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Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.05.26 18:52:00 - [1] One idea that I haven't seen expressed suggested yet (forgive me if I've missed it) is that the Talocan/Sleepers, with their knowledge of hyper-euclidian geometry, are directly responsible for the wormholes that connect them with K-space, and in fact each other. We know that Sansha's Nation, arguably the most brilliant sect of Empire space, have recently figured out a means to manipulate them as well. Combine this with the fact that wormhole creation in K-space was a storyline event coupled with the reemergence of Jamyl sporting technology way beyond the four empire's means...this suggests to me a Babylon 5-esque "Shadow" game going on. (Again, forgive me if this information is not entirely accurate. I haven't gotten my hands on the canonical books yet.) I don't think it's at all unthinkable for the Talocan/Sleepers/whatever-their-relationship-is to still be around, either conscious or unconscious in cryosleep while their automatons wile away the ages. It would certainly explain the in-game use of the name "Sleepers." Their structures are very possibly creating and moving the wormholes around themselves, until the time is right. Which implies they're in some way watching us right now, perhaps from deeper in W-space that we can't access yet.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.06.01 12:00:00 - [2] That's a great webpage, Pottsey. My alliance is the "Revival of the Talocan Empire," and we're based completely in wormhole space, so we also have a vested interest in learning about the fate of the Talocan Empire. We're trying to put together a forum now to collect any knowledge capsuleers have gathered. If you want to spend more time in wormholes, there are plenty of corporations in our alliance that are looking for new members. I'll try to contact you in game. Also, great chronicle. I especially appreciated the words and phrases that were in themselves tips of the hat to other stated concepts. (And that initial quote to the story...what was that about? Seems to imply that getting stuck behind the wormholes wasn't exactly the Talocan's decision.)
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.06.27 04:06:00 - [3] http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC105#August People have pointed out that it might not even be the Jovians aiding the Nation in an official capacity, but splinter groups instead, like Ouria.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.06.30 13:32:00 - [4] I've always kind of wondered if the Sleepers weren't in fact the Talocan themselves. Not in the sense of the Talocan Empire giving birth to the Sleeper organization, but the Sleeper ships themselves. With theories of the old infected having digitized themselves, it's not too much of a strain to imagine the Awakened, Emergent, etc. being shells for what's left of their minds. Not unlike how our ships are shells for our clones. Maybe we're actually committing genocide on the remnants of one of the most ancient human civilizations left.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.07.13 09:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Otocinclus Otocinclus said stuff. These are my ideas, waiting for CCP Dropbear to drop in soon and either shoot all of it down as lolspeculation, help get me on the right path, or completely ignore it and post some more cryptic, misleading comments. Honestly, I don't think that's going to happen. Despite the 11 pages (and counting) in this thread, we keep coming around to the same ideas or conclusions. Additionally, I suspect one of those two systems is the one the Sansha Nation is currently using. If there is a second Undiscovered Country, I'll bet it's the home of the Sleepers and/or Talocan we have yet to unlock.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.07.13 14:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Gerard Deneth The only flaw with that is that the bright star winked in and out of existence simultaneously across the cluster. If it was just a lightspeed signal, then it should have winked on and off in sequence across the cluster, from wherever was closest to wherever was farthest away. Star systems are spread apart by years, so it should have been an event that would have rippled across, not "poofed" in and out of being simultaneously. Actually, you should read the actual news articles from the Bright Star event: Article 1 Article 2 Article 3 You'll notice that at least one researcher from a renowned school specifically posits the Bright Star event as being related to the EVE gate collapse...citing the influence of tachyons, which, moving faster than light, could theoretically hit all systems at roughly the same time. What I think is most fascinating, however, is a little quote from the last article: Originally by: Article 3 It is even postulated that the simultaneous appearance and disappearance of the object from the night skies of all worlds across the Federation might indicate the existence of a network of micro-wormholes, which could perhaps be exploited and expanded to initiate a new form of long-distance interstellar travel. Interesting...March of '08 and CCP was already preparing for Apocrypha, a full year before its eventual release.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.07.14 16:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 14/07/2010 16:58:59 Originally by: Razor Blue Has anyone ever tried just podding themselves at The Mirror? I would test it out myself but i need to find class 6 wormhole. I'm actually trying to do this very thing, but I'm having trouble finding a C6 wormhole with a Mirror site in it. Does anyone know of one I can get to? I have a cheap alt scanning account I wouldn't mind podding once or twice or several dozen times to get results...
