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Bonnie Parker	Posted - 2004.12.05 19:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 05/12/2004 19:59:16 Originally by: ChironV What if CCP is not willing to aggressively close the ebay isk sellers down because they are linked to mass macro miners who have 20 to 30 accounts. Thats alot of money per month to ban. So the question becomes is the money more important than the spirit of the game? I'd bet that isn't a million miles from the truth. Money is the bottom line - no matter what anyone says or thinks. CCP are in this for the money - nothing more. And to ban such multiple accounts is a lot of money to give up. Maybe if they had 150,000 accounts they could afford to?
Bonnie Parker	Posted - 2004.12.05 19:54:00 - [32] Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 05/12/2004 19:59:16 Originally by: ChironV What if CCP is not willing to aggressively close the ebay isk sellers down because they are linked to mass macro miners who have 20 to 30 accounts. Thats alot of money per month to ban. So the question becomes is the money more important than the spirit of the game? I'd bet that isn't a million miles from the truth. Money is the bottom line - no matter what anyone says or thinks. CCP are in this for the money - nothing more. And to ban such multiple accounts is a lot of money to give up. Maybe if they had 150,000 accounts they could afford to?
Basileus	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Bonnie Parker Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 05/12/2004 19:59:16 Originally by: ChironV What if CCP is not willing to aggressively close the ebay isk sellers down because they are linked to mass macro miners who have 20 to 30 accounts. Thats alot of money per month to ban. So the question becomes is the money more important than the spirit of the game? I'd bet that isn't a million miles from the truth. Money is the bottom line - no matter what anyone says or thinks. CCP are in this for the money - nothing more. And to ban such multiple accounts is a lot of money to give up. Maybe if they had 150,000 accounts they could afford to? Yup. That most likely is why the macro miners can continue to cheat.
Basileus	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Bonnie Parker Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 05/12/2004 19:59:16 Originally by: ChironV What if CCP is not willing to aggressively close the ebay isk sellers down because they are linked to mass macro miners who have 20 to 30 accounts. Thats alot of money per month to ban. So the question becomes is the money more important than the spirit of the game? I'd bet that isn't a million miles from the truth. Money is the bottom line - no matter what anyone says or thinks. CCP are in this for the money - nothing more. And to ban such multiple accounts is a lot of money to give up. Maybe if they had 150,000 accounts they could afford to? Yup. That most likely is why the macro miners can continue to cheat.
Chucky	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:10:00 - [35] Rather then whine about marco miners, do something about it. Names and places is a good start, calling in a anti-marco squad is a good follow up. A fast ship can ram ships away from there cans. Push them off grid (so the name disapears) and you may be able loot or shoot. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Chucky	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:10:00 - [36] Rather then whine about marco miners, do something about it. Names and places is a good start, calling in a anti-marco squad is a good follow up. A fast ship can ram ships away from there cans. Push them off grid (so the name disapears) and you may be able loot or shoot. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Valan	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:24:00 - [37] If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars.
Valan	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:24:00 - [38] If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars.
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Valan If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars. thats called entrapment and its illeagal. --- hey check out my boredom: LOOK --- ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Valan If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars. thats called entrapment and its illeagal. --- hey check out my boredom: LOOK --- ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:28:00 - [41] I agree that ebay selling of Isk is against the spirit of the game, but I cant fault ppl who use macros to mine. What else you gonna do, sit there and move ore every 30 seconds? Have you ever TRIED to do that for a couple hours without falling asleep? I have no problem with someone watching TV while their program performs the actions, I draw the line at having 2+ accounts sitting there with macros mining/hauling/refining and so forth. Personally I think macromining just bothers some ppl because THEY didn't think to do it, and now they feel like chumps for having mined the hard way. Also alot of "pirates" have a problem with ANYBODY mining in safety.
