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Credit Union
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Posted - 2010.05.07 05:49:00 -
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I have recently started doing level 5 missions, now in these missions i expected to be well paid,
1) From the insane amount of damage that is generated. ie you need a decent tank and logistics as minimium. 2) the amount of ships that are needed to complete the missions 3) all the mission hubs are in low sec which adds extra danger
Now comming from level 4's the isk rewards and extreamly low and the loot drops are also very low.
The only thing that level 5's have going for them are the nice high LP's. For a three person gang (tank, logistics and DPS) the isk made per person is about 5M each, in total about 15M on average. When compared to a level 4 mission including loot and salvage I was averaging about 20M per mission on a lvl4 quality 1 agent.
In level 5's even the mission journal suggests more than one pilot is needed for the mission.
Now I am using a lvl 5 quality 12 agent. As these missions are all in low sec the danger level increases. Would this forum agree that for the risk of a lvl 5 the isk really is not suitable reward. If a CSM or CCP rep could respond it would be really helpful in making me understand the low payout for these missions, especially when CCP is trying to get people to go to low sec.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:14:00 -
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I agree. Thats why i dont do them. Its just not worth doing them. And i dont like it.
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:43:00 -
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Loot can vary greatly, is true. But bounties are usually actually pretty good, lots of BS rats. The actual rewards aren't much, but reward+bounties+loot/salvage should be a decent chunk of change. However, the LP are the biggest reward. With good social skills I get around 70k lp off a single mission. That's just a huge amount, more than ten times that of a level 4.
A few other considerations:
If you're patient, you don't have to do level 5's in lowsec. Use a shuttle to visit the agent, reject the missions that take place in lowsec, and only do those the agent gives you in highsec. Obviously, though, if you're doing this you won't be able to run them all day long. But, you can still do level 4's in between, or go ahead and take the lowsec missions as well.
Picking the right ships makes it possible to do them solo, too. A passive rattlesnake can do pretty much any of them solo. Same with a nighthawk. An ishtar can do them vs certain damage types. I've heard tengu's are capable, but never really looked into that. It might take a bit longer than doing it as a team but it is entirely doable. So the number of ships actually required is only one.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.07 11:56:00 -
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Just log in 3 or 4 alts, they're not that hard.
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Tyfuz
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Galgacus Just log in 3 or 4 alts, they're not that hard.
eeeh.. this confuse me. That you say 3-4 alts and that you also say they not that hard...
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llhloiug
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Posted - 2010.05.07 15:56:00 -
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I've wanted to try lvl 5 missions for a long time, but haven't for the reasons given in the initial post. I haven't heard of any changes in the pipe, so I'm not sure ccp is thinking of this as a defect. More of a feature. : )
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tyfuz
Originally by: Galgacus Just log in 3 or 4 alts, they're not that hard.
eeeh.. this confuse me. That you say 3-4 alts and that you also say they not that hard...
I mean, they're not that hard if you use a few alts.
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WizWaz
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:17:00 -
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I fail to see how you're getting only 5 mil per char per mission. methinks OP is a troll and/or terribad at this game. 70k LP/3 chars = 23.3k LP per char. At the absolute **** conversion of 500 isk/lp thats ~12 mil. Assuming u get a garbage 50klp mission and/or have fail social skills, then ur still pulling in around 7-8 mil per mission at ****ty 500 isk/lp. I think you need to do more research....not to mention that you can also blitz half of em. I ran em briefly a couple months ago with one of my mains. Blitzed em easy with a thanny and/or chimera. Really really easy to do :) Mondo isk...just had a friend with high faction standing cherrypick the missions.
-Wizwaz
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Mimulouse
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Dreams Loot can vary greatly, is true. But bounties are usually actually pretty good, lots of BS rats. The actual rewards aren't much, but reward+bounties+loot/salvage should be a decent chunk of change. However, the LP are the biggest reward. With good social skills I get around 70k lp off a single mission. That's just a huge amount, more than ten times that of a level 4.
A few other considerations:
If you're patient, you don't have to do level 5's in lowsec. Use a shuttle to visit the agent, reject the missions that take place in lowsec, and only do those the agent gives you in highsec.