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:21:00 - [8] I've found my C5, static C6 and started my campaign to see if self-podding next to the structure gets me anywhere. Things that didn't work, installment #1: * Triggering the Mirror site in a pod. The pod simply doesn't have the electronics capable of handling the flood of information from the Mirror. (In game terms, it would be way too cheap to allow this.) * Self-destructing while cloaked. There is a "sweet spot" just above each complex, close enough to trigger the pop-up while still being just far enough away from the conduits to stay cloaked. However, this is purely academic since you can't light the fuse with both hands and still keep your elbow on the cloak button. * Self-destructing in a pod, even if you've already triggered the pop-up. Like the first point, this would have probably been too easy. Next step: Self-destructing in a Zephyr. I'll let you know later how that goes.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.07.15 18:00:00 - [9] Things that don't work, part deux: * Self-destructing in a Zephyr. Having never self-destructed before, I didn't realize it didn't ACTUALLY blow you up...just your ship. That doesn't make much sense, but whatever. It puts me back at the point where self-destructing in just a pod does nothing. * Self-destructing at 0m from the structure. Taking a clue from "The Vitrauze Project," I parked my pod so it was sitting right on top of both the Oruze Enclave, the Communications Enclave, and the Medical Enclave (three separate attempts), hoping that at least one of them would "catch" my digits as they raced back to my new clone. No such luck, however. I am fresh out of ideas, but I'm keeping a scanning alt in this C6 in case any of you have better notions. P.S. One of my steps was scanning an empire exit to use for bringing in fresh clones. It wasn't until hours later that I actually looked at the name of that low-sec system--Vitrauze. Wow. Talk about literally following in Burreau's footsteps.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.18 08:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Pottsey I can confirm the same Stonehenge ruins with the strange spinning object is found in at Yan Jung Sites and in wspace. I find this incredibly significant, since it's something that hasn't been mentioned widely yet and has a lot of impact on our study of the Sleepers. Up until now, we've connected the Talocan with the Sleepers so thoroughly that we've almost left out room for anyone else. Posters have already commented that Yan Jung technology could be easily responsible for the longevity of the Sleeper drones. What other ancient races were/are connected with Anoikis? Has another seen any signs of the other two missing ancient human races?

Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.18 14:57:00 - [11] Is there a list of all the C6s and their respective anomalies? Maybe there's one C6 that stands out. After all, Burreau did send back a locus signature as her final message. Maybe that message was the ID of the wormhole system with the door further in.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.19 11:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 19/08/2010 11:18:55 Quoting from The Vitrauze Project: Quote: "Her unique network ID was accessed at the same time she attempted to make contact, yet she did not enter her password correctly." "Yes, we looked into it. She didn't gain any access to secure information. We're investigating the reasons she didn't authenticate properly." "Of course, but that's not what I wanted to mention." "Yes?" "You don't seem to know what I'm talking about." "Go on." "The password, the one she entered. The incorrect string?" "I will put aside any questions I have about how you would have access to such a thing and ask you to come to the point." "It's a locus." "I see." "Yes." "We were not aware." "With due respect, Sir, what you are not aware of is that for every one of those six Helioses inside your system, there are two of our Buzzards." "I believe that as much as I believe you're a psychologist." I'm assuming they're talking about Burreau here. Either way, the point still stands that there might be a special, specific location out there among the rest.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.30 07:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Goremageddon seems like they were messing with some sort of bioengineering feet to power the sleepers off renewable energy source I know it's been mentioned and alluded to before, but most of the systems in Anoikis has some significant source of background energy present, besides the system's own star. Some have pulsars, some have red giants, some have black holes (the accretion disk puts out a large amount of energy), and some others like mine have two other large yellow stars shining nearby. I know that many wormholes don't have a cosmic anomaly to go with the background effects, but I can't remember how many wormholes I've seen don't have at least some sort of scenery to suggest lots of radiant background energy.