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Cheap killmail	Posted - 2010.05.10 12:57:00 - [1] I would like the option for the ability to use a PLEX to buy a attribute remap. Its win, win... I get to undo the mistakes of my past, CCP gets more of mah cash, the poor sap I bought the plex off gets more isk for his real money as their is more demand for PLEX. Yes, I am well aware that some people may feel abused paying 400+ mill to play each month but, well, I really don't care.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.05.10 13:18:00 - [2] what a new idea! (not) and as it has been said in all other threads ... eve is a world of decisions and consequences. not supported.
Cheap killmail	Posted - 2010.05.10 13:39:00 - [3] and is there any reason why skill remapping is the one thing that Cant be changed with an infusion of isk? Seriously, at the moment I can jump a 25,000 ton behemoth 10 light-years in the blink of an eye, build station and rent space far from the prying eyes of Concord, all with isk. The ONLY unalterable facet of this is the attribute remap and even CCP totally broke canon with that as you can do it twice inside of a day when you make a new character (not that you would want to). Your reply, leaves no argument against except that old 'because the answer was 'no' in the past' rubbish that gets paraded out whenever change occurs by the die hard traditionalists who are normally made obsolete. I ask because I see no reason not to, your reply gave no reasoned argument so I will respectfully ignore it. In the past CCP has funded an entire evefest experience with plex as a payment option for even the flights and hotel stay, you cannot tell me that they would not be interested in exploring other avenues for business. Because, believe it or not, CCP is a business and not your personal game company.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 14:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Cheap killmail Your reply, leaves no argument against except that old 'because the answer was 'no' in the past' rubbish that gets paraded out whenever change occurs by the die hard traditionalists who are normally made obsolete. I ask because I see no reason not to, your reply gave no reasoned argument so I will respectfully ignore it. - Refuse to examine existing reasoned arguments - Offer no reasoned arguments as to how this idea differs from previous iterations - Demand new reasoned arguments from anyone opposed, just for you No. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Nocturnal Prince von Dutch Enterprises G String University	Posted - 2010.05.10 14:51:00 - [5] Well, I like the idea. Oh, and Im not sure it is an old idea (without obviously going through every inch of 7 years worth of forum backlog.) as its not actually listed in the commonly proposed features and the closest feature (listed as skill cleansing) is based on trading in unused skill points for another skill with isk as the transfer mechanism. Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Cheap killmail Your reply, leaves no argument against except that old 'because the answer was 'no' in the past' rubbish that gets paraded out whenever change occurs by the die hard traditionalists who are normally made obsolete. I ask because I see no reason not to, your reply gave no reasoned argument so I will respectfully ignore it. - Refuse to examine existing reasoned arguments - Offer no reasoned arguments as to how this idea differs from previous iterations - Demand new reasoned arguments from anyone opposed, just for you No. I am actually unsure as to what you are saying here. Are you attempting to refute the OP without the hassle of correct sentence structure or are you listing your faults in a handy way so other posters don't have to? /confused
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Nocturnal Prince attempting to refute the OP There is nothing to refute. That is the point. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Nocturnal Prince von Dutch Enterprises G String University	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:22:00 - [7] Ok, well.... Ignoring the trolls without any argument, valid or not... I would like to take this a step further and suggest that you could also use a PLEX to buy a month of skill training speed boost like the newbie 100% bonus time. Given an older character already should have decent learning skills and the original newbie period was to aid them in getting over the learning skills hurdle without it becoming overly mundane, I would suggest that two weeks would be a fair return for the price of one PLEX. Yes, it lets people with real world wealth buy more game advantage. However, if this bothers you I won't point out that people with more wealth already have been using their advantage ingame for 7 years as they just used more charicters. Oops, kinda blew that illusion for you. My bad.
