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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Gith Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:18:00 -
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Black Friday refers to several things, and none of them have anything to do with race.
Today, i was gagged in the Help channel for being a racist troll.
I inquired about this morning's item problems in the Help channel, and someone refered to it as 'black Friday' (referring to the wall street crash of 1929... in the US they call it 'Black Thursday', but due to timezone differences, in the UK it is called Black Friday.
This term in no way is degrading to anyone of colored skin, and was never used, by anyone as a derogatory racial term.
When the ISD threatened to ban people for being racist, i simply pointed this fact out, and then was labeled a troll, and gagged.
Heres a log:
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Terminal Insanity > the eveonline site says anyone with open market orders this morning may be effected by the disappearing items bug
Terminal Insanity > i have over 600 market orders
Terminal Insanity > how am i supposed to find out what ones im missing
g0rge > you lost all your isk moneys
g0rge > its black friday
ISD Selcitrap > g0rge: Racist jokes are not tolerated in the help channels. This will be your only warning.
g0rge > ummm....in the 1920's when the american stock market crashed
g0rge > thats what they called it
Terminal Insanity > lol yes g0rge, its not in any way racist
g0rge > it wasnt
g0rge > but it is friday today :)
Terminal Insanity > dispite popular belief, the word 'black' doesnt only refer to a race of people =p
ISD Selcitrap > g0rge: The perceived intent of your joke makes it look like a racist joke. In addition, it is not black friday today,
Terminal Insanity > selcitrap, no
Terminal Insanity > you are just have a preconcieved notion that everyone is trying to be racist
g0rge > lol.
Terminal Insanity > 'black friday' refers to a market crash.
ISD Selcitrap > Terminal: This will also be your only warning, do not troll in the help channels.
Terminal Insanity > today is friday and there was a market crash
Terminal Insanity > so calling today another black friday is in no way racist
EVE System > Terminal Insanity was muted by ISD Selcitrap. Effective until 2010.05.08 00:27:46, Reason: "Arguing with ISD regarding moderation is not tolerated. You were warned. Please review these chat rules: http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/chatrules.asp".
Yeah i probably should have shut up and left him to live his fairytale life of ignorance, but its offensive when someone with authority forces his own ignorance on others by threat of punishment.
Today's lesson: don't use the word 'black' when referring to something negative. Its racist.
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Hainnz
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:29:00 -
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You "fought the law and the law won."
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:29:00 -
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Oh my, that is some impressive fail 
Also, IBTL, hope mr ISD had a look at a wiki since though.
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:30:00 -
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Are you sure that ISD is a real person? It looks like a bot with poorly coded AI to me.
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jona1
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: jona1 on 08/05/2010 00:38:40
Fairly petty reason to gag someone but you will prob get gagged here now too for posting in game chatlogs and stuffs on moderation.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:37:00 -
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Seeing racism where none is intended says something about a person.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Gith Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: jona1
Edited by: jona1 on 08/05/2010 00:38:40
Fairly petty reason to gag someone but you will prob get gagged here now too for posting in game chatlogs and stuffs on moderation.
are you kidding me? He did this in the largest public channel. Im not allowed to post that? lol what the heck...
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Today, i was gagged in the Help channel for being a racist troll.
No you weren't. The gag states it's for arguing moderation, which you were in fact doing. And still continue to argue, here on the forums. Doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, just have to do what they say. If you don't agree, file a complaint via a petition.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Damnskippy
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Posted - 2010.05.08 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Damnskippy on 08/05/2010 00:55:55
Political correctness run amok. 
edit: I fail at typing
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Seeing racism where none is intended says something about a person.
this, if words offend you then you have a issue in your head and suicide is the only cure
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Zeus Fatale
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:04:00 -
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On business in the southern USA I was out early and asked for Coffee Black, I was sleepy and had jet lag.. The Mcdonald's manager asked me to leave? I looked at her and said "Did you stop serving black coffee?" They called me a racist...
Long day that day.
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:06:00 -
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"Doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, just have to do what they say"
whatever they say? even if they say "apologize for being disrespectful" when you weren't being?
i'm all for doing what mods say but mods are wrong as often as anyone else and to ban someone for saying the word "black" in any context is straight up ******ed. to boot that person for trying to explain themselves is double ******ed
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:19:00 -
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Being temp gagged is probably no big thing, but I think you should petition that ISD member anyways. I see nothing wrong with you said, you were merely explaining what Black Friday means. ISD is real dumb.
Originally by: Jim Raynor
EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:44:00 -
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Holy $hit!!! And they try to say that we folks in Arizona are racist! This is about as moderation can get!!
And yes ISD mod...yesterday was called...wait for it......wait....
"Black Thursday". Is that really racist now? ....
What a f**king joke!
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Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.05.08 01:58:00 -
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Sad, truly sad state of affairs in the world when young people are being brainwashed in schools and by the media that practically everything is "racist" these days.
This is just one good example of it. I totally think you were shafted by stupidity and misguided political correctness.
Embarrassing really.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:01:00 -
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ISD on LSD!
It's an outrage!
CCP when arte you gonna start drug testing these "official" representaives.
Serious mode: Whomever that clown is, his only power ingame he should have is to DIE, like the rest of us.
Can him....NAO....please.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:06:00 -
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Why are you in a channel where there is an ISD person? Soon as I see ISD I leave because they abuse their powers constantly.
