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Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.09 13:07:00 - [1] I'm looking for a source of pvp to put my alt into. My main is already apart of a big null sec alliance so i'm not after the big CTA / pos bash style pew. I'm looking for something quite pick up and go. Something where I can just log in **** about loose some ships kill some ships then log off. I was wondering if such a style of casual pvp actually exists if so what options do I have open to me ? I don't mind if its bloby or t1 intensive I just want something to kill time between alliance ops which doesnt involve roaming for 2 hours to only find 1 ratting raven.
Smabs	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:30:00 - [2] I think RvB is still going so that'd be a good place to get some casual pvp. Having flown around the amamake area it looks like the minmatar/amarr part of FW is pretty decent right now, but I'm sure that someone actually involved in that would know better than me.
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:48:00 - [3] Fw is a whole area of eve ive never looked into. Whats it actually realistically like. Is it much like null sec roaming ? or is the pew pretty quick and easy to find ? is it blobby? Sorry for the question explosion just wondering if anyone could give me an accurate idea of what its like.
yani dumyat Minmatar The 23rd Sense	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:55:00 - [4] RvB has probably the most instant gratification pvp anywhere in eve, it's been a while since my alt was in it so things may have changed but I had a lot of fun while I was there. You'll meet quite a few alts of experienced 0.0 pvpers. Fleet warfare is what I keep going back to for my pvp fix though, you can get a lot more fights than in 0.0 and even more so if you don't mind the sec loss from shooting neutrals. If you've got alternate income then there's no need to bother with the dull bits like plexing or missions, just dump a stack of ships in a low sec station and peel another one off the stack when you lose a fight. Fleets will feel a bit ropey if you're used to a well organized operations though there are some good FC's. There's no obligation to X up for fleets and if you're after good fights it's often better to go solo or fleet up with a small number of mates and do your own thing, this avoids the whole ship up / ship down / wait about / you're a spai / politics and other drama that you're trying to avoid by joining FW. Being part of a corp rather than the general militia helps a lot in this respect. _______ "Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth."
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:57:00 - [5] Factional warfare kills your standings. That's the only thing I know.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.05.09 16:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Alsyth Factional warfare kills your standings. That's the only thing I know. It only touches on your standings if you run the missions or pointlessly shoot the NPC's. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.09 17:09:00 - [7] realistically how bad is the FW standing loss cos standings are definitely something i can't be bothered to spend time on fixing. Yes i have 2 traders for income so the alt account will be strictly for pvp. Im just after really casual laid back log in get either into a fleet or small gang fly around and have a few light hearted kills. If such a thing exists that is. Wouldn't mind even trying to learn to fc myself although thats probs something I should work on in my main >.<
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.05.09 19:15:00 - [8] Realistically, as long as you don't run FW missions, it wont affect your standing at all (as long as you also don't - unprovoked - shoot fellow militia members which will likely drop your standings so far down that you'll be kicked out unless you're in a corp). Now running FW missions can give you a fairly nice income so it's more tempting then it might seem. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.09 21:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Alsyth Factional warfare kills your standings. That's the only thing I know. It only touches on your standings if you run the missions or pointlessly shoot the NPC's. Or run plexes - don't be in the plex when it is captured, as well as the stuff mentioned above, and you'll be fine. Basically - pvp won't lose you standings, pve will.
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:33:00 - [10] wait I'm confused. So does pvp actually drop your standings at all in FW? Do you not take any sec drop for killing people in your opposing militia? Do you still have to tank the low sec gate guns ? How does FW actually work?