Bresch	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Bresch on 10/05/2010 15:22:09 I'd agree that the 12month wait is a bit too much..id rather settle for 6months.. but I would not agree with implementing what you're suggesting simply because you're not suppose to be able to remapp every other month.. there has to be a limit somewhere. kinda like too much of the good stuff makes it bad :p
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Ok, well.... Ignoring the trolls without any argument, valid or not... The last resort of the man with no counterpoint. Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Given an older character already should have decent learning skills and the original newbie period was to aid them in getting over the learning skills hurdle without it becoming overly mundane, I would suggest that two weeks would be a fair return for the price of one PLEX. - The bonus points/bonus time was added in response to the fact that the original number of SP you started with was pathetic compared to the number of skills now in EVE. - There is no learning skills hurdle, contrary to popular belief Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Yes, it lets people with real world wealth buy more game advantage. However, if this bothers you I won't point out that people with more wealth already have been using their advantage ingame for 7 years as they just used more charicters. Oops, kinda blew that illusion for you. Then why don't we go the whole way and make EVE microtransaction based? - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Nocturnal Prince von Dutch Enterprises G String University	Posted - 2010.05.10 15:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Crumplecorn Then why don't we go the whole way and make EVE microtransaction based? Nice suggestion, its about the only successful MMO that doesn't have some form of micro transaction system in place. Not counting the fact that you need the micro transaction for character transfer. Oh, and for when you want to buy isk... sorry PLEX... Ok, so besides the fact that eve has had micro transaction for years its a good idea. I just agree that there should be more option in the micro transactions on offer.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 16:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 10/05/2010 16:17:16 Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Ok, so besides the fact that eve has had micro transaction for years its a good idea. Being able to buy one in-game item for money and then trade it is still a step away from true microtransactions. And it only exists because it cannot be avoided anyway. In fact, is there any microtransaction-style feature in EVE which isn't only there because it is impossible to prevent? I don't think there is, except portrait swaps, which have no material effect on the game. CCP don't want the game to be RL money dependant (subscription notwithstanding obviously). Out of necessity they allow certain things in order to regulate them. This idea is not necessary. And it undermines the skill system. And blah blah read the previous threads. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Nocturnal Prince von Dutch Enterprises G String University	Posted - 2010.05.10 16:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Nocturnal Prince on 10/05/2010 16:48:25 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 10/05/2010 16:17:16 Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Ok, so besides the fact that eve has had micro transaction for years its a good idea. Being able to buy one in-game item for money and then trade it is still a step away from true microtransactions. And it only exists because it cannot be avoided anyway. In fact, is there any microtransaction-style feature in EVE which isn't only there because it is impossible to prevent? I don't think there is, except portrait swaps, which have no material effect on the game. So, besides the point that you already contradicted yourself with the portrait swap. Yes, character transfers, please explain how those are 100% mandatory to gameplay or impossible to avoid? Originally by: Crumplecorn CCP don't want the game to be RL money dependant (subscription notwithstanding obviously). Out of necessity they allow certain things in order to regulate them. This idea is not necessary. And it undermines the skill system. And blah blah read the previous threads. So why do they allow the whole PLEX to isk thing? In fact, there would be no reason for PLEX to exist if the intention wasn't there to allow real money to buy in-game items. Your argument is like your Kung Fu. Weak, young Grasshopper.
Bresch	Posted - 2010.05.10 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Edited by: Nocturnal Prince on 10/05/2010 16:48:25 Originally by: Crumplecorn CCP don't want the game to be RL money dependant (subscription notwithstanding obviously). Out of necessity they allow certain things in order to regulate them. This idea is not necessary. And it undermines the skill system. And blah blah read the previous threads. So why do they allow the whole PLEX to isk thing? In fact, there would be no reason for PLEX to exist if the intention wasn't there to allow real money to buy in-game items. Your argument is like your Kung Fu. Weak, young Grasshopper. It works vice versa to in a way
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.10 17:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Nocturnal Prince So, besides the point that you already contradicted yourself with the portrait swap. No contradiction, just one exception, and a qualified exception at that. Quote: character transfers [...] impossible to avoid ebay Originally by: Crumplecorn In fact, there would be no reason for PLEX to exist if the intention wasn't there to allow real money to buy in-game items. Read the post you just quoted once more. Then, see above. Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Your argument is like your Kung Fu. Weak, young Grasshopper. Witty retorts are for those who haven't failed to read the post they are responding to. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.10 18:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Cheap killmail I would like the option for the ability to use a PLEX to buy a attribute remap. Its win, win... I get to undo the mistakes of my past, CCP gets more of mah cash, the poor sap I bought the plex off gets more isk for his real money as their is more demand for PLEX. Yes, I am well aware that some people may feel abused paying 400+ mill to play each month but, well, I really don't care. Newbies already get 1x extra remap for the first year, to offset any mistakes they might have made. After that, if they keep messing it up, well, consider the remap an IQ-threshold. Not supported. -- "Gorgeous, delicious, deculture!"
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.05.10 19:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Nocturnal Prince Ok, well.... Ignoring the trolls without any argument, valid or not... I would like to take this a step further and suggest that you could also use a PLEX to buy a month of skill training speed boost like the newbie 100% bonus time. Given an older character already should have decent learning skills and the original newbie period was to aid them in getting over the learning skills hurdle without it becoming overly mundane, I would suggest that two weeks would be a fair return for the price of one PLEX. Yes, it lets people with real world wealth buy more game advantage. However, if this bothers you I won't point out that people with more wealth already have been using their advantage ingame for 7 years as they just used more charicters. Oops, kinda blew that illusion for you. My bad. no why would u break eve. buying skill training time is horrible -------------SIGZONE-------------- Remove Shadow.... ;)
Napro Caldari Buccaneers of New Eden death from above..	Posted - 2010.05.10 19:16:00 - [17] This is what happens when you give customers an inch, they demand a mile. When I started playing there was no such thing as "remaps" or "double sp". It simply did not exist. I hope CCP finally takes a stand and stops trying to appease the LCD of their customer base. It's just going to lead to more and more outlandish demands.


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