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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
1013
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Posted - 2012.07.11 22:53:00 -
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They are all mildly OP. Tengu just happens to be more popular (and its really HMs , not the Tengu itself). |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:18:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Klymer wrote:You wanna see the Tengu be just as crappy as the other T3's? Take the missile subsystem off it and fit the Magnetic Infusion Basin, that's the hybrid turret sub if you don't know and had to look up the name of it like I just did using evemon.
or load regular scourge instead of furies. same for drake btw.
The T1 vs T2 ammo issue is valid. My point however was that the long range medium turrets still need better range and damage projection to put them on par with heavy missiles. Nerfing missiles is just going to make things worse while making long range turrets better will give people options to fly more ships in ways they can't or won't fly them now. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
249
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:31:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:For PvP perhaps.
When you ask for fittings for PvE though, the universal answer you get is "Grab a Tengu instead".
Not in Incursions. In Incursion PvP the Legion is king for what it can do to PvE frigs in quick order.
I'm cursious i is the same with Sleepers or i they don't have as many rigs running crazy like Sansha does?
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
167
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:41:00 -
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Ron Maudieu wrote:Well, it has already been stated that CCP does not like how the T3s are in comparision to the other cruisers.
Example: A tengu is better than a cerberus in every way except cost.
That's not even to mention how they make command ships obsolete.
Confirming that all T3's are OP.
Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
69
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:06:00 -
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All i will say is that it is only t3 that can go hand in hand with high end battleships for PVE and that is saying something about rest of em and tell some more about somtn else im not gonna mention here.
Now should t3 be look upon for their PVE performance.... |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
372
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Posted - 2012.07.12 00:37:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Each T3 is good at something.
Loki is good at webs
Well woop-de-freaking-do. 
you clearly do not fly in or against T3 fleets.
loki is extremely good in gang/fleet fights.
good DPS, great resists, good speed, good agility, great ranged webs. nothing not to like about it.
For the record: no one gives a **** about T3s in PVE. |
chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
28
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Posted - 2012.07.12 01:13:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
For the record: no one gives a **** about T3s in PVE.
not an empty quote |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
91
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Posted - 2012.07.12 02:57:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Each T3 is good at something.
Loki is good at webs
Well woop-de-freaking-do.
because I'm a carebear, by default all ships need to be good for shooting redcross |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:46:00 -
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In FW territory I see way way way more Lokis ... then Proteus ... then tengus .. but they are minority.
So are lokis overpowered ? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
953
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:38:00 -
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OP, next time you make a thread, perhaps inform people that it's not about EVE, but some hisec missioning stuff.
Sure, if you really want to train for a ship that is only good for PVE, by all means go ahead and do the Tengu, but for others, life is simply too short to be wasted for things like that.
Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
292
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:50:00 -
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Roime wrote:OP, next time you make a thread, perhaps inform people that it's not about EVE, but some hisec missioning stuff.
Troll harder.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Denuo Secus
55
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:58:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:In FW territory I see way way way more Lokis ... then Proteus ... then tengus .. but they are minority.
So are lokis overpowered ?
True, when I see a T3 in low sec PvP it's mostly a Loki or Proteus. In gate camps fast lock Legions as well sometimes. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
110
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:03:00 -
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Sigh.
Shall we start from the start.
The Tengu
Average DPS with HMLs but excellent projection, good DPS with HAMs, but HAMs come with their own issues, lets be clear on this, the only really useful thing the Tengu does is DPS and Tank, nothing else.
The Loki
Very fast with excellent kiting ability with Autos a strong shield tank coupled and huge web range. Good DPS with autos, great alpha with Arties, excellent tackle when armour tanked for ABHAC/Hellcat gangs, the Loki can do DPS, Tank, armour and shield tank and has extended web range, making it an excellent gang tackler.
The Proteus
Awesome DPS at close range, the only really practical Cloaky Solo T3, HUGE buffer tanking numbers, excellent tackle for ABHAC gangs, the Proteus does huge DPS up close, awesome tank + LR tackle for ABHAC/Hellcat gangs.
I have no experience with the Legion, so I will leave that one.
Bascically OP needs to learn what T3s are used for outside of Level 4s. |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
30
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:10:00 -
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Ron Maudieu wrote:Well, it has already been stated that CCP does not like how the T3s are in comparision to the other cruisers.
Example: A tengu is better than a cerberus in every way except cost.
That's not even to mention how they make command ships obsolete.
The comamdn ship obsolecense thing is the most griveous part for me. Commadn ships are harder to trian for and are slightly weaker.
Commadn ships could use a boost AND at same time T3 coudl very well get a nerf like reduce resitances to Recon levels. |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
205
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:57:00 -
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Seishi Maru wrote:Ron Maudieu wrote:Well, it has already been stated that CCP does not like how the T3s are in comparision to the other cruisers.
Example: A tengu is better than a cerberus in every way except cost.
That's not even to mention how they make command ships obsolete. The comamdn ship obsolecense thing is the most griveous part for me. Commadn ships are harder to trian for and are slightly weaker. Commadn ships could use a boost AND at same time T3 coudl very well get a nerf like reduce resitances to Recon levels.
I'd love to see field command ships given more combat viability, let t3s do their boosting, if FCSs become viable as a pvp ship for small gang work I'd fly nothing else. TBH the old eos was where field commands should have been, even if the astarte needed a buff at the time. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
115
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:59:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:For PvP perhaps.
When you ask for fittings for PvE though, the universal answer you get is "Grab a Tengu instead".
A Caldari ship is not really all that great in PvP, but solid in PvE?
I don't believe you, that sounds unlikely.
//uses a Legion in PvE, going back for ammo is lame. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
91
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:30:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Roime wrote:OP, next time you make a thread, perhaps inform people that it's not about EVE, but some hisec missioning stuff.
Troll harder.
very good intel, I dont see any trolling from that guy |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.07.13 02:25:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:I've named it "It is not a Tengu-syndrome". I've been surfing the ships and modules forum for a while, one thing I've noticed, it seems you certainly have a lot to say about modules and other aspects regarding EvE online. Is there anything you are satisfied with? Please, I ask that you don't misinterpret my intentions, but are you sure you like playing EvE online? Fly safe.=)
^^^^^^
This
Vote Tor back to WOW |
Garaba
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 02:59:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Oh look, it's another 'Tengu is OP' thread. How quaint.
I don't think it is that the Tengu is overpowered. I think it has more to do with the fact that the Tengu does EVERYTHING extremely well. The other t3's fall into very very niche roles. The Tengu can fill almost any role you need and usually do it extremely well.
I am not saying the Tengu needs to get nerfed down, because that is usually never the answer to a problem. However, I do feel that the other t3's need to be looked at to bring them up to par with the Tengu, or at least a viable option in most cases. |
Kisogo Magellin
Parallax Shift
The Periphery
2
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Posted - 2012.07.13 03:10:00 -
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I for one welcome our Tengu overlords.
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