I can confirm this as well, but I used a warp stab fit atron just for a little extra insurance... :) I don't run them anymore, but I'd say about 20% of the mission offers would be in high sec. I never soloed one entirely in a domi, but a fleet of 3 can usually handle most, and a fleet of 5-7 can run them rather quickly. I participated in several fleet L5 operations that consisted of a primary aggro target, logistics, RR and damage dealers. You see a fair amount of neut in L5, and that's always entertaining... :)
I also know folks who regularly run L5 missions solo in the aforementioned Tengu and Ishtar. Once I get my shield skills up just a tad, I'll probably give it a go in an Ishtar, but that will take a back seat to running plexes in 0.0 ... :)
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caboaddict
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Posted - 2010.05.07 17:36:00 -
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Level 5's are all about the LP. Isk and bounties are pretty much the same as Lvl 4's. Although I'd say you are going to earn more bounty as lvl 5's have more ships, so that is a bonus.
Anyone who has done their research can get 1500-2000 isk/lp which for a 50000 LP mission is 75 Million to 100 Million isk per mission!
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Obedient Slavegirl
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Posted - 2010.05.07 18:45:00 -
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Can a fleet of 3 pilots (averaging 10mil xp and flying 2 Battleships and 1 Logistics) run these level 5 missions?
a) piece of cake b) not a walk in the park, but still doable c) tough but worth trying (some of them at least) b) Have the Market/ships/battleships tab open, you never know
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2010.05.08 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Obedient Slavegirl Can a fleet of 3 pilots (averaging 10mil xp and flying 2 Battleships and 1 Logistics) run these level 5 missions?
a) piece of cake b) not a walk in the park, but still doable c) tough but worth trying (some of them at least) b) Have the Market/ships/battleships tab open, you never know
Not worth trying in a BS as your most likely actively tanked and will be neuted to hell and die in a fire. You can do it with armor BS with slave set but that will be hard, as if your logi has to warp out you are ****ed. I use damnation and domi for reps and pest but I plan on switching to kronos with t2 tri rigs and the domi when I get the skills up.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2010.05.11 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Umamasyean on 11/05/2010 19:33:09
Originally by: Mimulouse
Originally by: Chaos Dreams Loot can vary greatly, is true. But bounties are usually actually pretty good, lots of BS rats. The actual rewards aren't much, but reward+bounties+loot/salvage should be a decent chunk of change. However, the LP are the biggest reward. With good social skills I get around 70k lp off a single mission. That's just a huge amount, more than ten times that of a level 4.
A few other considerations:
If you're patient, you don't have to do level 5's in lowsec. Use a shuttle to visit the agent, reject the missions that take place in lowsec, and only do those the agent gives you in highsec.
I can confirm this as well, but I used a warp stab fit atron just for a little extra insurance... :) I don't run them anymore, but I'd say about 20% of the mission offers would be in high sec. I never soloed one entirely in a domi, but a fleet of 3 can usually handle most, and a fleet of 5-7 can run them rather quickly. I participated in several fleet L5 operations that consisted of a primary aggro target, logistics, RR and damage dealers. You see a fair amount of neut in L5, and that's always entertaining... :)
I also know folks who regularly run L5 missions solo in the aforementioned Tengu and Ishtar. Once I get my shield skills up just a tad, I'll probably give it a go in an Ishtar, but that will take a back seat to running plexes in 0.0 ... :)
What makes the istar so good for those? Can it tank all those ships?
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.12 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean
What makes the istar so good for those? Can it tank all those ships?
Ishtar can solo against K/T enemies. It fails miserably against Angels.
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Treboris
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Posted - 2010.05.12 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kzintee
Originally by: Umamasyean
What makes the istar so good for those? Can it tank all those ships?
Ishtar can solo against K/T enemies. It fails miserably against Angels.
on top of that, most lvl 5 missions have neuts. The ishtar can passively tank Kinetic/thermal reliably.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.12 01:46:00 -
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First of all, you're doing it wrong and secondly it's the LP that's valuable, not the bounties or loot. With that said, I agree it generally isn't worth while if you're using a 3 person gang. As with all missions, lvl5's are really geared towards solo or duoing. Soloing them with a carrier is stupidly easy and yes it's cost effective. 70k+ LP is easily worth 70M isk and the missions typically take around 15-20 minutes. At that rate, it doesn't take very many lvl5's to fully cover the cost of a t2 fitted carrier. And I just completely ignored the negligible income from bounties and loot.