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:43:00 - [11] Edited by: chatgris on 09/05/2010 22:44:39 Originally by: Mova B wait I'm confused. So does pvp actually drop your standings at all in FW? Do you not take any sec drop for killing people in your opposing militia? Do you still have to tank the low sec gate guns ? How does FW actually work? You get no standing change for shooting the enemy. You get a standing loss if you shoot your friendly militia members. The enemy factions are wardecced on you - gate guns will not shoot you for engaging them. There is no sec drop for killing people in any of the opposing militias (minmatar and gallente vs amarr and caldari) Now, standings only comes into play with the pve stuff FW missions and FW plexes - standings loss for shooting enemy npc's - standings gain for your friendly factions when you get promoted, standings loss against the enemy factions - much like a storyline mission Now, promotion works like this: Every time you are in a plex when it is captured, or you hand in a FW mission, you gain standing with your FW corporation. Every time you get 1.0 standing (before social skills) you get a promotion - that promotion gives you a large standing boost with your faction and the allied faction, and a standings loss with the opposing factions. The standing boost is roughly split +100% your faction, 50% allied faction, -100% enemy faction, -50% enemy of allied faction. So, in a nutshell - If you care about your standings towards the enemy factions, you can kill people all you want in your enemy militia, but you can't do FW missions or run plexes. I think I kept my caldari and amarr standings balanced for 6-8 months before FW missions turned me to the dark side and I just gave up. Thankfully, CCP recently fixed the standings hole by allowing negative quality level 1 agents to always talk to you, so you can always recover your standings in the future with enough grinding.
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Mova B wait I'm confused. So does pvp actually drop your standings at all in FW? Do you not take any sec drop for killing people in your opposing militia? Do you still have to tank the low sec gate guns ? How does FW actually work? Faction Warfare works almost exactly like a war dec. If you are in the Minmitar or Gallente Militia you can shoot the Amarr AND Caldari militia whenever, wherever (and vice versa). There is just 1 addition to the whole thing: entering into enemy high-sec space (0.5 and above) will get you attacked by the Faction Navy. For this reason, FW is done almost exclusively in low-sec (with the occasional high-sec raid here and there). So to recap: - No, killing an enemy player will not drop your standing... killing the faction rats will. - You do not take any sec status hit for killing a player unless they are neutral, in YOUR militia, or in a friendly militia (fix your overview so friendly fire incidents don't occur, quite a FW veterans have low sec status). - Don't worry about gate guns unless you INTEND on shooting neutrals and other militia members (sometimes it does becomes necessary to do so) - FW is like a war dec, except you can't enter enemy high-sec. _______________________ "Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:59:00 - [13] cool thanks for the info bomb :D what ships are generally used in FW. Is there much t2 or cap usage ? Also has anyone got any information of a similar level on rvb ?? Thanks alot for your help everyone.
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.05.09 23:15:00 - [14] Edited by: ShahFluffers on 09/05/2010 23:15:54 Originally by: Mova B what ships are generally used in FW. Is there much t2 or cap usage ? You can use any ship you feel most comfortable flying... though mobile, fast-locking ships that can pump out a decent amount of DPS are generally preferred (unless the FC has something "special" in mind). With T2 ships, you see them here and there. Vagabonds, Zealots, Ishtars, and some T2 frigs are quite popular. However, you are more likely to see faction ships than T2. Navy Slicers, Fleet Stabbers, Navy Omens are among the most common. Now with Capitals... if a fight gets heavy enough or people are bored enough, the chances that you might see a capital jump in increase by a lot. This is not to say they are common... but you know how kids are with their epeens and such. Sadly, I can't give you much info on RvB. All I know is that they do not allow E-war (ECM in particular) and prefer that everyone use T1 ships. It's good for some people, but it's a bit too simplistic/restrictive when it comes to combat tactics IMHO. _______________________ "Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Johan Sabbat Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.10 16:17:00 - [15] Originally by: ShahFluffers Sadly, I can't give you much info on RvB. All I know is that they do not allow E-war (ECM in particular) and prefer that everyone use T1 ships. It's good for some people, but it's a bit too simplistic/restrictive when it comes to combat tactics IMHO. RvB, two corp fighting each other in high sec. Mostly T1 frigates and cruisers with a good smattering of BCs. The current rules are something like: 1. Thou shall not pod red nor blue. 2. No Red vrs Blue fighting when purple has been called (combined Red and Blue fleet ops) 3. Neutral RR is not permissable except against third party war targets 4. ECM is not permissable except against third party war targets or the defence your home station (a disincentive to station camping). 4a. ECM drones are acceptable. So the only things you're missing is ECM and neutral remote repping; expensive toys are acceptable but are prone to invoking a 'primary' response. -- Fake Edit This is not an R-V-B recuitment post. This is an R-V-B recruitment post: "If your interested in pick up pvp join channel R-V-B in game"
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.10 17:10:00 - [16] Ok few questions. How come no ecm is allowed ? Is it just ecm or other forms of ewar? Is it only neutral repping thats not allowed or is it all forms of logistics? How active is rvb? Is it fun ? whats the skill base like? and whats the fc's like ? thanks for all ure help
