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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.05.14 15:58:00 -
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I just noticed this statement in the latest EVE Gate dev blog.
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Our plan is to eventually offer everything on EVE Gate that you can do in game apart from explorations in space and blowing stuff up.
Right, there's that beasty word "eventually" in there. And, of course, no time frame given.
But that pretty much sounds as if station traders might be able to uninstall their EVE client. 
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.05.14 16:08:00 -
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Cue the bots.
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Cista2
Borealis Innovations
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Posted - 2010.05.14 18:35:00 -
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But why would I desire to uninstall my client? I like my client.
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.05.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
But why would I desire to uninstall my client? I like my client.
Soon you'll be saying "Eve has a client?"
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.05.14 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/05/2010 19:26:06
I have mixed emotions about EVE Gate... as long as it doesn't allow people to play when they can't log in I have no problem with it. But if they make it able to manipulate market orders from outside the game it's WAY to easy for people to bot without CCP having any means of detection. I really don't like that idea, as nice as it would be to be able to manage market orders off-line I think it's far too easy to abuse.
I only dabble in the market... but even so the .01 isk wars are annoying enough with just the players logged in. It'll just be a nightmare if everyone and their dog can play 0.01 isk wars from a web browser.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.14 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Cue the bots.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
The Knights Who Say Pew
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Posted - 2010.05.14 20:25:00 -
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I'm not a big fan of this EVE-gate thingy but afraid it is inevitable. PPL will keep demanding things like this and I think EVE will not be the only MMO in the future that will have this feature.
Doesn't mean I have to like it though, afraid it will turn EVE into a browsergame for me :P
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.05.14 20:48:00 -
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I'm skeptical of EVE Gate, too. Not because of bots, but because of my general disliking of social network sites.
I don't think bots will be more a problem with EVE Gate than without it. If you really don't care about the EULA, it doesn't matter if you need to figure out some window handles + SendMessage(s) to simulate clicks or sent some HTTP post requests.
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D Spectre
Celtic Infusion Army
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.05.14 20:56:00 -
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On the upside i'll have something to do all day at work now.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.05.14 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: D Spectre
On the upside i'll have something to do all day at work now.
You don't have EVE running in Window mode in the background in your office??
Hell I have EVE running on a second monitor and my Boss knows it, he said "As long as you do your work, I don't care if you have your game window open." After all he would a hypocrite because he has WOW running on his computer, and I know it, and he knows I know.
Extortion FTW
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
he has WOW running on his computer, and I know it, and he knows I know.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
he has WOW running on his computer,
You need to convert him!
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.14 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
You need to convert him!
Sometimes educating your boss is not, NOT, in your own best interest.
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Captain Tavius
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2010.05.15 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Breaker77
You need to convert him!
Sometimes educating your boss is not, NOT, in your own best interest.
Breaker meant convert him with a baseball bat.. head trauma does wonders if you hit the right part.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.15 05:56:00 -
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What if you can modify market orders... but not see the market itself  Imagine the loss undercutting with 0.02 when only 0.01 was needed!!!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.05.15 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
What if you can modify market orders... but not see the market itself
That's the way I'd do it :) Sure, you can check your wallet, create and accept contracts, post new orders, manipulate existing ones. But who says the contract or buy/sell markets have to be visible outside the client?
Damned EVE forums already take up too much of my waking day :\
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.05.15 10:07:00 -
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To me there is already a sort of Eve Gate. Eve Commander. It lets me check all my orders, industry stuff, let's me see my trade performance as well as char info (training etc.).
Ofcourse you can't alter info with eve commander.
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Yiulian
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Posted - 2010.05.15 11:02:00 -
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When IGN did the preview of Tyrannis a while ago they also mentioned EVE Gate (apparently referred to as 'Spacebook' in the offices of CCP). They mentioned that although there are plans to make information visible from the outside through Gate, they had no intention of ever allowing the game to be manipulated from anything other than the game client.
Which makes perfect sense for a lot of reasons, mainly the ease of using bots.
Another thought tho: If they allow access to market info from outside the client, wouldn't there be a risk of the trade game changing dramatically due to the possibity of gaining a much greater amount of information for analysis without much effort. I mean if you can just pull xml's or something from the web and run them through an analyser, you can then easily spot trade opportunities.
Right now that kind of (reliable) info is still hard to come by and takes effort.
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Ivy Brookdale
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Posted - 2010.05.15 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras
To me there is already a sort of Eve Gate. Eve Commander. It lets me check all my orders, industry stuff, let's me see my trade performance as well as char info (training etc.).
Ofcourse you can't alter info with eve commander.
Theres one potential problem. As soon as Gate starts to get into direct competition with existing 3rd party apps, the future of EVE API based 3rd party tools will be questionable. Its an unequal fight in case the Gate team has access to more powerful interfaces than the rest of us. Of course whether products like EVE Commander will further be available will mostly depend on the personal motivation of the owner. But don't expect every 3rd party developer to continue to spend much of his personal time on his project with Gate looming ahead and "offering everything".
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.05.16 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Cue the bots.
6000+ bots just caught by Unholy Rage means there are a lot of bots out there that can undock, fly to another systems, run missions and mine, and return. I believe that m*cr* software would find it much, much easier to read some text on the market screen. Perhaps there are even one or two in Jita atm?
Besides, CCP currently rewards bot behavior in the marketplace with profits coming from how ofter you play the 0.01 ISK game. That is a solvable problem. CCP could dramatically reduce this behavior anytime they wanted and to date has not bothered.
I don't see why any of the existing market bots would convert over to using EVE Gate. Nor do i see why many who have not been motivated to do market bots before now will suddenly decide to. And if they do decide to b*t, then I would expect the existing b*t solutions might be a more robust way to go until EVE Gate is debugged more.
Originally by: Ivy Brookdale
Originally by: clixoras
To me there is already a sort of Eve Gate. Eve Commander. It lets me check all my orders, industry stuff, let's me see my trade performance as well as char info (training etc.).
Ofcourse you can't alter info with eve commander.
Theres one potential problem. As soon as Gate starts to get into direct competition with existing 3rd party apps, the future of EVE API based 3rd party tools will be questionable. Its an unequal fight in case the Gate team has access to more powerful interfaces than the rest of us. Of course whether products like EVE Commander will further be available will mostly depend on the personal motivation of the owner. But don't expect every 3rd party developer to continue to spend much of his personal time on his project with Gate looming ahead and "offering everything".
It is already an unequal fight in that CCP controls the data and could at any time prohibit (or prevent it being charged for) any third party apo. So you can't justify investing much in a business that is just one new CCP MBA or lawyer hire away from being prohibited. So it is just volunteer enthusiasts;
OTOH, let's be polite and just say that a sophisticated, modern UI has not been a priority for CCP to date and thus there is considerable opportunity for third parties to address.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.05.16 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Cue the bots.
6000+ bots just caught by Unholy Rage means there are a lot of bots out there that can undock, fly to another systems, run missions and mine, and return. I believe that m*cr* software would find it much, much easier to read some text on the market screen. Perhaps there are even one or two in Jita atm?
Wasn't the unholy rage focused on mining and missioning bots?
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Rosenoern
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Posted - 2010.05.16 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rosenoern on 16/05/2010 19:46:55
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Damned EVE forums already take up too much of my waking day :\
You still sleep?
You aren't gonna miss it... I don't
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