just a shame you are hoaxing people into foolishly believing they stand any chance of 'solving a mystery' when key elements of the puzzle are being hold back. And no, allowing people a glimpse of the corner of one of the missing pieces do not count as providing a clue players can work with; it is just teasing and only leads to wild speculations which cannot be verified or even rejected. Of course, having people go on insane speculations might be fun when YOU know what the mystery is about, but there is no game to it for others. No investigation mystery solving puzzle game, no interactive story telling. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.07.05 08:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Ksitigarbha Originally by: Darcy D'Spledide This thread is much better than the other W-space ones, why did it die? Necrobump! Bumpy again! C'mon - there have to be some new info on this? No there is not. The "game" is about what kind of wild unsupported theories people can come up with so the the Storyline team can have a giggle. Things have already been written in that new book of theirs. Besides, why kill of the 'mysterious nature' of the mystery by letting us reveal it? New players need the to have their interest peeked too. And no-progress half completed storylines are another trademark of CCP btw. Maybe we should start transporting water to Ishukone HQ and construction blocks to CONCORD HQ in Yulai. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.07.05 11:03:00 - [24] Fine, play the court jester, Auwnie, you are welcome. I have moved on to other older lore sources and stories within EVE. Proberly forgotten by the devs too. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space

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