This just yet 1 more abuse of power; though not as malicious but rather their ignorance.
I think this basically comes down to ISD perceiving something as racist. Which isnt. Then abusing their power.
What if I perceive "This will be your only warning." as racist/offensive. It's clearly not racist. But I perceive it that way. So I demand ISD Selcitrap to be muted.
Yes well. At minimum this person should lose all power to mute/kick anyone ever again. Let them help out and be ISD all they like. Without power this situation wouldnt be a problem.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:19:00 -
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Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
Look at you go. You guys are all awesome and this ISD guy must be the epidemy of everything that is wrong with eve.
Look at how dumb you all are.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
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You know what they say about the road to hell don't you? If he was trying to do the right thing then why didn't he kick the guy who said the "racist" joke?
We are the dumb ones? That's hilarious.
Is the word black allowed on the forums? Oh neato, it is.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Von Mukesh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
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You know what they say about the road to hell don't you? If he was trying to do the right thing then why didn't he kick the guy who said the "racist" joke?
We are the dumb ones? That's hilarious.
Is the word black allowed on the forums? Oh neato, it is.
yes, you are the dumb ones.
you in particular are duller than the rest.
you could scroll up and see he was giving him a warning? you could scroll up and see he tried to explain himself...
OR you could keep being incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY dumb.
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Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Von Mukesh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
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You know what they say about the road to hell don't you? If he was trying to do the right thing then why didn't he kick the guy who said the "racist" joke?
We are the dumb ones? That's hilarious.
Is the word black allowed on the forums? Oh neato, it is.
yes, you are the dumb ones.
you in particular are duller than the rest.
you could scroll up and see he was giving him a warning? you could scroll up and see he tried to explain himself...
OR you could keep being incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY dumb.
A warning for telling a racist joke, which was in fact a reference to a market problem the United states had. You are incredibly, incredibly INCREDIBLY SPECTACULAR !!
Really you are Aces in my book.
You really are spectacular.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 08/05/2010 02:37:20
Just because they are volunteers does not automatically make them correct or mean that their word is law. It's great to give your time, and I have seen some truly wonderful and helpful ISD's in that channel, and then I have seen those who only want the ISD position so they can have the power to mute whomever they feel is arguing with them.
Sure he was arguing with an ISD, so let his mute stand. However, the ISD should also be warned (no, not banned, muted himself, etc) that he should limit his power to serious cases, this was not one. I have petitioned ISD's before and had the GM's side in my favor, they are people as well and can be wrong. ISD Selcitrap was wrong.
tl;dr - Both sides are wrong, ISD's aren't god, let mute stand, warn ISD.
Edit: Also IBTL - Discussing Moderation...
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:40:00 -
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Princess Aliea...whatever his name is...is a troll.
The alt of some bored macro marketeer in Jita.
CCP investigate please. K thnks Bai.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:53:00 -
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I wouldnt wish my worst enemies petition be read by them. just wow
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Von Mukesh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Von Mukesh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
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You know what they say about the road to hell don't you? If he was trying to do the right thing then why didn't he kick the guy who said the "racist" joke?
We are the dumb ones? That's hilarious.
Is the word black allowed on the forums? Oh neato, it is.
yes, you are the dumb ones.
you in particular are duller than the rest.
you could scroll up and see he was giving him a warning? you could scroll up and see he tried to explain himself...
OR you could keep being incredibly, incredibly, INCREDIBLY dumb.
A warning for telling a racist joke, which was in fact a reference to a market problem the United states had. You are incredibly, incredibly INCREDIBLY SPECTACULAR !!
Really you are Aces in my book.
You really are spectacular.
it's obvious he was mistaken.
instead of understanding this guy reads god knows how many lines of chat in a day and may/probably has software that highlights suspect words you just jump down his throat as if this is even worth crying about
but sure, i'm the troll.
you guys are legitimately pointing out a GREAT INJUSTICE
and yes thank you,
I am rather spectacular
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Tau Dades
Caldari
Electrostatik
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at all you riding some volunteers arse for trying to do the right thing.
Look at you go. You guys are all awesome and this ISD guy must be the epidemy of everything that is wrong with eve.
Look at how dumb you all are.
ISD Alt detected.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:32:00 -
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ISD Selcitrap > g0rge: The perceived intent of your joke makes it look like a racist joke. In addition, it is not black friday today,
actually, where I am it's still friday.
..and they say American education system is bad.
I've had similar disputes in non-eve forums. Ignorant people are everywhere...and often is positions of authority. Sorry about your situation.
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Wei Dove
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Wei Dove on 08/05/2010 03:45:00
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
actually, where I am it's still friday.
..and they say American education system is bad.
No. I'm pretty sure the ISD meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th , that's why he said the day not being the Black Friday.
Yea, anyway, that ISD's being paranoid. So every single dictionary is racist! They have at least one word 'black' on their pages! /sarcasm
edit: url fixed
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Jill Duron
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:44:00 -
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On a related note, the new Pokemon games are going to be name Pokemon Black and Pokemon White.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jill Duron
On a related note, the new Pokemon games are going to be name Pokemon Black and Pokemon White.
And the best part is, you're not joking.
Ps. I'm totally getting Pokemon Black first.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
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