If you aren't using a carrier, there are a number of good options. Among these are the nighthawk, tengu, loki, rattlesnake, navy scorp, and ishtar. I'm sure people have figured out ways of using many other ships too. In regards to low sec missioning, it's only dangerous if you're stupid. I've been running missions in low sec (lvl4 and 5) for a year and half and have yet to lose a single pve ship to a player in that time. A few people have tried to get me obviously, but they always fail.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.05.12 01:54:00 -
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You make crap all soloing lvl5s just because such low dps is possible on the ships that can solo tank them.
Small fleet of BS can easily do lvl5 missions in a decent amount of time and make lots of isk per hour through just the lp payouts...or even bring carrier (like you need to do in wh space to make 1-4bil per character a week in class 6 wh)
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2010.05.12 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar First of all, you're doing it wrong and secondly it's the LP that's valuable, not the bounties or loot. With that said, I agree it generally isn't worth while if you're using a 3 person gang. As with all missions, lvl5's are really geared towards solo or duoing. Soloing them with a carrier is stupidly easy and yes it's cost effective. 70k+ LP is easily worth 70M isk and the missions typically take around 15-20 minutes. At that rate, it doesn't take very many lvl5's to fully cover the cost of a t2 fitted carrier. And I just completely ignored the negligible income from bounties and loot.
If you aren't using a carrier, there are a number of good options. Among these are the nighthawk, tengu, loki, rattlesnake, navy scorp, and ishtar. I'm sure people have figured out ways of using many other ships too. In regards to low sec missioning, it's only dangerous if you're stupid. I've been running missions in low sec (lvl4 and 5) for a year and half and have yet to lose a single pve ship to a player in that time. A few people have tried to get me obviously, but they always fail.
That's not "solo". Don't you need someone to jump you in a carrier?
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Lewich
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Posted - 2010.05.12 08:25:00 -
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Level 5 missions can be done in 2 BS.
Just Resisted (4-5 x specific Hardeners) tank (Abaddon,mega,pest, mael, even raven) plus Dominix 4xLarge remote reps/Shield transfers, 2xLarge Energy Transfers. (sometimes 5+1).
DPS from BS-tank + 5 heavy\sentry drones from dominix (logistics cruiser dont have'em ).
pretty cheap and effective (remember insurance). Also Eve-suvival helps alot (triggers, etc).
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.12 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean
That's not "solo". Don't you need someone to jump you in a carrier?
I wouldn't consider a cyno alt that gets logged off the instant you jump in as part of the mission. That said, even if you do there is a way around even that. The particular agent I use these days only sends me to 5 different systems, 2 of them I reject outright cause they are bad places to be. If I really wanted, I could park a carrier in each of the remaining three and never move them. I know of several people who have done precisely that. In that case, no, you don't even need a cyno alt.
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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.12 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lewich Level 5 missions can be done in 2 BS.
Just Resisted (4-5 x specific Hardeners) tank (Abaddon,mega,pest, mael, even raven) plus Dominix 4xLarge remote reps/Shield transfers, 2xLarge Energy Transfers. (sometimes 5+1).
DPS from BS-tank + 5 heavy\sentry drones from dominix (logistics cruiser dont have'em ).
pretty cheap and effective (remember insurance). Also Eve-suvival helps alot (triggers, etc).
Passive Ishtar + any DPS boat works rather nicely against the kin/therm missions as the Ishtar can get the full drone damage and the DPS boat won't have to compromise on gankage.
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Chigy
Minmatar Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2010.05.12 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Chigy on 12/05/2010 16:46:16 Loki can solo EM/Therm missions.
Drake, NH, Tengu, Rattler can solo Kin/Therm (as can Ishtar, but it takes forever).
I moved to a Tengu/Rattler duo.
Edit: O, I make about 1.25 Bil a week doing them in highsec only for Minmatar. Mail me if you want to know more.