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.10 17:18:00 - [17] If you want near instant action PVP in a casual friendly environment. Then RVB is for you. As long as you are willing to abide by a few simple rules, No podding Red or Blue Pilots, No midslot ECM (that's strictly ECM modules other EWAR is allowed) oh there is an exception to the no ECM rule. You can use midslot ECM if you are on your HQ stations grid. No neutral RR when fighting the opposing team. No fighting opposing team when Purple is on (combined fleet usually for Low/null roams and actions against 3rd party war targets). Also it is important to note that non of those rules apply when dealing with 3rd party war targets. We will use neutral RR on ourselves while we jam you and shoot your pod. There are a number of upsides. Unless we're facing a significant 3rd party threat you can generally get away with wearing your expensive implants so you can keep your training rates up. No politics, No worries about keeping track of lists of friendlies and hostiles. If you can shoot them they are red simple as that. Unlike faction warfare you're faction standings are safe as is your sec status (assuming you don't roam low shooting neutrals which would probably be a less than good idea since we are based in Highsec. Also unlike FW no one is going to accuse you of being a spy if you only log on once a week or if you disappear for a month. You can come and go as you please. Join up fight for a day or a week or month or what ever. Need more ISK? drop corp and go farm missions until you can afford more stuff to blow up, then join back up and do it all over again. (Or you could just hop 4 jumps over to Dodixie and Ninja missions like some of our less reputable folks do). Want a measure of how much action you can see. Take a look at my killboard 57 of my kills and 14 of my losses were in the last 7 days and I tend to play anywhere from 2 to 4 hours a night. Now some nights will be busier or deader than others. But in general you can find someone to pew pew with any time you want. Hell I got a request for a 1v1 when I logged on this morning to update my skill queue. I think if what you want is instant action casual PVP in EVE you really can't beat RVB. Sure you won't get the big 300 man Cap Blobs but you will learn a lot about small scale PVP, Aggro mechanics and most importantly you'll be able to work through your combat shakes in an environment where you're expensive implants aren't at dire risk, So that when you do go join a regular PVP corp you won't freeze up the first time you warp into a giant red blob of hostile pilots.
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.10 18:14:00 - [18] dam. I think you may have actually swung me towards rvb for my alts pvp fix >.< few more questions. Which systems is rvb based out off? How far away are the 2 home systems from each other? please could you clarify neutral repping. Do you mean boycotting all RR or just RR from a 3rd party corp/alliance? Other than that it all sounds pretty good :)
Johan Sabbat Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.10 18:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Johan Sabbat on 10/05/2010 18:36:44 Wow, That was an advert... Red is based in Tourier, Blue in Alentene two jumps apart. Neutral repping, means a neutral (to RvB) repping an active RvB player (eg someone in a starter corp repping you). Another RvB player repping you is acceptable (as they are likely to be targetted first).
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.10 18:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Mova B dam. I think you may have actually swung me towards rvb for my alts pvp fix >.< few more questions. Which systems is rvb based out off? How far away are the 2 home systems from each other? please could you clarify neutral repping. Do you mean boycotting all RR or just RR from a 3rd party corp/alliance? Other than that it all sounds pretty good :) Join R-V-B channel for full details but our operations are in Verge Vendor. Red Federation HQ is in Tourier Blue HQ in Allentene they are 2 jumps away from each other with two available pipes for travel either through Alenia or Meroles. We're about 4 jumps from Dodixie and 15 or so from Jita so logistics isn't too awful Plus we got some people who seed the market with modules and ships including some who do it real cheap since they want to keep people in the pew pew. On the Neutral RR question. It's not allowed when dealing with the opposing team so say you're a member of Blue Republic and are fighting Red Federation pilots it isn't allowed. However if it's against one of the 3rd party war targets that for some strange reason will decide they want to war dec us then the gloves come off completely and we'll use ever tool available. And yes by neutral RR we mean just from an out of corp character if you want to do RR inside the corp it's a matter up to the discretion of the FC of a particular fleet. The thing to remember is that it's all about fun fights so in general anything that discourages fun fights is frowned upon though only outright banned in the case of midslot ECM, Podding and Neutral RR. There are some additional restrictions that generally apply to arranged fleet fights. Don't ship up beyond what the FC calls for, No reshipping if you get popped you can't go back to base and grab another ship until that particular engagement is over (I usually warp off then back too 100km in my pod to watch the rest of the battle) you will need comms we tend to use EVE Voice since it's the easiest to set up in a hurry. You don't need to talk but you need to be able to hear. These additional restrictions only apply to arranged fleet battles. You can solo roam to your hearts content. Basically don't be a whiner and don't be a douche and you'll do fine. The proper attitude to take is that ships exist to be blown up. If your ship survives it's first insurance contract in RVB you're probably doing it wrong ;) Since it's an alt you can ignore this next bit of advice but for the lurkers I further recommend leaving your expensive mission ships behind so you can avoid the temptation to break out that CNR or Navy domi in a fit of nerdrage and get it popped too. Remember it's all about the fun. You're going to kill and be killed a lot. We try to keep the fights pretty even so you'll probably die a lot especially at first while you get a handle on how to survive. So plan accordingly. Expect to always return to base in a pod and look at any time your ship survives as a bonus. Look forward to seeing you either in corp or under my guns.