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:28:00 - [42] I agree that ebay selling of Isk is against the spirit of the game, but I cant fault ppl who use macros to mine. What else you gonna do, sit there and move ore every 30 seconds? Have you ever TRIED to do that for a couple hours without falling asleep? I have no problem with someone watching TV while their program performs the actions, I draw the line at having 2+ accounts sitting there with macros mining/hauling/refining and so forth. Personally I think macromining just bothers some ppl because THEY didn't think to do it, and now they feel like chumps for having mined the hard way. Also alot of "pirates" have a problem with ANYBODY mining in safety.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:28:00 - [43] We're not talking about small change here either - 1 bill is selling for 260 UK pounds (around $550 US). With time to go and 25 bidders, expect this to go up. CCP really need to clamp down on this - there were 37 different auctions when I looked, including around 50% Buy Nows, so God only knows just how many other Buy Nows there were. Buying a Megathron would cost around 45 quid which makes a mockery of anyone else actually trying to play the game and I noticed an account for sale too. The only winners here would be the griefers and wannabe pirates who never had to struggle to get their BS - something that neither the carebears or the pirates/PVP'ers would want to see unless they're the ones buying or selling. I would call on CCP to stamp down on this if you want players to continue to trust in the system - paying RL money for ISK is a bad thing - it encourages players to spend money that might have been spent on another EVE account for one thing... instead, these ebay sellers are gathering it - they must be making more money than they're spending on accounts... Please CCP... end the profiteering?
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:28:00 - [44] We're not talking about small change here either - 1 bill is selling for 260 UK pounds (around $550 US). With time to go and 25 bidders, expect this to go up. CCP really need to clamp down on this - there were 37 different auctions when I looked, including around 50% Buy Nows, so God only knows just how many other Buy Nows there were. Buying a Megathron would cost around 45 quid which makes a mockery of anyone else actually trying to play the game and I noticed an account for sale too. The only winners here would be the griefers and wannabe pirates who never had to struggle to get their BS - something that neither the carebears or the pirates/PVP'ers would want to see unless they're the ones buying or selling. I would call on CCP to stamp down on this if you want players to continue to trust in the system - paying RL money for ISK is a bad thing - it encourages players to spend money that might have been spent on another EVE account for one thing... instead, these ebay sellers are gathering it - they must be making more money than they're spending on accounts... Please CCP... end the profiteering?
ChironV	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Valan If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars. Thats entrapment and fraud. That is unlawfull. The only way for CCP to do this is to find the ebay sellers who sell the most goods. Easy to do. A GM buys some isk from them and then traces that account that gives him the isk. See if that person has multiple accounts and watch them. If they macro mine or engage in other bannable offences then ban them. They can always trace where the money came from and who owns what accounts in RL. However I think the money coming in from the multiple accounts is too lucrative for CCP. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
ChironV	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Valan If I were CCP I would do the following. Instead of buying the ISK or the item and then banning them. I would put billions of ISK on at a cheap price, the pro ebayer wouldn't be able to resist and buy it. Take his money then ban him, extra income for CCP to keep the game running. Could also sell smaller amounts to actually put off buyers, don't ban them just give them a warning and suspension. This will remove demand on ebay. Thing is, getting rid of the ebay trade altogether may actually lose players. Its not done other games any harm. Not all people want to be a hardcore gamer and are happy to get ahead by spending a few dollars. Thats entrapment and fraud. That is unlawfull. The only way for CCP to do this is to find the ebay sellers who sell the most goods. Easy to do. A GM buys some isk from them and then traces that account that gives him the isk. See if that person has multiple accounts and watch them. If they macro mine or engage in other bannable offences then ban them. They can always trace where the money came from and who owns what accounts in RL. However I think the money coming in from the multiple accounts is too lucrative for CCP. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
ChironV	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie I agree that ebay selling of Isk is against the spirit of the game, but I cant fault ppl who use macros to mine. What else you gonna do, sit there and move ore every 30 seconds? Have you ever TRIED to do that for a couple hours without falling asleep? I have no problem with someone watching TV while their program performs the actions, I draw the line at having 2+ accounts sitting there with macros mining/hauling/refining and so forth. Personally I think macromining just bothers some ppl because THEY didn't think to do it, and now they feel like chumps for having mined the hard way. Also alot of "pirates" have a problem with ANYBODY mining in safety. That is why I use a mining barge. I can set it to mine and watch the tube while keeping an eye out for any rats who get through my corp mates defences. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
ChironV	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie I agree that ebay selling of Isk is against the spirit of the game, but I cant fault ppl who use macros to mine. What else you gonna do, sit there and move ore every 30 seconds? Have you ever TRIED to do that for a couple hours without falling asleep? I have no problem with someone watching TV while their program performs the actions, I draw the line at having 2+ accounts sitting there with macros mining/hauling/refining and so forth. Personally I think macromining just bothers some ppl because THEY didn't think to do it, and now they feel like chumps for having mined the hard way. Also alot of "pirates" have a problem with ANYBODY mining in safety. That is why I use a mining barge. I can set it to mine and watch the tube while keeping an eye out for any rats who get through my corp mates defences. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
Aurelie Passero	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:41:00 - [49] Not done any other games harm? I've heard stories about shards being crushed economically because of this type of thing -- and there was something about Lineage 2...?