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Damon Blood
Empirius Enigmus Navy
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Posted - 2010.05.12 22:41:00 -
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I can do any of them in a CNR & Domi Combo. AS the above posted stated a bil a week is easy if you try.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2010.05.14 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Damon Blood I can do any of them in a CNR & Domi Combo. AS the above posted stated a bil a week is easy if you try.
Tehcnically, that's 500 mil a week. You have to "split" it between your 2 characters in principle. It's just that you own both charaters.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.14 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean
Originally by: Damon Blood I can do any of them in a CNR & Domi Combo. AS the above posted stated a bil a week is easy if you try.
Tehcnically, that's 500 mil a week. You have to "split" it between your 2 characters in principle. It's just that you own both charaters.
lol...seriously? If he used 10 characters to do the mission, he is still making 1 bill a week.
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.14 08:32:00 -
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I think lvl5s have great reward, I've not done them personally but I do have a agent ready.
The LP reward on its own is just awesome I would do them just for that.
However I must add that I've read many many people talking about LP/Isk reward. I cannot work this out because some of you earn crazy amounts from LP I personally earn about 60 mil from 100k LP.
Anywho ill stop rambling now but all I can suggest is this:
Get a proper ship get proper tank get proper DPS do some lvl5s get the LP get rich.
Simplez
From what I can see for me to make more Id need a whole shed load of tags to be able to buy better items to sell.
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Umamasyean
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Posted - 2010.05.14 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: FievelGoesPostal Edited by: FievelGoesPostal on 14/05/2010 04:19:00
Originally by: Umamasyean
Originally by: Damon Blood I can do any of them in a CNR & Domi Combo. AS the above posted stated a bil a week is easy if you try.
Tehcnically, that's 500 mil a week. You have to "split" it between your 2 characters in principle. It's just that you own both charaters.
lol...seriously? If he used 10 characters to do the mission, he is still technically making 1 bill a week, not 100m
And it would cost $150 per month for the account. Per account you would make 100 mil.
You can say that $150 is nothing because it's pocket change to you anyway, but that would be your personal view of that angle. But if you consider that you might want to maintain all 10 characters, 100 mil a weak allocated to each one is not all that much.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Umamasyean
Originally by: FievelGoesPostal Edited by: FievelGoesPostal on 14/05/2010 04:19:00
Originally by: Umamasyean
Originally by: Damon Blood I can do any of them in a CNR & Domi Combo. AS the above posted stated a bil a week is easy if you try.
Tehcnically, that's 500 mil a week. You have to "split" it between your 2 characters in principle. It's just that you own both charaters.
lol...seriously? If he used 10 characters to do the mission, he is still technically making 1 bill a week, not 100m
And it would cost $150 per month for the account. Per account you would make 100 mil.
You can say that $150 is nothing because it's pocket change to you anyway, but that would be your personal view of that angle. But if you consider that you might want to maintain all 10 characters, 100 mil a weak allocated to each one is not all that much.
No doubt...I dont disagree. None of that was the point , though. Making 1 bill a week with 2 characters is still making 1 bill a week. That's 500m per account , but its still technically 1 bill a week...and 1 person is still technically making 1 billion per week.
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L'yss
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Posted - 2010.05.15 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
Originally by: Umamasyean
That's not "solo". Don't you need someone to jump you in a carrier?
I wouldn't consider a cyno alt that gets logged off the instant you jump in as part of the mission. That said, even if you do there is a way around even that. The particular agent I use these days only sends me to 5 different systems, 2 of them I reject outright cause they are bad places to be. If I really wanted, I could park a carrier in each of the remaining three and never move them. I know of several people who have done precisely that. In that case, no, you don't even need a cyno alt.
I heard alot of lvl 5's have acceleration gates and would that not preclude carriers?
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.15 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: King Rothgar on 15/05/2010 01:21:40 As with all other mission levels, some missions are gated and others are not. You cannot use an acceleration gate with a capital. So gated missions are off limits to a carrier. However, only about half the missions are gated, the other half are not and pose no problems for capitals. You can run any ungated mission with a carrier, I've done damsel in distress (lvl4) for ****s and giggles that way. Hell I think I even ran lvl1 blockade once for the hell of it.
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