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.10 18:54:00 - [21] :D all sounds like what i was looking for. So when people use their t1 cruisers is the standard to t1 fit them or t2 fit them and is t2 usage common ? how many people are involved in RvB and whats the average amount of people active online at one time ?
DSM20T Obsidian Ridge INC	Posted - 2010.05.10 19:49:00 - [22] I'm beginning to get the feeling that you keep asking questions to keep a ninja recruitment post for RVB going. I've never been in RVB but I did war dec them with my one man corp for awhile because my main's corp had died off for a few weeks and there was nothing to do. In my experience there was always people on willing for a fight. Unlike most wt's they aren't afraid to undock and fight even if there is a chance they could lose their ship!! I had a good bit of fun for a couple weeks fighting them in cheap ships(a lot of the members fly tech1 fit non rigged cruisers/frigs). So yeah, I think RVB is what you're looking for.
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.10 21:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Skex Relbore on 10/05/2010 21:52:51 Originally by: DSM20T I'm beginning to get the feeling that you keep asking questions to keep a ninja recruitment post for RVB going. To the best of my knowledge that isn't what's going on here but now that you mention it that's a hell of idea I think I'll suggest it on the boards ;) Quote: I've never been in RVB but I did war dec them with my one man corp for awhile because my main's corp had died off for a few weeks and there was nothing to do. In my experience there was always people on willing for a fight. Unlike most wt's they aren't afraid to undock and fight even if there is a chance they could lose their ship!! I had a good bit of fun for a couple weeks fighting them in cheap ships(a lot of the members fly tech1 fit non rigged cruisers/frigs). So yeah, I think RVB is what you're looking for. Well that is what we're here for. If we didn't want to fight we'd have just stayed in Carebear corps's ;) To answer the OP's questions. Most people fly T1 Frig's and cruisers with a smattering of BC pulled out from time to time. Many of us have BS's on tap in fact we were doing some station games last night with Blue's that involved some heavier hardware. As far as fittings go it really comes down to the skill's and bankrolls of the pilots involved. Most of us do use some T2 mods and a few of the richer are known to us faction stuff too. It's a judgement call on the part of the individual pilot. On the one had t1 fittings means any losses are negligible. on the other hand using cheap t1 fittings makes it more likely that you will lose and lose early. I generally suggest bringing lots of isk because it's very addictive and you can escalate your fits real quick. I mean that rifter may only cost a couple hundred K to buy but once you put rigs on it and T2 fittings pretty soon that 200k Rifter is costing you 10 mill when it pops. Generally just apply rule 1 of EVE. Only fly what you can afford to lose.
Mova B	Posted - 2010.05.11 16:14:00 - [24] lol no im not a Rvb recruiter at all :P im genuinely an alt looking for somewhere to get some casuaul pew. Thanks everyone for the information you have given. Anyone willing to try and convince me to go into FW instead ? or is rvb better for the casual pew pew?
Titus Phook Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.11 17:15:00 - [25] Well I don't know about anyone else, but after reading that lot and some foraging around on the RvB forums both my self and a fellow corpmate are looking at putting a couple of alts into RvB just for the PVP experience, life in a wh gets a little boring, we need casual pewpew to spice life up a bit. :)

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