Aurelie Passero	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:41:00 - [50] Not done any other games harm? I've heard stories about shards being crushed economically because of this type of thing -- and there was something about Lineage 2...?
infused	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:45:00 - [51] Ok guys, i'll let you in on something... Most people who macro mine (Moving isk to can) do not do it to sell it. They just hate moving the ore for 2-3 hours. These guys are not really a problem, as they have to lock new astroids when one is depleted and make new cans. However, there is a program out there that im not going to name which does much more than this. You have to pay for this program, around $50us dollars. This program can go out to astroid field, scan for rocks and start mining. Move the isk to a can, make a new can when it's full. It will then go back to a station, get your indy, go pickup the ore, bring it back, reprocess it and sell it... These are the people who are selling on ebay, no the macro guys that move it to another can. I'll tell you this, there are many people using that program, and they use it everyday. You can also make it respond in a channel or to a chat request, as this is the way CPP catches them, by sending them chat requests. So bascially, these people are never caught. I don't care about the isk to can guys, but these people using that program do need to be stoped. My suggestion for CPP would be to scan the programs API when it starts, or at intervals to catch it, or scan for the .exd name loaded to the size of the executable. Any thoughts? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
infused	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:45:00 - [52] Ok guys, i'll let you in on something... Most people who macro mine (Moving isk to can) do not do it to sell it. They just hate moving the ore for 2-3 hours. These guys are not really a problem, as they have to lock new astroids when one is depleted and make new cans. However, there is a program out there that im not going to name which does much more than this. You have to pay for this program, around $50us dollars. This program can go out to astroid field, scan for rocks and start mining. Move the isk to a can, make a new can when it's full. It will then go back to a station, get your indy, go pickup the ore, bring it back, reprocess it and sell it... These are the people who are selling on ebay, no the macro guys that move it to another can. I'll tell you this, there are many people using that program, and they use it everyday. You can also make it respond in a channel or to a chat request, as this is the way CPP catches them, by sending them chat requests. So bascially, these people are never caught. I don't care about the isk to can guys, but these people using that program do need to be stoped. My suggestion for CPP would be to scan the programs API when it starts, or at intervals to catch it, or scan for the .exd name loaded to the size of the executable. Any thoughts? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Basileus	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:49:00 - [53] Originally by: infused However, there is a program out there that im not going to name which does much more than this. You have to pay for this program, around $50us dollars.... Any thoughts? Here's one. Inform CCP about it, tell them where the program can be bought and who is selling it. Maybe this will help (a bit)?
Basileus	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:49:00 - [54] Originally by: infused However, there is a program out there that im not going to name which does much more than this. You have to pay for this program, around $50us dollars.... Any thoughts? Here's one. Inform CCP about it, tell them where the program can be bought and who is selling it. Maybe this will help (a bit)?
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:49:00 - [55] Another thing I noticed about those auctions - they're using CCP's graphics, including the EVE logo. If nothing else, they're guilty of using copyrighted material without permission.
Sokudo	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:49:00 - [56] Another thing I noticed about those auctions - they're using CCP's graphics, including the EVE logo. If nothing else, they're guilty of using copyrighted material without permission.
Aurelie Passero	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:50:00 - [57] I think we'd enjoy a comment by CCP on this to the effect of: "We're working on it -- both with GMs and new code" or something. ;) sends out the kieron signal
Aurelie Passero	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:50:00 - [58] I think we'd enjoy a comment by CCP on this to the effect of: "We're working on it -- both with GMs and new code" or something. ;) sends out the kieron signal
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:52:00 - [59] i would say CCP should sue this site:Linkage ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.05 20:52:00 - [60] i would say CCP should sue this site:Linkage ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------- Linkage

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