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.08 04:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Moleculor Or has this already been mentioned, and I'm just "remembering" something I read months back as if it were an original idea? It's basically just a much more complex way of saying that the Sleepers are protecting their sites from us. Which you can realize as soon as you warp in. I'm not sure if your post was implying anything more useful than that.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.08 08:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Arvash While I too am too new to all of this to have 100% vision, there is a recurring theme around clone jumps here in the Chronicles. Latest in Jita 4-4, but there was a clear reference in the fall of Seyllin chron that something went awry when the scientest who found the wormhole happened to have a clone. This was implied if I recall in two separate chrons on the incident - one in which the scientist herself noted it and one in which the "dark group in the boardroom" mentioned it (may have been two parts of same chron). Forgive me, I'm tired and it's late, but I'm hoping some of the vets see the connection I'm making. Dropbear's chrons have made several references to touching the Sleeper constructs, data transmission from "meatspace" to infomorph, and the capsuleers' cloning technology. It seems to me too common a thread to ignore - maybe Dropbear's tired of waiting for us to get the hint and is repeating himself? I kept thinking that Dropbear was suggesting we pod ourselves near a sleeper construct (most likely the mirror) so that our bits would get sucked up into the Sleeper stream. No such luck on my end from experimenting, however. Perhaps the connection is more subtle? And as an off-hand idea, what are the kinds of ships that can house cloning vats anyway?
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.09.11 07:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Myxx someone needs to find a mirror and die near it. possibly repeatedly. Way ahead of you there. Check out my posts earlier in this thread.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.11.25 12:39:00 - [17] Way ahead of you, dude. Self-podding, part 1 Self-podding, part 2
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2011.01.05 17:18:00 - [18] And my axe.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2011.01.13 04:22:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Yokai There are 7929 sol's (including Polaris, Jove, wormholes, and other spaces not accessable today to normal players) What? Last information I heard from the info dumps was 5000 k-space, 2499 w-space, and Polaris. Are my numbers seriously that far off?
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2011.01.14 04:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Karak Terrel Noticed something a while ago. I live in a c2 and some weeks ago we got a magnetometric site (not 100% sure if it was mag). When i warped to that site it contained Talocan Ruins something i never saw before in a c2. I warped back to my POS to get the Zephyr. Back at the site, the Talocan Ruins were gone and only a standard Sleeper site was there. Maybe the secrets that are hidden are in such a site that only appears by chance? I've heard of that happening before, to one of my corpmates. Do you remember seeing a Polestar among the artifacts, perchance?

Nathan Jameson Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.01.21 04:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Tykari Speaking of the Talocan. Where did the term "static" wormhole come from exactly? Was it something players invented and applied? I'm asking because I wonder if it is a coincidence that the Talocan have structures called Static gates that were apparently used as their way of travel. Yes, it was invented to describe the particular connection each wormhole system ALWAYS has. For example, the C4 I live in ALWAYS has a connection to some C2 somewhere, though which one changes every 16 hours. And it's been long postulated to the point it's accepted theory that the sleeper/Talocan structures are creating these static connections. How controlled their creation and destinations are remains to be seen, but at least one Man that we know of can already do it at will.
Nathan Jameson Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:20:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: Lancashirian I really hope CCP throws us a bone soon. I don't want to get ahead of things here, especially as things are still in the pre-approval process but yeah, new developments for this are on the horizon. More information will provided once things solidify into approved plans. Excuse me, I have to go...um...change my pants now.

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