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Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:41:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Caroline Cosmos wrote:I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up. That will be epic some day because fight our own friends will be a hell of a real challenge, witch is completely different from what 319 is today ( a total joke)
Oh come now. Nobody here are really friends now are we? Space associates, maybe... Friends? Not really. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:42:00 -
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Katie Corb wrote:Oh, the doomsdays on the station gaming carriers. So good.
Escalation call for escalation, that simple. We might nor agree on some terms but when things happen you get a single voice man talking over your chest, like it or not, you can denie it, it's the most honourable action from eve players able put aside whatever differences to achieve a common goal.
That's null sec, love it or hate it, goons will leave their footprint forever and there's noting that can ever match this large scale common interest (glue) that makes every one at some point agree with each other.
You can hate things you're not aware, you can hate things you disagree but at the end of the line, you'll understand there's no other way to make "game player content " be as relevant as it is and probably will ever be.
Just a thought from a non senseless NPC alt. brb |

Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:43:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Katie Corb wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote: My counterpoint would be that they can't both have an enormous advantage and expect people to fight against their advantage. They can't both have their cake and eat it, so to speak.
You guys wouldn't undock regardless of our fleet comp or advantage. That happened in a multitude of fleets I was in. So you don't bring overwhelming odds from nearby systems the minute one of your ships dips into armor? Don't answer. I wouldn't know because none of your fleets have stayed undocked long enough to dip me below 75% shields |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:48:00 -
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I hate to break it to you guys, but "You refused to undock to fight us while we took your sov" is kind of an unbeatable trump card. Spin it all you want, but in the end that's going to be how we see it. Sorry  |

Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:52:00 -
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That being said, I -really- like the sound of the sov gained thing. |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.07.13 22:54:00 -
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We are going to look so foolish when we run out of fuel and moral. |

Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
790
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:02:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:Long post
So basically what you are saying is that if -A- didn't get involved in this then TEST would have never ever called for GSF help and would have accepted whatever defeat that might come? As if TEST had absolutely no interest in taking Delve and the surrounding regions by whatever means necessary?
I will concede that -A- involvement was a real sweetener when convincing the GSF to get involved, but sooner or later they would get involved anyway.
I won't get into a discussion about the merit of -A- involvement in this because my alliance's diplomat already hates me as it is. But don't expect people to believe that you only wanted goodfights and were only going to give as good as you got. You wanted to take everything the minute you saw the opportunity.
Come to think of, everyone knows that. I have no idea why i am stating the obvious here. I must be more bored than i initiatlly thought =) The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |

Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:04:00 -
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Delve is where Alliances go to die. We just want it so we can die in Amarr ships. |

Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
127
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:26:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:Now -A- for example, propaganda or not, consistently says how much better they are, how much they will beat us, how hard they are going to kick our asses. Also, they try their hardest to call everyone else pets, when they unironically and objectively do have pets.
From that point on, we basically had no mercy. ... You should have seen DHD's smug when he had 4 fights in one day in 319, essentially drakespamming and dropping dreads on anyone that undocked. It takes a special kind of ****** ... to bring that kind of reaction out of a fun-loving alliance (not that he didn't have fun doing it).
So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust.
Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-(
'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*. |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:29:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust.
Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-(
'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*. You refused to undock to fight us while we took your sov |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:30:00 -
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Yeah, yeah, not actually in the SoCo on this alt. Whatever. |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:43:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:Long post So basically what you are saying is that if -A- didn't get involved in this then TEST would have never ever called for GSF help and would have accepted whatever defeat that might come? As if TEST had absolutely no interest in taking Delve and the surrounding regions by whatever means necessary? I will concede that -A- involvement was a real sweetener when convincing the GSF to get involved, but sooner or later they would get involved anyway. I won't get into a discussion about the merit of -A- involvement in this because my alliance's diplomat already hates me as it is. But don't expect people to believe that you only wanted goodfights and were only going to give as good as you got. You wanted to take everything the minute you saw the opportunity. Come to think of, everyone knows that. I have no idea why i am stating the obvious here. I must be more bored than i initiatlly thought =)
That's not what I implied at all. If -A- didn't come, we may have still wanted the region, but even calling all our friends would have produced a much smaller number of pilots than it did with -A- about.
And even if that was more than you could handle, you and nulli and friends would have put up a fight to be proud of, I just know it. |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
205
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:45:00 -
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Speaking of dumpster. Why hasn't this thread been moved to COAD already? |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:49:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:Now -A- for example, propaganda or not, consistently says how much better they are, how much they will beat us, how hard they are going to kick our asses. Also, they try their hardest to call everyone else pets, when they unironically and objectively do have pets.
From that point on, we basically had no mercy. ... You should have seen DHD's smug when he had 4 fights in one day in 319, essentially drakespamming and dropping dreads on anyone that undocked. It takes a special kind of ****** ... to bring that kind of reaction out of a fun-loving alliance (not that he didn't have fun doing it). So, back to what I said at the outset: someone said meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaan things about TEST, and their tender sensitive hearts just couldn't take that, and they cried and flailed around like angry toddlers, and then took a region in a manner so cowardly that the chief opposition to a long-time deployment of this strategy is going to be their own member's latent bloodlust. Well, gotta have someone like that in a game, but can you just be upfront about it? Be as pathetic as you are without laying all this bullshit on everyone about it. It would at least be nice if your own members understood what was going on, and wouldn't dumbly pout about never having to lose their shields in this war :-( 'Fun-loving alliance', *spit*.
You're really angry. Sorry about whatever we did.
Firstly, if we wanted to start a war because they called us gay, that would be fine. That's perfectly legitimate in eve, as far as wars can be legitimate. We have gone to war for less. We once deployed to NPC fountain to kill off a 400-man alliance just because we felt like it.
Secondly, we took the regions in a perfectly straightforward way, I am not sure what in eve can be considered cowardly other than not fighting. Please explain which part of winning a war in eve online is pathetic compared to not winning a war in eve online, thanks. |

Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
51
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Posted - 2012.07.13 23:49:00 -
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All this anaylsis of who and when and why is pointless now, isn't it?
We are where we are. We set objectives (more on this in a bit) and set about achieving them. None of us knew it would be this easy, and I imagine that none of you thought it would be so humiliating.
So, let's shift the analytical focus to the here and now, shall we?
-A- leadership initially thought they could stay docked (for whatever reason) and that we would eventually get bored and leave. That turned out to be wrong.
-A- leadership now seems to think that when their BS/support fleet gets welped in their home system the proper response is to reship and do it again, and again, two nights in a row. This strategy turns out to be wrong, again.
It seems to me that the REAL question now is how long the line pilots of -A- are going to stick it out. Some, obviously (by the fits seen in the latest BS kills) are running out of resources. I believe we are fast approaching the tipping point, where line pilots of the -A- corps finally and seriously question their alliance leadership and begin to 'jump ship'. This will start with a trickle and build to a torrent, moving on to involve whole corps, until the only thing left are some bitter, angry few. They will cease whining about the CFC and begin whining about their own traitors.
As I said above, our enemies have utterly failed to see the objective here.
The objective was always to crush -A-, and we are achieving that goal much faster than expected.
Will you, average -A- line pilot, be the last to leave, or will you see the reality and give up to live another day? |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1956
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:22:00 -
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Caroline Cosmos wrote:I think a nice war between TEST and Goonswarm would really spice these forums up.
Relevant. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:37:00 -
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You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1957
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:39:00 -
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Caroline Cosmos wrote:You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah.
It wasn't a strategic decision to "friend up" - we're more alike in terms of alliance culture and identity than any other alliances in EVE. We're natural friends, but its a lot like sibling friendship - lots of friendly mocking, competition, etc, but at the end of the day we will always have each other's backs no matter what. Also, you'd be *very surprised* how mature goons can be and how immature TEST can be. Our forums are polar opposites.
I think fleet warfare between our two alliances will certainly happen someday, and I guarantee we'll have more thunderdomes and goodfites between us. But as for actual warfare, trying to conquer each other's space and crush each other? I don't see that happening ever, to be honest. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:40:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Speaking of dumpster. Why hasn't this thread been moved to COAD already? Well originally, it was a non-involved thread by some hiseccers wondering what was going on who posted. Then after that question had been answered, some -A- alt sperged all over the thread.
It's apt really, CFC generally makes nice with hi-sec peeps (cause we don't care) until someone comes along who is particularly butthurt about how his side is losing, then it all goes to hell. Why did you take my wings away? |

Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:45:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Caroline Cosmos wrote:You have to admit, it would be pretty awesome. When I first saw you guys (TEST) in 2010 buzzing around Orvole/Osmoden/PF. I even thought at that time... wouldn't it be cool if a new Goonswarm started up and challenged the old Goonswarm?
But I think the Goons made a very prudent early decision to "friend up" with you guys as to avoid such a catastrophe.
Now, of course I don't follow politics enough to know all the ins and outs of how your friendships formed, but that was just kinda what I gathered at the time.
All in all, I always thought Dreddit was very similar to the Goons in structure, but quite different on an individual pilot level. The Dreddit guys I have encountered were always pretty civil and relatively mature.
Blah, blah, blah. It wasn't a strategic decision to "friend up" - we're more alike in terms of alliance culture and identity than any other alliances in EVE. We're natural friends, but its a lot like sibling friendship - lots of friendly mocking, competition, etc, but at the end of the day we will always have each other's backs no matter what. Also, you'd be *very surprised* how mature goons can be and how immature TEST can be. Our forums are polar opposites. I think fleet warfare between our two alliances will certainly happen someday, and I guarantee we'll have more thunderdomes and goodfites between us. But as for actual warfare, trying to conquer each other's space and crush each other? I don't see that happening ever, to be honest.
Roger that. Yeah it's never a good idea to lump everyone into the same category and make assumptions. I suppose, in general, the Goons I have come across just seem more apt to draw ascii (?) penises etc. in local. That kinda thing. The Dreddit folks seemed to me to have a bit of a higher level of decorum. But I'm sure it varies upon the individuals.
I still say it would be awesome to see your two alliances go at it :) |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
875
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Posted - 2012.07.14 04:53:00 -
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So the fight is over in Delve now?
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1837
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:01:00 -
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Confirming that Goon forums have significantly fewer **** posts than TEST forums.
Also confirming that not a single member of either alliance gives any kind of regard to anything that happens in General Discussion except when a genuine newb has a question, or the rare times when discussions aren't posturing and are actually like...people talking. Yes, it does happen. This avatar is as happy as Eve gets! -áSoooooo happy. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1180
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:04:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? Delve mostly. Now we're burning the space south and east of it.
I think some spunky chaps are holding onto their lone station system or something. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Katie Corb
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:08:00 -
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Confirming that the TEST forums are full of shitposting.
It's like... Reddit, or something. Reddit is terrible.
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Torneach
Apocalypse Exploration
271
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:50:00 -
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Gogela, you should be ashamed of yourself. Look at the mess you've started.  |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now? Delve mostly. Now we're burning the space south and east of it. I think some spunky chaps are holding onto their lone station system or something. Walltreipers (aka wallrippers, walltrippers, wallstrippers, and wallpapers). They've actually developed something of a cult following now! A lot of the regular members think we should let them keep their one system as a prize for such a dedicated defense, but I guess there are larger strategic issues in play at the moment.
Still, you've got to admire the cajones on their small squad of cap pilots to ninja shoot SBUs. That's some serious Chutzpah, and I'll be pretty disappointed if one of the better coalitions don't snap them up immediately. |

Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
79
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:12:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:I love how butthurt SoCo supporters always conviniently ignore their 800 man blobbing of 200 man TEST fleets pre-CFC intervention when crying about how unfair this war was. Maybe if they spent less time pissing each other off and more time actually fighting, this war would have had a different end. Or more likely, would still be on going. Hey bro, how does it feel to be a pet of a pet? At least I'm allowed to undock. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
876
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:25:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Gogela, you should be ashamed of yourself. Look at the mess you've started.  This
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:01:00 -
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Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them Cup the balls, and work the shaft |

Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:00:00 -
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Gogela wrote:So the fight is over in Delve now?
The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.
At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.
Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])
As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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